Re: Netiquette (Was: Re: FreeBSD's aggressive keyboard probe/attach)

2001-08-13 Thread Terry Lambert

Gordon Tetlow wrote:
> This is such a great example of how tone can come across poorly in a text
> medium. I doubt (hope) that Joe didn't mean to come across as that. But
> tone in email is so often inferred based on the readers own moods, that
> phrasing email becomes much more important so as to not give the reader
> the wrong impression.
> 
> This should be required reading for anyone considering posting to a
> FreeBSD mailing list.

My personal suggestion: it's nice to "be nice", but it's better
to be as nice as you can, and grow a thick skin.

This isn't me being facetious: many of the people involved
in FreeBSD are not coming to it as native speakers of English,
and most of the discussions on these lists are in English.  If
you insist on taking offense at every opportunity, or even at
half of them, then you will find yourself not getting along
very well.

-- Terry

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Netiquette (Was: Re: FreeBSD's aggressive keyboard probe/attach)

2001-08-12 Thread Gordon Tetlow

On Sun, 12 Aug 2001, Warner Losh wrote:

> A word about tone.  If you were to get as in my face about, say,
> pccard, as you about the psm driver, I'd certainly be ill inclined to
> provide you with what you want.
>
> Good Tone:
>   Say Warner, why do you bother turning off the power after
>   you suspend a socket.  Shouldn't the power routines take care
>   of that?  Is there something subtle that's going on?  Maybe a
>   comment is in order?
>
> Bad Tone:
>   Please explain the pros and cons for turning the power off
>   after suspending a socket.  I really want to know.  Why did
>   they do this?  Didn't the coder trust the power routines?  The
>   least he could have done was include a comment.  Was there
>   some long discussion that I missed?
>
> See the difference?  The first tone is friendly, suggesting that
> something in the code might be unclear.  The second seems to imply
> that I'm a moron for not documenting every trivial solution with a 20
> page thesis on why it is good or bad to do.

This is such a great example of how tone can come across poorly in a text
medium. I doubt (hope) that Joe didn't mean to come across as that. But
tone in email is so often inferred based on the readers own moods, that
phrasing email becomes much more important so as to not give the reader
the wrong impression.

This should be required reading for anyone considering posting to a
FreeBSD mailing list.

-gordon


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