Re: *HEADS UP!* This means you!

2001-12-10 Thread Mark Murray

> I for one will miss it.  I used libexec/telnetd extensively during ia64
> bootstrap (and still use it) before we had the crypto stuff going.  This
> was all built by hand, 'make world' still isn't an option there.  I also
> use usr.bin/telnet on other systems where SRA is constantly getting in 
> my face and annoying the !^@#%!@^#!# out of me.

All that will happen, is that the "usual" sources will be gone, and
a .PATH: will point to effectively the same code (with some crypto
in it, wrapped in #ifdefs that won't apply, like ENCRYPTION and
AUTHENTICATION). The code this actually compiled will not change
_at_all_.

There will be no SRA unless you install secure/ telnet.

M
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Re: *HEADS UP!* This means you!

2001-12-09 Thread Doug Ambrisko

Peter Wemm writes:
| I for one will miss it.  I used libexec/telnetd extensively during ia64
| bootstrap (and still use it) before we had the crypto stuff going.  This
| was all built by hand, 'make world' still isn't an option there.  I also
| use usr.bin/telnet on other systems where SRA is constantly getting in 
| my face and annoying the !^@#%!@^#!# out of me.

Well, for the SRA thing you can do a "-X SRA" now that it doesn't 
core-dump if you do that (I submited that patch a year ago or so
since it was pretty annoying!).  I setup my telnetd servers with 
"-X SRA" so that I don't have to do it via command line.

Doug A.

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Re: *HEADS UP!* This means you!

2001-12-09 Thread Daniel Eischen

On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, Peter Wemm wrote:
> Mark Murray wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> > Now that I have your attention, please listen up, this may have some
> > far-reaching consequences.
> > 
> > We currently have 2 telnet sources in the src/ tree; src/crypto/telnet
> > and the "base" telnet spread around in (src/*/*telnet*/).
> > 
> > The "base" telnet is a complete subset of src/crypto telnet, and as
> > a consequence of this, I want to remove the base telnet bits from
> > the src/ tree. (Just the source, not the build infrastructure).
> > 
> > This will be accomplished by removing the "base" sources, and building
> > telnet without defining the AUTHENTICATION and ENCRYPTION macros. These
> > macros are currently used with unifdef to make (by hand) the "base"
> > telnet stuff).
> > 
> > I'm not sure when I'll make the commit, but it will be soonish, with
> > due fanfare.
> > 
> > Those of you who believe that you may be in trouble with your
> > government by having crypto in your posession (as opposed to using
> > it), please let me know ASAP! This will make src/crypto mandatory
> > if you want telnet(d). This will _not_ make crypto _use_ mandatory.
> 
> I for one will miss it.  I used libexec/telnetd extensively during ia64
> bootstrap (and still use it) before we had the crypto stuff going.  This
> was all built by hand, 'make world' still isn't an option there.  I also
> use usr.bin/telnet on other systems where SRA is constantly getting in 
> my face and annoying the !^@#%!@^#!# out of me.

I agree.  SRA is really annoying.

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Re: *HEADS UP!* This means you!

2001-12-09 Thread Peter Wemm

Mark Murray wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Now that I have your attention, please listen up, this may have some
> far-reaching consequences.
> 
> We currently have 2 telnet sources in the src/ tree; src/crypto/telnet
> and the "base" telnet spread around in (src/*/*telnet*/).
> 
> The "base" telnet is a complete subset of src/crypto telnet, and as
> a consequence of this, I want to remove the base telnet bits from
> the src/ tree. (Just the source, not the build infrastructure).
> 
> This will be accomplished by removing the "base" sources, and building
> telnet without defining the AUTHENTICATION and ENCRYPTION macros. These
> macros are currently used with unifdef to make (by hand) the "base"
> telnet stuff).
> 
> I'm not sure when I'll make the commit, but it will be soonish, with
> due fanfare.
> 
> Those of you who believe that you may be in trouble with your
> government by having crypto in your posession (as opposed to using
> it), please let me know ASAP! This will make src/crypto mandatory
> if you want telnet(d). This will _not_ make crypto _use_ mandatory.

I for one will miss it.  I used libexec/telnetd extensively during ia64
bootstrap (and still use it) before we had the crypto stuff going.  This
was all built by hand, 'make world' still isn't an option there.  I also
use usr.bin/telnet on other systems where SRA is constantly getting in 
my face and annoying the !^@#%!@^#!# out of me.

I really dont see that this has to be done this way.  FreeBSD committers
catch on to quirks in the tree pretty quickly.  I would much rather that
the unifdef step marked the generated files more prominantly so that we
didn't have accidents.  It would be a shame to complicate things when it
just takes a bit of committer education.

How about making the unifdef: targets whack on large "BEWARE! GENERATED
FILE!" warnings all over the beginning and end of each of them instead?

Cheers,
-Peter
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