Re: Head build unsafe for /etc today

2017-11-04 Thread Cy Schubert
In message <201711041723.va4hnanj001...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net>, "Rodney W. Gri mes" writes: > > On 11/2/2017 8:58 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > FreeBSD has grown too big to test every possible thing before you commit. > > I would say that it has always been too big to test every possible > thing

Re: Head build unsafe for /etc today

2017-11-04 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
> On 11/2/2017 8:58 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > FreeBSD has grown too big to test every possible thing before you commit. I would say that it has always been too big to test every possible thing before a commit. Breakage is just going to happen, we make great efforts to minimize it, but like all

Re: Head build unsafe for /etc today

2017-11-04 Thread Pete Wright
On 11/03/2017 13:14, Bryan Drewery wrote: On 11/2/2017 8:58 PM, Warner Losh wrote: FreeBSD has grown too big to test every possible thing before you commit. The build itself is massive. I usually forget about release/ and the new 'make packages', external toolchain, "old style" kernel

Re: Head build unsafe for /etc today

2017-11-03 Thread Bryan Drewery
On 11/2/2017 8:58 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > FreeBSD has grown too big to test every possible thing before you commit. The build itself is massive. I usually forget about release/ and the new 'make packages', external toolchain, "old style" kernel builds, etc. Steve's concerns have validity. I

Re: Head build unsafe for /etc today

2017-11-02 Thread Mark Millard
On 2017-Nov-2, at 8:50 PM, Steve Kargl wrote: > On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 07:41:21PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote: >> >> Are you accusing me of lying? >> > > Nope. I'm stating the obvious. If you are using > META_MODE and you do "make buildwould" that is >

Re: Head build unsafe for /etc today

2017-11-02 Thread Warner Losh
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Steve Kargl < s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 07:41:21PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote: > > > > Are you accusing me of lying? > > > > Nope. I'm stating the obvious. If you are using > META_MODE and you do "make buildwould" that is

Re: Head build unsafe for /etc today

2017-11-02 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 07:41:21PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote: > > Are you accusing me of lying? > Nope. I'm stating the obvious. If you are using META_MODE and you do "make buildwould" that is equivalent to "make -DNO_CLEAN buildworld", which means you did not rebuild the *world*. When I

Re: Head build unsafe for /etc today

2017-11-02 Thread Bryan Drewery
On 11/2/2017 7:46 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Bryan Drewery > wrote: > > > > > On Nov 2, 2017, at 19:23, Steve Kargl >

Re: Head build unsafe for /etc today

2017-11-02 Thread Warner Losh
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Bryan Drewery wrote: > > > > On Nov 2, 2017, at 19:23, Steve Kargl > wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 07:08:50PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote: > >> > >> > On Nov 2, 2017, at 18:49, Steve Kargl

Re: Head build unsafe for /etc today

2017-11-02 Thread Bryan Drewery
> On Nov 2, 2017, at 19:36, Glen Barber wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 07:23:27PM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 07:08:50PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote: On Nov 2, 2017, at 18:49, Steve Kargl wrote:

Re: Head build unsafe for /etc today

2017-11-02 Thread Bryan Drewery
> On Nov 2, 2017, at 19:23, Steve Kargl > wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 07:08:50PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote: >> >> On Nov 2, 2017, at 18:49, Steve Kargl wrote: On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at

Re: Head build unsafe for /etc today

2017-11-02 Thread Glen Barber
On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 07:23:27PM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 07:08:50PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote: > > > On Nov 2, 2017, at 18:49, Steve Kargl > > > wrote: > > > You're making changes to the build infrastructure and you're > > > not

Re: Head build unsafe for /etc today

2017-11-02 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 07:08:50PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote: > > > > On Nov 2, 2017, at 18:49, Steve Kargl > > wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 06:25:24PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote: > >> > >> On Nov 2, 2017, at 15:44, Mark Millard

Re: Head build unsafe for /etc today

2017-11-02 Thread Bryan Drewery
> On Nov 2, 2017, at 18:49, Steve Kargl > wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 06:25:24PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote: >> >> On Nov 2, 2017, at 15:44, Mark Millard wrote: >> Author: bdrewery Date: Thu Nov 2 22:23:00 2017

Re: Head build unsafe for /etc today

2017-11-02 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 06:25:24PM -0700, Bryan Drewery wrote: > > On Nov 2, 2017, at 15:44, Mark Millard wrote: > > >> Author: bdrewery > >> Date: Thu Nov 2 22:23:00 2017 > >> New Revision: 325347 > >> URL: > >> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/325347 > >> > >>

Head build unsafe for /etc today

2017-11-02 Thread Bryan Drewery
On Nov 2, 2017, at 15:44, Mark Millard wrote: >> Author: bdrewery >> Date: Thu Nov 2 22:23:00 2017 >> New Revision: 325347 >> URL: >> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/325347 >> >> >> Log: >> Something is very wrong Unfortunately I only test with META_MODE