Re: cannot create partition entries for /dev/ad3

2003-10-09 Thread David Gilbert
Daniel == Daniel O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Daniel The only reason most people will ever touch /dev is to either Daniel make devices (hence no longer necessary with devfs), or change Daniel permissions. The later is more difficult with devfs, but IMHO Daniel the tradeoff is worthwhile.

Re: cannot create partition entries for /dev/ad3

2003-10-09 Thread Harti Brandt
On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, David Gilbert wrote: DG Daniel == Daniel O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DG DGDaniel The only reason most people will ever touch /dev is to either DGDaniel make devices (hence no longer necessary with devfs), or change DGDaniel permissions. The later is more difficult with

Re: cannot create partition entries for /dev/ad3

2003-10-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Gilbert writes: But filesystems also have persistence. In the trivial case, the persistence of the object (say ... a disk) preserved the filesystems node. But if I walk into /dev and change the permissions on a node, this persists only until the next reboot.

Re: cannot create partition entries for /dev/ad3

2003-10-08 Thread ecsd
Given that FreeBSD 5.1 is on the shelf in a box at CompUSA for sale to the general public, I think the proper thing to do is address the matter of documenting the revised operation of the devices in 5.X, rather than tell people to downgrade if they don't understand the behavior of their system,

Re: cannot create partition entries for /dev/ad3

2003-10-08 Thread Harti Brandt
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, ecsd wrote: eGiven that FreeBSD 5.1 is on the shelf in a box at CompUSA for sale to the egeneral public, I think the proper thing to do is address the matter of edocumenting the revised operation of the devices in 5.X, rather than tell epeople to downgrade if they don't

Re: cannot create partition entries for /dev/ad3

2003-10-08 Thread Derek Ragona
If you read the early adopters doc at: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.1R/early-adopter.html You will se it clearly says: MAKEDEV is no longer available, nor is it required. FreeBSD 5.X uses a device filesystem, which automatically creates device nodes on demand. For more information, please

Re: cannot create partition entries for /dev/ad3

2003-10-08 Thread ecsd
Derek Ragona wrote: If you read the early adopters doc at: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.1R/early-adopter.html You will se it clearly says: MAKEDEV is no longer available, nor is it required. FreeBSD 5.X uses a device filesystem, which automatically creates device nodes on demand. For

Re: cannot create partition entries for /dev/ad3

2003-10-08 Thread jon
Hiya I read that too. That appears to be just about all the information about the new devfs that there is, short of reading the source code. If you look in /usr/share/doc (or someplace like that) there's a document describing the rationale behind devfs and its implementation - it's geared

Re: cannot create partition entries for /dev/ad3

2003-10-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I read that too. That appears to be just about all the information about the new devfs that there is, short of reading the source code. You shouldn't need to do that. You can, more or less entirely forget about DEVFS unless you are a device driver writer. If you needed to run mknod(8)

cannot create partition entries for /dev/ad3

2003-10-07 Thread ecsd
with MAKEDEV gone, the mystery is how to use devfs. In /dev I have ad3, but I cannot disklabel -e /dev/ad3s1d, nor can I disklabel -e /dev/ad3, and I can't determine what minor device numbers to assign for mknod to create the partition entries. So how does one use devfs to do what MAKEDEV used to

Re: cannot create partition entries for /dev/ad3

2003-10-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], ecsd writes: with MAKEDEV gone, the mystery is how to use devfs. In /dev I have ad3, but I cannot disklabel -e /dev/ad3s1d, nor can I disklabel -e /dev/ad3, and I can't determine what minor device numbers to assign for mknod to create the partition entries. Try

Re: cannot create partition entries for /dev/ad3

2003-10-07 Thread ecsd
Poul-Henning Kamp writes: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], ecsd writes: with MAKEDEV gone, the mystery is how to use devfs. In /dev I have ad3, but I cannot disklabel -e /dev/ad3s1d, nor can I disklabel -e /dev/ad3, and I can't determine what minor device numbers to assign for mknod to create the

Re: cannot create partition entries for /dev/ad3

2003-10-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], ecsd writes: MAKEDEV was the cheese since year zero. [...] I suggest you stick with 4-stable until you have caught up with the changes and the documentation. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956

Re: cannot create partition entries for /dev/ad3

2003-10-07 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Tuesday 07 October 2003 18:01, ecsd wrote: I have a WintTV card that should be /dev/bktr0. I have tried using devfs to remedy this: host[157] # fxtv open(/dev/bktr0) failed: No such file or directory but I cannot see what to do, precisely and in order, to make the device exist. I think