Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2012-01-03 Thread Freddie Cash
Not directed to Doug in particular, just selected the first message to reply to, to keep the depth of the thread from exploding. :) On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > The story so far ... > > sysinstall was removed from HEAD in October. I (and others) objected on > the basis t

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-30 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 12/29/11 14:04, John Baldwin wrote: On Thursday, December 29, 2011 2:55:10 pm Nathan Whitehorn wrote: On 12/29/11 10:52, Warren Block wrote: On Thu, 29 Dec 2011, John Baldwin wrote: A way to select from available partition types (UFS, boot, swap, ZFS, etc.) rather than requiring the user to

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-29 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 12/29/11 12:51, Bruce Cran wrote: On 29/12/2011 16:37, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: I'd appreciate any specific comments you might have, and especially specific suggestions for improvements. Except from people who are old hands at sysinstall, I've received almost universally positive comments on t

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-29 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello; --- Gio 29/12/11, Chris Rees ha scritto: > > > > I use the nvidia driver, no idea what people with ATI > > cards do. > > I'm sorry to hear you're having trouble with that, if you > ever want to try again and you can't work it out get me > off list ;) > Getting X11 to run on virtualbox f

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-29 Thread Mark Linimon
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:23:58AM -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > How am I supposed to install prebuilt packages (and the myriad of > dependencies) from now on? I strongly recommend using portmaster. The manpage is very dense but to start with, use something like the following (I'm just picking on

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-29 Thread Chris Rees
On 29 Dec 2011 21:36, "Bruce Cran" wrote: > > On 29/12/2011 21:30, Chris Rees wrote: >> >> Nah, pkg_add -r works and grabs anything you need. Try it with something monstrous (like gcc...) > > > But then you have to know the exact name of the package, which isn't always obvious. If an educated gue

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-29 Thread Pedro Giffuni
--- Gio 29/12/11, Chris Rees ha scritto: > > FWIW; > > > > I have practically given up on installing FreeBSD > lately > > and I mostly use PC-BSD. I mainly see two big issues: > > > > -X.Org has become very difficult to install. Setting > up > > hald and friends, not to mention that you have to

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-29 Thread Bruce Cran
On 29/12/2011 21:30, Chris Rees wrote: Nah, pkg_add -r works and grabs anything you need. Try it with something monstrous (like gcc...) But then you have to know the exact name of the package, which isn't always obvious. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-c

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-29 Thread Chris Rees
On 29 December 2011 21:25, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > --- Gio 29/12/11, Chris Rees ha scritto: > >> > FWIW; >> > >> > I have practically given up on installing FreeBSD >> lately >> > and I mostly use PC-BSD. I mainly see two big issues: >> > >> > -X.Org has become very difficult to install. Setting >

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-29 Thread Bruce Cran
On 29/12/2011 16:37, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: I'd appreciate any specific comments you might have, and especially specific suggestions for improvements. Except from people who are old hands at sysinstall, I've received almost universally positive comments on the user experience. Patches would be

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-29 Thread John Baldwin
On Thursday, December 29, 2011 2:55:10 pm Nathan Whitehorn wrote: > On 12/29/11 10:52, Warren Block wrote: > > On Thu, 29 Dec 2011, John Baldwin wrote: > >> > >> A way to select from available partition types (UFS, boot, swap, ZFS, > >> etc.) > >> rather than requiring the user to remember the 'fre

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-29 Thread Chris Rees
On 29 December 2011 18:23, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > --- Gio 29/12/11, Nathan Whitehorn ha scritto: >> I'd appreciate any specific comments you might have, and >> especially >> specific suggestions for improvements. Except from people >> who are old >> hands at sysinstall, I've received almost univ

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-29 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 12/29/11 10:52, Warren Block wrote: On Thu, 29 Dec 2011, John Baldwin wrote: A way to select from available partition types (UFS, boot, swap, ZFS, etc.) rather than requiring the user to remember the 'freebsd-xxx' string would be one improvement. There are PRs for that and several other co

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-29 Thread Warren Block
On Thu, 29 Dec 2011, John Baldwin wrote: A way to select from available partition types (UFS, boot, swap, ZFS, etc.) rather than requiring the user to remember the 'freebsd-xxx' string would be one improvement. There are PRs for that and several other common suggestions: http://www.freebsd.or

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-29 Thread Pedro Giffuni
--- Gio 29/12/11, Nathan Whitehorn ha scritto: ... > > I'd appreciate any specific comments you might have, and > especially > specific suggestions for improvements. Except from people > who are old > hands at sysinstall, I've received almost universally > positive comments > on the user exp

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-29 Thread John Baldwin
On Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:37:25 am Nathan Whitehorn wrote: > On 12/29/11 06:52, John Baldwin wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:32:52 pm Lawrence Stewart wrote: > >> On 12/28/11 06:29, Doug Barton wrote: > >>> On 12/27/2011 03:48, Lawrence Stewart wrote: > On the topic of Doug'

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-29 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: > On 12/29/11 06:52, John Baldwin wrote: > >> On Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:32:52 pm Lawrence Stewart wrote: >> >>> On 12/28/11 06:29, Doug Barton wrote: >>> On 12/27/2011 03:48, Lawrence Stewart wrote: > On the topic of Dou

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-29 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 12/29/11 06:52, John Baldwin wrote: On Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:32:52 pm Lawrence Stewart wrote: On 12/28/11 06:29, Doug Barton wrote: On 12/27/2011 03:48, Lawrence Stewart wrote: On the topic of Doug's actual question, I see minimal sense in resurrecting sysinstall in head now. I would

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-29 Thread John Baldwin
On Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:32:52 pm Lawrence Stewart wrote: > On 12/28/11 06:29, Doug Barton wrote: > > On 12/27/2011 03:48, Lawrence Stewart wrote: > >> On the topic of Doug's actual question, I see minimal sense in > >> resurrecting sysinstall in head now. I would suggest it be done much > >

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-28 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Vincent Hoffman wrote: > On 28/12/2011 06:30, Doug Barton wrote: > > On 12/27/2011 22:08, Adrian Chadd wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Why not just list the things that sysinstall did that people like, and > >> extract out / reimplement those bits? > > That's sounds gre

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-28 Thread Vincent Hoffman
On 28/12/2011 06:30, Doug Barton wrote: > On 12/27/2011 22:08, Adrian Chadd wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Why not just list the things that sysinstall did that people like, and >> extract out / reimplement those bits? > That's sounds great. As soon as that's done, we can remove sysinstall > from the base. Un

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-27 Thread Doug Barton
On 12/27/2011 22:08, Adrian Chadd wrote: > Hi, > > Why not just list the things that sysinstall did that people like, and > extract out / reimplement those bits? That's sounds great. As soon as that's done, we can remove sysinstall from the base. Until those things exist, removing it is premature

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-27 Thread Adrian Chadd
Hi, Why not just list the things that sysinstall did that people like, and extract out / reimplement those bits? Noone's going to complain if you write say, a stand-alone package browser, or a stand-alone gui upgrade tool, or stand-alone configuration program, etc. Adrian _

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-27 Thread Doug Barton
On 12/27/2011 18:32, Lawrence Stewart wrote: > On 12/28/11 06:29, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 12/27/2011 03:48, Lawrence Stewart wrote: >>> On the topic of Doug's actual question, I see minimal sense in >>> resurrecting sysinstall in head now. I would suggest it be done much >>> closer to (say, 6 mont

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-27 Thread Lawrence Stewart
On 12/28/11 06:29, Doug Barton wrote: On 12/27/2011 03:48, Lawrence Stewart wrote: On the topic of Doug's actual question, I see minimal sense in resurrecting sysinstall in head now. I would suggest it be done much closer to (say, 6 months before) the 10.0 release cycle, if no suitable post-inst

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-27 Thread Gavin Atkinson
On Tue, 27 Dec 2011, Ron McDowell wrote: > As a related question, is there a good primer somewhere about how to use SVN? > I'm using csup at present. - Install the subversion port - Downlaod the source. To get HEAD code: svn co svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/head/ or to get 9-stable code:

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-27 Thread Doug Barton
On 12/27/2011 03:48, Lawrence Stewart wrote: > On the topic of Doug's actual question, I see minimal sense in > resurrecting sysinstall in head now. I would suggest it be done much > closer to (say, 6 months before) the 10.0 release cycle, if no suitable > post-installation configuration tool has m

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-27 Thread Steve Kargl
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 11:50:54AM -0600, Ron McDowell wrote: > > As a related question, is there a good primer somewhere about how to use > SVN? I'm using csup at present. > http://wiki.freebsd.org/SubversionPrimer -- Steve ___ freebsd-current@fre

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-27 Thread Ron McDowell
Lawrence Stewart wrote: On 12/27/11 16:13, Ron McDowell wrote: Doug Barton wrote: The story so far ... sysinstall was removed from HEAD in October. I (and others) objected on the basis that at this time there is no replacement for the post-install configuration role that sysinstall played. M

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-27 Thread Bruce Cran
I think such a tool should /not/ be a port, since I expect it would include a package browser in it. I think it's something that could really help new users get used to FreeBSD without having to trawl through man pages right at the start. -- Bruce Cran Sent from my iPad On 27 Dec 2011, at 05

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-27 Thread Lawrence Stewart
On 12/27/11 16:13, Ron McDowell wrote: Doug Barton wrote: The story so far ... sysinstall was removed from HEAD in October. I (and others) objected on the basis that at this time there is no replacement for the post-install configuration role that sysinstall played. More sysinstall components w

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-26 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Dec 26, 2011, at 9:13 PM, Ron McDowell wrote: > Doug Barton wrote: >> The story so far ... >> >> sysinstall was removed from HEAD in October. I (and others) objected on >> the basis that at this time there is no replacement for the post-install >> configuration role that sysinstall played. Mor

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-26 Thread Ron McDowell
Doug Barton wrote: The story so far ... sysinstall was removed from HEAD in October. I (and others) objected on the basis that at this time there is no replacement for the post-install configuration role that sysinstall played. More sysinstall components were then removed. Then the old version o

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-26 Thread Doug Barton
On 12/26/2011 20:29, Xin LI wrote: > On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >> The story so far ... >> >> sysinstall was removed from HEAD in October. I (and others) objected on >> the basis that at this time there is no replacement for the post-install >> configuration role that sysi

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-26 Thread Xin LI
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > The story so far ... > > sysinstall was removed from HEAD in October. I (and others) objected on > the basis that at this time there is no replacement for the post-install > configuration role that sysinstall played. More sysinstall components

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-26 Thread Justin Hibbits
On Dec 26, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Doug Barton wrote: The story so far ... sysinstall was removed from HEAD in October. I (and others) objected on the basis that at this time there is no replacement for the post- install configuration role that sysinstall played. More sysinstall components were t

Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool

2011-12-26 Thread Doug Barton
On 12/26/2011 18:23, Justin Hibbits wrote: > Hi Doug, > > I do agree that it would be nice to have a post-install configuration > utility. However, I think it might be better served with a separate > tool, rather than a swiss army knife that sysinstall was. If someone is > willing to do the wor