make aout-to-elf on -current?

1999-04-16 Thread Warner Losh
Does make aout-to-elf still purport to work from a 2.2.8R system to a recent (like today's) current? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

Re: make aout-to-elf on -current?

1999-04-16 Thread Greg Lehey
On Friday, 16 April 1999 at 0:54:32 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: Does make aout-to-elf still purport to work from a 2.2.8R system to a recent (like today's) current? I spent a week trying to upgrade from 3.0-CURRENT of about August last year to 4.0-CURRENT of the beginning of April. I finally

Re: swap on Irix (overcommiting, etc.)

1999-04-16 Thread Ville-Pertti Keinonen
Matthew Dillon dil...@apollo.backplane.com writes: To be blunt, the 'total VM' used by a system can run into the gigabytes while the actual real memory + swap allocation is 1/10 of that... or Add another 1000% for stack autoextension... ;--) To Unsubscribe: send mail to

RE: swap on Irix (overcommiting, etc.)

1999-04-16 Thread Ladavac Marino
-Original Message- From: Matthew Dillon [SMTP:dil...@apollo.backplane.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 9:38 PM To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: curr...@freebsd.org Subject: Re: swap on Irix (overcommiting, etc.) If some of you are wondering why some of us are saying this

Re: newconfig/new-bus

1999-04-16 Thread UCHIYAMA Yasushi
| shouldn't be too hard though, but even then there are seriously non-trivial | differences in the tty, block/character devices, VM, networking, etc. Even | if the config interface was compatable it wouldn't ever be a 'drop in' | option, even with 'newconfig'. In strongly system-dependent

Re: newconfig/new-bus

1999-04-16 Thread Doug Rabson
On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, UCHIYAMA Yasushi wrote: | shouldn't be too hard though, but even then there are seriously non-trivial | differences in the tty, block/character devices, VM, networking, etc. Even | if the config interface was compatable it wouldn't ever be a 'drop in' | option, even

Re: Re[2]: ftp hangs on -current

1999-04-16 Thread Brian Somers
[.] Let's continue this thread in capital letters. We might attract some attention! ;-) I CAN'T FTP OUT FROM MY -CURRENT SYSTEM. I CAN FTP IN. SOMETHING IS PROBABLY WRONG. I CAN LIST DIRECTORIES, USUALLY. 'GET' COMMANDS HANG. I AM RUNNING -CURRENT FROM MORNING APR 13.

Re: Re[2]: ftp hangs on -current

1999-04-16 Thread Ilya Naumov
ÐÔ , 16 ÁÐÒ 1999, Brian Somers ÎÁÐÉÓÁÌ: I CAN'T FTP OUT FROM MY -CURRENT SYSTEM. I CAN FTP IN. SOMETHING IS PROBABLY WRONG. I CAN LIST DIRECTORIES, USUALLY. 'GET' COMMANDS HANG. I AM RUNNING -CURRENT FROM MORNING APR 13. Generally, if you don't get a response, it usually indicates

Re: swap-related problems

1999-04-16 Thread Snob Art Genre
On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Don Lewis wrote: SunOS 4 doesn't do memory overcommit. I get the impression from Vahalia's _UNIX Internals_ that this is true of SunOS 5 as well. This could be shaved down a bit if SunOS didn't require (swap total VM) instead of (swap + RAM total VM). Again, from my

Re: swap-related problems

1999-04-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message pine.gso.4.10.9904160842580.12675-100...@echonyc.com, Snob Art Gen re writes: On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Don Lewis wrote: SunOS 4 doesn't do memory overcommit. I get the impression from Vahalia's _UNIX Internals_ that this is true of SunOS 5 as well. I know from experience that solaris

some news about ftp hangs

1999-04-16 Thread Ilya Naumov
trying different configurations i have encountered the following 1. ftp in passive mode (pftp or ftp with -p options) DOES NOT hang; 2. ncftp3 from ports DOES NOT hang; 3. netscape communicator 4 DOES NOT hang. so it seems that the problem is in native FreeBSD's ftp or a library (libedit.so.2,

Re: swap on Irix (overcommiting, etc.)

1999-04-16 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Mikhail Teterin m...@misha.cisco.com writes: Sorry. I'm just repeating what Ladavac Marino wrote in 55586e7391acd211b973c1100276179...@r-lmh-wi-100.corpnet.at: LM: Please note that memory overcommit architectures are a LM: rather common optimization; FreeBSD is one of them.

Re: swap on Irix (overcommiting, etc.)

1999-04-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message rd6btgozp8q@world.std.com, Lowell Gilbert writes: Mikhail Teterin m...@misha.cisco.com writes: Sorry. I'm just repeating what Ladavac Marino wrote in 55586e7391acd211b973c1100276179...@r-lmh-wi-100.corpnet.at: LM: Please note that memory overcommit architectures are a

Re: some news about ftp hangs

1999-04-16 Thread Julian Elischer
or you've got a firewall that doesn't allow active FTP :-) On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, Ilya Naumov wrote: trying different configurations i have encountered the following 1. ftp in passive mode (pftp or ftp with -p options) DOES NOT hang; 2. ncftp3 from ports DOES NOT hang; 3. netscape

Re: some news about ftp hangs

1999-04-16 Thread Luoqi Chen
trying different configurations i have encountered the following 1. ftp in passive mode (pftp or ftp with -p options) DOES NOT hang; 2. ncftp3 from ports DOES NOT hang; 3. netscape communicator 4 DOES NOT hang. so it seems that the problem is in native FreeBSD's ftp or a library

Re: some news about ftp hangs

1999-04-16 Thread Bret Ford
trying different configurations i have encountered the following 1. ftp in passive mode (pftp or ftp with -p options) DOES NOT hang; 2. ncftp3 from ports DOES NOT hang; 3. netscape communicator 4 DOES NOT hang. so it seems that the problem is in native FreeBSD's ftp or a library

Re: some news about ftp hangs

1999-04-16 Thread Bret Ford
My firewall is set with the open rule only---and I'm still getting the behavior described below. Bret Ford or you've got a firewall that doesn't allow active FTP :-) On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, Ilya Naumov wrote: trying different configurations i have encountered the following 1.

Re: Re[2]: ftp hangs on -current

1999-04-16 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:18:08 MST, Bret Ford wrote: Let's continue this thread in capital letters. We might attract some attention! ;-) Well done, you've attracted attention. I'm sitting here thinking you're a moron. I can ftp in and out of my machine without problems using a current

Re: Re[2]: ftp hangs on -current

1999-04-16 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi Bret, I apologise for the outburst. I suppose the fact that I can't see a problem on my box doesn't mean that no problem exists, and my tone was uncalled for. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

rexec documentation/compatibility question

1999-04-16 Thread Garrett Wollman
On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:55:10 -0400 (EDT), John W. DeBoskey j...@unx.sas.com said: DESCRIPTION This interface is obsoleted by rcmd(3). It is available from the compat- ibility library, libcompat. However, I don't see how rcmd() can be used to replace rexec() since rcmd() is a

Re: some news about ftp hangs

1999-04-16 Thread Brian Somers
trying different configurations i have encountered the following 1. ftp in passive mode (pftp or ftp with -p options) DOES NOT hang; 2. ncftp3 from ports DOES NOT hang; 3. netscape communicator 4 DOES NOT hang. so it seems that the problem is in native FreeBSD's ftp or a library

Re: some news about ftp hangs

1999-04-16 Thread Luoqi Chen
Here's async log output from alias enabled ppp, while ftp was retransmitting the PORT command packet: Async: 7e 3d c0 00 00 9d 21 45 00 00 38 13 42 00 00 ff ^^ Async: 01 e3 a7 cf ca 49 aa d0 17 db 4e 03 03 a2 f8 00 ^^

Re: some news about ftp hangs

1999-04-16 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Luoqi Chen wrote: Sorry, this is a legitimate ICMP packet: port unreacheable. It looks like the ftp server (ftp.freebsd.org) was making an UDP query to DNS port on the client (which happens to have a named server running, but that's just for the internal network, external ip address is

Re: some news about ftp hangs

1999-04-16 Thread Brian Somers
Luoqi Chen wrote: Sorry, this is a legitimate ICMP packet: port unreacheable. It looks like the ftp server (ftp.freebsd.org) was making an UDP query to DNS port on the client (which happens to have a named server running, but that's just for the internal network, external ip address is

Re: make aout-to-elf on -current?

1999-04-16 Thread Warner Losh
In message 19990416164237.n27...@lemis.com Greg Lehey writes: : I spent a week trying to upgrade from 3.0-CURRENT of about August last : year to 4.0-CURRENT of the beginning of April. I finally gave up : going the direct way and upgraded first to 3.1-STABLE and from there : to 4.0-CURRENT. I

NFS patch #3 avail ( but wait till the weekend if you can ) files)

1999-04-16 Thread Matthew Dillon
NFS patch #3 ( for -current ) is now available. Again, I recommend waiting until the weekend before seriously trying any of these patches and not running them on any machine for which the loss of data would be a problem. http://www.backplane.com/FreeBSD4/ The current

Re: some news about ftp hangs

1999-04-16 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Brian Somers wrote: Now I think I'm confused ;-} I haven't seen any changes to ftp I did the double lookup bit to all the stuff in libexec (including ftpd), but that shouldn't effect what's going on here. If the external NS record for Louqi's machine isn't supposed to be on that

/etc/rc.conf or /etc/rc.conf.local

1999-04-16 Thread Thomas Dean
I see the latest /etc/defaults/rc.conf will include either or both of /etc/rc.conf or /etc/rc.conf.local. I only want to have one. Which is going to stay with us the longest? tomdean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

HEADS UP!!!! Important instructions for -current users!

1999-04-16 Thread Peter Wemm
As of a few minutes ago, a minimal set of changes to bring the so-called 'new-bus' functionality to the i386 kernel in -current. This is a complete, from the ground up, change in the way the system boots and configures. For the most part, we've gone to a lot of trouble to make it work the way it

Updating ports after change to egcs

1999-04-16 Thread Thomas Dean
I am running 4.0-current of April 12. 1999. I just finished updating my ports after the change to egcs-2.91.66. I know they were OK as they were, but, I wanted to eliminate all the gcc compiled things. And, this was a good time. I had to fix a couple of applications with bad code. Everything

Re: /etc/rc.conf or /etc/rc.conf.local

1999-04-16 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Thomas Dean wrote: I see the latest /etc/defaults/rc.conf will include either or both of /etc/rc.conf or /etc/rc.conf.local. I only want to have one. Which is going to stay with us the longest? /etc/rc.conf, though rc.conf.local is not likely to go away. The former is the do your stuff

Consistent errors making buildworld

1999-04-16 Thread Joe Abley
Hi, I've been trying to make buildworld on an aged Compaq DX2 (using newly- supped CURRENT source) for about a week now, and (modulo the few egcs-looking failures early on) I am now stuck with compilation failures in doscmd. I have completely removed /usr/obj/* prior to starting, each time, and

cable modem

1999-04-16 Thread s1ayer
Hi, I was wondering. Does the new version of freeBSD support my SMC-Ultra EtherEZ cable modem? If it does, I will throw away Linux and convert. Thanks in advance To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

lnc0: broke for us between 3.1 and 4.0?

1999-04-16 Thread Robert Watson
We upgraded a crash machine from 3.1-RELEASE to 4.0-CURRENT from just before the EGCS switch was pulled. The machine is a Pentium 166 MMX overdrive. Prior to the upgrade, it correctly probed the Kensington KNE 2100 (something like that) with the lnc driver as being at 0x300 irq 5 drq 6. The

Re: HEADS UP!!!! Important instructions for -current users!

1999-04-16 Thread Chris Csanady
As of a few minutes ago, a minimal set of changes to bring the so-called 'new-bus' functionality to the i386 kernel in -current. This seems to have broken disk wiring for me. Is there some necessary change in syntax that I am not aware of? I have the following scsi related stuff in my config

Re: cvsup

1999-04-16 Thread Olaf Wagner
In article xfmail.990413162255@polstra.com you wrote: Daniel Eischen wrote: John Polstra wrote: My hunch is that it's not a fairness issue. It's just the fact that when you block in disk I/O, the whole process (all threads) blocks. That statement made me think that Modula-3 had it's

Re: HEADS UP!!!! Important instructions for -current users!

1999-04-16 Thread Peter Wemm
Chris Csanady wrote: As of a few minutes ago, a minimal set of changes to bring the so-called 'new-bus' functionality to the i386 kernel in -current. This seems to have broken disk wiring for me. Is there some necessary change in syntax that I am not aware of? I have the following scsi

Re: Consistent errors making buildworld

1999-04-16 Thread Luoqi Chen
Do you have an empty /usr/X11R6/include? The Makefile assumes you have the header files if the directory /usr/X11R6/include is present and tries to build the X version of doscmd. This assumption may not be true though. I'll change the Makefile to check for /usr/X11R6/include/X11/X.h instead. By

Re: cable modem

1999-04-16 Thread Alfred Perlstein
-current in the body of the message Why not just download a kern.flp and mfsroot.flp from : ftp://current.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/ /3.1-19990416-STABLE/floppies/ 'dd' (in linux) them to a disk or use: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/tools/fdimage.exe in windows to make the boot

Re: some news about ftp hangs

1999-04-16 Thread Adrian Wontroba
On Fri, Apr 16, 1999 at 12:46:34PM -0400, Luoqi Chen wrote: By the way, if I turn off aliasing (set alias enable off), ftp works fine again. With a week old current cvsupped at approx 0500 GMT on 11 April I see similar behaviour - ftp seems fine with aliasing off, but often hangs with aliasing

Re: HEADS UP!!!! Important instructions for -current users!

1999-04-16 Thread David O'Brien
device da0 ..snip.. diskda0 at scbus2 target 0 Err, perhaps it's because you've defined da0 twice? Is this a change? For pre-POST_NEWBUS When wireing down SCSI disks, the config file has both a da0 device (to get the generic SCSI disk code) and disk (to wire it down).

Re: make aout-to-elf on -current?

1999-04-16 Thread David O'Brien
On Fri, Apr 16, 1999 at 04:42:37PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: On Friday, 16 April 1999 at 0:54:32 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: Does make aout-to-elf still purport to work from a 2.2.8R system to a recent (like today's) current? I spent a week trying to upgrade from 3.0-CURRENT of about August

Re: make aout-to-elf on -current?

1999-04-16 Thread David O'Brien
Does make aout-to-elf still purport to work from a 2.2.8R system to a recent (like today's) current? After reading the UPDATING file, I realized just how silly a question this was :-). a.out make world is broken in -current with egcs. Please excuse my ignorance, but why does make

Wiring down disks under newbus (was: HEADS UP!!!! Important instructions for -current users!)

1999-04-16 Thread Greg Lehey
On Friday, 16 April 1999 at 20:06:08 -0700, David O'Brien wrote: device da0 ..snip.. diskda0 at scbus2 target 0 Err, perhaps it's because you've defined da0 twice? Is this a change? For pre-POST_NEWBUS When wireing down SCSI disks, the config file has both a da0

Re: make aout-to-elf on -current?

1999-04-16 Thread Warner Losh
In message 19990416202430.c70...@nuxi.com David O'Brien writes: : Please excuse my ignorance, but why does make aout-to-elf require the : -CURRENT compiler to produce a.out binaries? : : make aout-to-elf moves a working set of a.out libraries to ---/lib/aout, : so doesn't that cover the needs?

Re: Wiring down disks under newbus (was: HEADS UP!!!! Important instructions for -current users!)

1999-04-16 Thread David O'Brien
It doesn't have to. I have only one reference in my config: device da0 at scbus1 target 0 unit 0 I commented out my device da0 and changed all my disk's (16 of them across two controlers) to devices's and I was able to config and build a kernel. So the distinction between

new-bus breaks both sound drivers

1999-04-16 Thread Brian Feldman
Both sound drivers are broken with the new-bus code. My SB16, in the old driver, now gets recognized but sbxvi is never looked for. pcm0, the new driver, never initializes with the new code :( device pcm0 at isa? port? tty irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x16 #controller snd0 #device sb0 at isa?

Re: make aout-to-elf on -current?

1999-04-16 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Warner Losh wrote: In message 19990416202430.c70...@nuxi.com David O'Brien writes: : Please excuse my ignorance, but why does make aout-to-elf require the : -CURRENT compiler to produce a.out binaries? : : make aout-to-elf moves a working set of a.out libraries to ---/lib/aout, : so

RE: new-bus breaks both sound drivers

1999-04-16 Thread Chris Piazza
On 17-Apr-99 Brian Feldman wrote: Both sound drivers are broken with the new-bus code. My SB16, in the old driver, now gets recognized but sbxvi is never looked for. pcm0, the new driver, never initializes with the new code :( device pcm0 at isa? port? tty irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x16 The pcm0

Re: make aout-to-elf on -current?

1999-04-16 Thread David O'Brien
No. make aout-to-elf builds a.out versions of everything first, then uses them to build the elf versions. Correct. Older compilers would not be able to generate elf targets, so we have to update the compiler first. Right. But the 2.x system should build the compiler (and bootstrap

Re: lnc0: broke for us between 3.1 and 4.0?

1999-04-16 Thread Max Khon
hi, there! On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, Robert Watson wrote: We upgraded a crash machine from 3.1-RELEASE to 4.0-CURRENT from just before the EGCS switch was pulled. The machine is a Pentium 166 MMX overdrive. Prior to the upgrade, it correctly probed the Kensington KNE 2100 (something like that)