* Greg Miller greglmil...@gmail.com, 20111008 22:47:
I've never gotten around to reporting this until this thread came up,
but I've found that GNU Emacs has tons of problems with text
disappearing on the console. Just moving the cursor to the start of a
long line and holding down the
On 10/7/11, Ed Schouten e...@80386.nl wrote:
Well, apart from small bugs here and there, it should be pretty
conformant already, especially when compared to various graphical
terminal emulators (e.g. GNOME terminal). For example, it passes quite a
large number of tests from vttest.
I've never
* Brett Glass br...@lariat.net, 20110926 02:52:
1) The jove editor worked strangely because, in /etc/ttys, the
terminal type was set to xterm instead of cons25 by default. (I
do not run a GUI on servers, so of course there will not be an
xterm.) As a result, parts of lines kept vanishing from
* Ed Schouten e...@80386.nl, 20111007 13:02:
It should be xterm, since syscons now uses an xterm-style terminal
emulator. I have never used jove before, so what should I do to
reproduce this?
After some tinkering, I think I know why it breaks. I thought that
when xterm processes a tab, it
Hi Brett,
* Brett Glass br...@lariat.net, 20111007 15:18:
Among other things, you'll see portions of lines vanish from the
screen while you're editing, until you hit ^L (the EMACS command to
refresh the screen) a couple of times.
Yeah, that should be fixed now. I just ran `jove /etc/ttys',
Hi Brett,
* Brett Glass br...@lariat.net, 20111007 15:40:
The patch is an improvement. Not assuming that tabs blank the underlying
cells is definitely a help. But it does not fix all of the artifacts.
Just let me know what's broken specifically. So what keys to press when
I start jove to
At 05:02 AM 10/7/2011, Ed Schouten wrote:
It should be xterm, since syscons now uses an xterm-style terminal
emulator.
Interesting. Apparently, the xterm termcap does not work properly for it.
I have never used jove before, so what should I do to
reproduce this?
Have you ever used EMACS?
Ed:
The patch is an improvement. Not assuming that tabs blank the underlying
cells is definitely a help. But it does not fix all of the artifacts.
It might be a good idea to review the xterm termcap entry, capability
by capability, to make sure that syscons conforms to each one. As the
author
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 07:48:23PM -0400, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
My recollection is that this is because kensmith forgot to take
'makeoptions DEBUG=-g' out of GENERIC when branching stable/8, and no one
noticed until a couple of releases in, at which point it seemed consistent
with POLA to
Hi,
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:46 PM, David O'Brien obr...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 07:48:23PM -0400, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
My recollection is that this is because kensmith forgot to take
'makeoptions DEBUG=-g' out of GENERIC when branching stable/8, and no one
noticed until a
From Brett Glass br...@lariat.net:
Unfortunately, due to past history, /usr is mixed-use. It normally
contains both configuration information -- e.g. /usr/local/etc --
and more volatile data such as users' home directories. This
prevents /usr/local/etc, which also contains mission-critical
Am 27.09.2011 um 10:48 schrieb Thomas Mueller:
From Brett Glass br...@lariat.net:
Unfortunately, due to past history, /usr is mixed-use. It normally
contains both configuration information -- e.g. /usr/local/etc --
and more volatile data such as users' home directories. This
prevents
Holger Kipp holger.k...@alogis.com writes:
Am 27.09.2011 um 10:48 schrieb Thomas Mueller:
From Brett Glass br...@lariat.net:
Unfortunately, due to past history, /usr is mixed-use. It normally
contains both configuration information -- e.g. /usr/local/etc --
and more volatile data such as
On 2011-Sep-26 19:48:23 -0400, Benjamin Kaduk ka...@mit.edu wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
The problem with /boot on a dedicated partition is the the kernel,
since at least 8.x, is installed by default with a vast majority of
crap. That's all the .symbols, that 99% of FreeBSD
On 2011-Sep-26 21:29:18 -0700, Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote:
MBR allows 4 slices (which Windows and most of the world call
partitions). Windows also
allows the creation of Extended Partitions, but FreeBSD does not
support these. They result
in device named with an 's' for slice. E.g.
On 09/27/2011 14:24, Peter Jeremy wrote:
On 2011-Sep-26 21:29:18 -0700, Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote:
MBR allows 4 slices (which Windows and most of the world call
partitions). Windows also
allows the creation of Extended Partitions, but FreeBSD does not
support these. They result
Hi,
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Peter Jeremy peterjer...@acm.org wrote:
On 2011-Sep-26 19:48:23 -0400, Benjamin Kaduk ka...@mit.edu wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
The problem with /boot on a dedicated partition is the the kernel,
since at least 8.x, is installed by
On Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:52:37 pm Brett Glass wrote:
First thing I noticed, when running the new FreeBSD installer from
a memory stick image, is that disk partitioning was odd. It
abandoned standard UNIX parlance, calling what are traditionally
called slices partitions. It also
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, John Baldwin wrote:
On Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:52:37 pm Brett Glass wrote:
First thing I noticed, when running the new FreeBSD installer from
a memory stick image, is that disk partitioning was odd. It
abandoned standard UNIX parlance, calling what are traditionally
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Adrian Chadd wrote:
I agree, the lack of a virtual/emergency terminal seems a bit silly.
I'm not sure about the cons25 versus xterm stuff - you're not the
first person to report this. Guys/girls/other (Hi SF!) - why is this?
:)
It shouldn't be that hard to submit a patch
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Benjamin Kaduk ka...@mit.edu wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, John Baldwin wrote:
On Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:52:37 pm Brett Glass wrote:
First thing I noticed, when running the new FreeBSD installer from
a memory stick image, is that disk partitioning
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Benjamin Kaduk ka...@mit.edu wrote:
The question of how to layout and split filesystems was discussed at the
filesystems working group of the devsummit at BSDCan this may.
At 12:03 PM 9/26/2011, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, John Baldwin wrote:
I can't speak to the one-big-fs bit (there was another thread
long ago about
that). However, as to the partitioning bit, bsdinstall is
defaulting to using
The question of how to layout and split
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Brett Glass br...@lariat.net wrote:
At 12:03 PM 9/26/2011, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, John Baldwin wrote:
I can't speak to the one-big-fs bit (there was another thread long ago
about
that). However, as to the partitioning bit,
Hi,
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Arnaud Lacombe lacom...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
2) I saw many warnings of lock order reversals under the GENERIC kernel, in
particular in the file system code. These obviously should be fixed before
release.
Where did you report them ? [btw, they might
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Brett Glass wrote:
At 12:03 PM 9/26/2011, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, John Baldwin wrote:
I can't speak to the one-big-fs bit (there was another thread long ago
about
that). However, as to the partitioning bit, bsdinstall is defaulting to
using
The
On 09/26/2011 15:38, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
This perception that ZFS is most of the future probably contributed to
the lack of strong opinions regarding the default UFS partition scheme.
Can we please stop saying that there were no contrary opinions stated? I
personally expressed a preference
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Doug Barton wrote:
On 09/26/2011 15:38, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
This perception that ZFS is most of the future probably contributed to
the lack of strong opinions regarding the default UFS partition scheme.
Can we please stop saying that there were no contrary opinions
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Brett Glass br...@lariat.net wrote:
My personal preference would be to place portions of the directory tree
which contain critical configuration information and are not written in
normal use -- e.g. /etc and
.. I do FreeBSD installs on 1GB flash disks. You know, so I don't have
to nuke the windows install. Just so I can test out things. :)
If people would like to see a more detailed partition editor, please
supply patches to bsdinstall to do so. :-)
I'd love to have multiple options - use all for one
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
.. I do FreeBSD installs on 1GB flash disks. You know, so I don't have
to nuke the windows install. Just so I can test out things. :)
If people would like to see a more detailed partition editor, please
supply patches to
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Benjamin Kaduk ka...@mit.edu wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Brett Glass br...@lariat.net wrote:
My personal preference would be to place portions of the directory tree
which contain critical
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
.. I do FreeBSD installs on 1GB flash disks. You know, so I don't have
to nuke the windows install. Just so I can test out things. :)
If people would like to see a more detailed partition editor, please
supply
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Arnaud Lacombe lacom...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Benjamin Kaduk ka...@mit.edu wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Brett Glass br...@lariat.net wrote:
My personal preference
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
Hi,
The storage world is not limited to spinning hardware. Take a 512MB
CF, put it in a soekris box, and you got an embedded system capable of
doing a whole bunch of stuff.
Now, FreeBSD may no longer want to target such niche usage.
Sure we do!
I just filed a bunch of PRs to make sure these comments don't get (too)
lost: 16104{6,7,8,9} and 161050.
-Ben Kaduk
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Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Benjamin Kaduk ka...@mit.edu wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
[...]
Then why don't you provide symbols for the whole system, including
binaries and libraries ? At least be consistent in your argument...
And, yes, I have patches for that.
At 04:38 PM 9/26/2011, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
There was also general sentiment that the rise of ZFS would allow
just this sort of fine-grained partitioning, which is a huge
advantage of its ability to create datasets on the fly. This
perception that ZFS is most of the future probably
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 09:11:12PM -0400, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
.. I do FreeBSD installs on 1GB flash disks. You know, so I don't have
to nuke the windows install. Just so I can test out things. :)
If people
.. I'm allowed to make mistakes you know. The point was, 7+1
partitions isn't a lot. :)
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Gary Palmer wrote:
BSD disklabel is limited to a maximum of 8 slices per MBR partition.
Careful. disklabel/bsdlabel creates FreeBSD partitions, up to 8 per
MBR partition (FreeBSD slice).
Instead of three different things that share two names, GPT only has
partitions.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
.. I'm allowed to make mistakes you know. The point was, 7+1
partitions isn't a lot. :)
Just in case someone new is reading this and getting confused. I
believe those taking part
mostly understand this as well as or better
All:
Just spent an afternoon and evening experimenting with FreeBSD
9.0-BETA2. Overall reaction: so far, it's been pretty stable and
responsive, but I'm concerned that it may have substantially
increased memory and CPU requirements relative to previous
versions. The new installer, while it's
Hi,
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Brett Glass br...@lariat.net wrote:
Next thing I did was try to recompile the kernel to streamline it and add
features I want compiled in, such as ipfw and dummynet. Alas, I saw no sign
of the BSD-licensed Clang compiler, for which I've waited for many
I agree, the lack of a virtual/emergency terminal seems a bit silly.
I'm not sure about the cons25 versus xterm stuff - you're not the
first person to report this. Guys/girls/other (Hi SF!) - why is this?
:)
It shouldn't be that hard to submit a patch to enable those extra vtys?
Adrian
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