W dniu 18.02.2019 o 18:17, Pete Wright pisze:
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> On 2/18/19 8:50 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:12 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
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>>> I don't know. I think the fact that drm2 doesn't support anything newer
>>> than 5-year-old hardware is a pretty convincing evidence that
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 11:18:07 -0800 Steve Kargl
wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 06:59:26PM +, Johannes Lundberg wrote:
>> On 2/19/19 5:35 PM, Steve Kargl wrote:
>>> My Dell Latitude D530 running i386 freebsd, which used the
>>> i915kms.ko now locks up solid with drm-legacy-kmod. The PAE vs
On February 19, 2019 9:35:54 AM PST, Steve Kargl
wrote:
>On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 08:17:48AM -0800, Cy Schubert wrote:
>> On February 18, 2019 9:17:37 AM PST, Pete Wright
> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >On 2/18/19 8:50 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
>> >>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:12 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 06:59:26PM +, Johannes Lundberg wrote:
>
> On 2/19/19 5:35 PM, Steve Kargl wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 08:17:48AM -0800, Cy Schubert wrote:
>>>
>>> Drm2 is not required. My current laptop is 5 years old, an HD3000. The
>>> previous one is 13 years old, i915.
On 2/19/19 5:35 PM, Steve Kargl wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 08:17:48AM -0800, Cy Schubert wrote:
>> On February 18, 2019 9:17:37 AM PST, Pete Wright wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2/18/19 8:50 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:12 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
>
> I don't know.
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 08:17:48AM -0800, Cy Schubert wrote:
> On February 18, 2019 9:17:37 AM PST, Pete Wright wrote:
> >
> >
> >On 2/18/19 8:50 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:12 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
> >>>
> >>> I don't know. I think the fact that drm2 doesn't
On February 18, 2019 9:17:37 AM PST, Pete Wright wrote:
>
>
>On 2/18/19 8:50 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:12 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
>>>
>>> I don't know. I think the fact that drm2 doesn't support anything
>newer
>>> than 5-year-old hardware is a pretty convincing
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 06:25:32AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> We are certainly driving users away by our operation model
If you want to help take up more support duties -- especially for aging
hardware -- I doubt anyone would stop you. There is plenty of work to
take up; just check
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 06:25:32 -0800 (PST)
"Rodney W. Grimes" wrote:
> > > On 19 Feb 2019, at 09.15, Oleksandr Tymoshenko wrote:
> > >
> > > Michael Gmelin (gre...@freebsd.org) wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > On 18. Feb 2019, at 23:54, Mark Linimon wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 8:17 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
freebsd-...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
> > > On 19 Feb 2019, at 09.15, Oleksandr Tymoshenko
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Michael Gmelin (gre...@freebsd.org) wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > On 18. Feb 2019, at 23:54, Mark Linimon
> wrote:
> >
> >
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 01:43:22PM +0100, Niclas Zeising wrote:
> On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote:
> >On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote:
> >>On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote:
> >>>Anyone have insight into what evdev is?
> >>evdev.ko is a small in-kernel library that makes
> > On 19 Feb 2019, at 09.15, Oleksandr Tymoshenko wrote:
> >
> > Michael Gmelin (gre...@freebsd.org) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> On 18. Feb 2019, at 23:54, Mark Linimon wrote:
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 08:50:27AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> I think one serious problem here
> On 19 Feb 2019, at 09.15, Oleksandr Tymoshenko wrote:
>
> Michael Gmelin (gre...@freebsd.org) wrote:
>>
>>
On 18. Feb 2019, at 23:54, Mark Linimon wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 08:50:27AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
I think one serious problem here is the summary
On 2/18/19 10:54 PM, Mark Linimon wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 08:50:27AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
>> I think one serious problem here is the summary dismissal of things
>> simply on the "5 year old" basis.
> IIUC the graphics changes are being forced upon FreeBSD by external
> projects
Michael Gmelin (gre...@freebsd.org) wrote:
>
>
> > On 18. Feb 2019, at 23:54, Mark Linimon wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 08:50:27AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> >> I think one serious problem here is the summary dismissal of things
> >> simply on the "5 year old" basis.
> >
> >
On 2/19/19 12:37 AM, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:50 AM Steve Kargl <
> s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 09:11:14AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
>>> You do know these constant complaints about people trying to make things
>>> better is
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:50 AM Steve Kargl <
s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 09:11:14AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
> >
> > You do know these constant complaints about people trying to make things
> > better is demoralizing and counter productive.
> >
>
> You do
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:50 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
freebsd-...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:12 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
> > freebsd-...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 07:12:24AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> > > > > > On 2/18/19
> On 18. Feb 2019, at 23:54, Mark Linimon wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 08:50:27AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
>> I think one serious problem here is the summary dismissal of things
>> simply on the "5 year old" basis.
>
> IIUC the graphics changes are being forced upon FreeBSD by
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 08:50:27AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> I think one serious problem here is the summary dismissal of things
> simply on the "5 year old" basis.
IIUC the graphics changes are being forced upon FreeBSD by external
projects (mainly Linux-based) that are making huge
motivated me to do this:
1) my observation that many developers at conferences and online were using
macOS as their primary desktop environment. when comparing this to the
OpenBSD and Linux community I felt pretty embarrassed, but it did explain the
stagnant nature of our graphics subsystem.
On 2/17/19 6:48 PM, Ian Lepore wrote:
That manpage you found online is in section 4x. It probably gets
installed along with the xf86-input-evdev package.
yes - unfortunately that seems to be the only form of man page that
exists on the linux side as well. did a quick search through the
On 02/18/19 10:50, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:12 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
>> freebsd-...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
>>
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 07:12:24AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
>> On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote:
>>> On 2/18/19, Vladimir
On 2/18/19 8:50 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:12 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
I don't know. I think the fact that drm2 doesn't support anything newer
than 5-year-old hardware is a pretty convincing evidence that the old way
is broken and doesn't work.
But it DOES work, I am
On 2/18/19 3:12 PM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
>> On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote:
>>> On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote:
On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote:
> Anyone have insight into what evdev is?
evdev.ko is a small in-kernel library that makes all your input
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 09:35:26AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 3:52 PM Steve Kargl <
> s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
>
> > Anyone have insight into what evdev is? There appears to
> > be no manual page. When I reboot a system with custom
> > kernel, the
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 09:58:14AM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-02-18 at 08:50 -0800, Steve Kargl wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 09:11:14AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
> > >
> > > You do know these constant complaints about people trying to make
> > > things
> > > better is
On Mon, 2019-02-18 at 08:50 -0800, Steve Kargl wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 09:11:14AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
> >
> > You do know these constant complaints about people trying to make
> > things
> > better is demoralizing and counter productive.
> >
>
> You do realize some of the emails
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 09:11:14AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
>
> You do know these constant complaints about people trying to make things
> better is demoralizing and counter productive.
>
You do realize some of the emails are from frustrated users
who are trying to make FreeBSD (see for
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:12 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
> freebsd-...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 07:12:24AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> > > > > On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote:
> > > > > > On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote:
> > > > > >> On
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 09:32:52AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:12 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
> freebsd-...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
>
> > So to ditch our 5 years support model, kick the code out of the tree and
> > make the users suffer? The support model is suppose to
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 04:56:57PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 07:12:24AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> >
> > Sadly your execution on that seems to be missing the mark,
> > telling people they have to go get a port now to get drm working
> > because it could not
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 3:52 PM Steve Kargl <
s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
> Anyone have insight into what evdev is? There appears to
> be no manual page. When I reboot a system with custom
> kernel, the system is autoloading evdev.ko, uhid.ko, and
> wmt.ko. I do not need nor what
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:12 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
freebsd-...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 07:12:24AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> > > > On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote:
> > > > > On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote:
> > > > >> On 2019-02-17
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 07:12:24AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> > > On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote:
> > > > On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote:
> > > >> On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote:
> > > >>> Anyone have insight into what evdev is?
> > > >> evdev.ko is a small
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 8:33 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
freebsd-...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
> > On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote:
> > > On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote:
> > >> On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote:
> > >>> Anyone have insight into what evdev is?
> > >>
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 07:12:24AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> > On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote:
> > > On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote:
> > >> On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote:
> > >>> Anyone have insight into what evdev is?
> > >> evdev.ko is a small in-kernel
> On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote:
> > On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote:
> >> On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote:
> >>> Anyone have insight into what evdev is?
> >> evdev.ko is a small in-kernel library that makes all your input events
> >> like keyboard presses
On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote:
On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote:
On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote:
Anyone have insight into what evdev is?
evdev.ko is a small in-kernel library that makes all your input events
like keyboard presses libinput-compatible.
And libinput
On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote:
> On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote:
>> Anyone have insight into what evdev is?
> evdev.ko is a small in-kernel library that makes all your input events
> like keyboard presses libinput-compatible.
And libinput was created by the Freedesktop Wayland
On 2019-Feb-17, at 18:35, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 03:04:41PM -0800, Mark Millard wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2019-Feb-17, at 10:03, Steve Kargl
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone have insight into what evdev is? There appears to
>>> be no manual page. When I reboot a system
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 18:35:25 -0800 (PST)
"Rodney W. Grimes" wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 03:04:41PM -0800, Mark Millard wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2019-Feb-17, at 10:03, Steve Kargl > > troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > Anyone have insight into what evdev is? There
On Sun, 2019-02-17 at 16:24 -0800, Steve Kargl wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 03:04:41PM -0800, Mark Millard wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 2019-Feb-17, at 10:03, Steve Kargl > troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone have insight into what evdev is? There appears to
> > be no manual
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 03:04:41PM -0800, Mark Millard wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 2019-Feb-17, at 10:03, Steve Kargl
> > wrote:
> >
> > Anyone have insight into what evdev is? There appears to
> > be no manual page. When I reboot a system with custom
> > kernel, the system is autoloading
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 03:04:41PM -0800, Mark Millard wrote:
>
>
> On 2019-Feb-17, at 10:03, Steve Kargl
> wrote:
>
> Anyone have insight into what evdev is? There appears to
> be no manual page. When I reboot a system with custom
> kernel, the system is autoloading evdev.ko, uhid.ko, and
On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote:
Anyone have insight into what evdev is? There appears to
be no manual page. When I reboot a system with custom
kernel, the system is autoloading evdev.ko, uhid.ko, and
wmt.ko. I do not need nor what these modules loaded.
How does one prevent this
On 2019-Feb-17, at 10:03, Steve Kargl
wrote:
Anyone have insight into what evdev is? There appears to
be no manual page. When I reboot a system with custom
kernel, the system is autoloading evdev.ko, uhid.ko, and
wmt.ko. I do not need nor what these modules loaded.
How does one prevent
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