On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:23 PM, O. Hartmann
ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
A complete No-Go is the lack of CUDA and more important OpenCL
capabilities and therefore GPGPU usage. As nVidia made clear in San
Jose, CUDA, and therefore GPGPU, is a tremendous fast growing market. On
all of our
As I keep pointing out - if people want to make FreeBSD work on HPC,
please work on making it work. Either wade through the depths
yourself, or find a friendly developer who would like to wade through
the depths for you.
People are working on their areas of interest (paid, free, otherwise)
or
On 10 June 2012 11:12, Martin Sugioarto mar...@sugioarto.com wrote:
Am Sat, 09 Jun 2012 21:09:09 +0700
schrieb Adam Strohl adams-free...@ateamsystems.com:
I get the feeling people are updating their ports tree and then
recompiling/reinstalling everything just because and then are
complaining
On 06/10/12 12:37, Chris Rees wrote:
On 10 June 2012 11:12, Martin Sugioarto mar...@sugioarto.com wrote:
Am Sat, 09 Jun 2012 21:09:09 +0700
schrieb Adam Strohl adams-free...@ateamsystems.com:
I get the feeling people are updating their ports tree and then
recompiling/reinstalling everything
On 06/10/12 12:37, Chris Rees wrote:
On 10 June 2012 11:12, Martin Sugioarto mar...@sugioarto.com wrote:
Am Sat, 09 Jun 2012 21:09:09 +0700
schrieb Adam Strohl adams-free...@ateamsystems.com:
I get the feeling people are updating their ports tree and then
recompiling/reinstalling everything
On 10 June 2012 11:51, O. Hartmann ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On 06/10/12 12:37, Chris Rees wrote:
On 10 June 2012 11:12, Martin Sugioarto mar...@sugioarto.com wrote:
Am Sat, 09 Jun 2012 21:09:09 +0700
schrieb Adam Strohl adams-free...@ateamsystems.com:
I get the feeling people are
a example what is used for WIP.
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with http://redports.org/ ?
Just a example what is used for WIP.
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Well,
this thread has been run
On 06/10/12 17:43, John Merryweather Cooper wrote:
On 06/10/12 09:54, Martin Sugioarto wrote:
Am Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:37:09 +0100
schrieb Chris Reescr...@freebsd.org:
Er... people always test their commits. Sometimes edge cases will
creep in, such as the libreoffice failure which was due to
On 10 June 2012 18:10, O. Hartmann ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On 06/10/12 17:43, John Merryweather Cooper wrote:
On 06/10/12 09:54, Martin Sugioarto wrote:
Am Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:37:09 +0100
schrieb Chris Reescr...@freebsd.org:
Er... people always test their commits. Sometimes edge
On 06/10/12 19:20, Chris Rees wrote:
On 10 June 2012 18:10, O. Hartmann ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On 06/10/12 17:43, John Merryweather Cooper wrote:
On 06/10/12 09:54, Martin Sugioarto wrote:
Am Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:37:09 +0100
schrieb Chris Reescr...@freebsd.org:
Er... people
O. Hartmann writes:
Among all the default problems with ports, libreoffice[1] adds to the
group of annoyances[2] at the moment. I don't know when I have seen
portmaster -ad run through successfully last time. I need more and
more -x options to exclude ports which fail to build.
On 06/09/12 06:45, Adam Strohl wrote:
On 6/9/2012 3:34, Steve Franks wrote:
Every time libjpeg or
perl or python bumps the rev, I have to explain to my boss that I
won't be using my computer for 48 hours.
Lucky man! We are off from some desktop services (like LibreOffice and
Firefox) for more
On 6/9/2012 14:50, O. Hartmann wrote:
Lucky man! We are off from some desktop services (like LibreOffice and
Firefox) for more than a week now!
Why did you update to begin with? Bug/security fix?
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Lucky man! We are off from some desktop services (like LibreOffice and
Firefox) for more than a week now!
Why did you update to begin with? Bug/security fix?
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On 06/09/12 18:03, Jakub Lach wrote:
I just have successfully (*) build LibreOffice by just typing
# make build in editors/libreoffice...
* Without any manually removed hiccups. Dependencies
build with clang fine too, as graphics/vigra is updated.
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The same one I had problems earlier. I heard
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On 07.06.12 02:09, Erich wrote:
Those minor issues are, having the recent mess in front of my eyes, a
simple negative exaggeration. What is that price worth, if the
system is faulting and rendered useless or partially useless?
just do what was recommended in this thread: wait.
Tell this
Hi,
On 07 June 2012 12:17:14 Daniel Kalchev wrote:
On 07.06.12 02:09, Erich wrote:
Those minor issues are, having the recent mess in front of my eyes, a
simple negative exaggeration. What is that price worth, if the
system is faulting and rendered useless or partially useless?
just
On 07.06.12 12:30, Erich wrote:
On 07 June 2012 12:17:14 Daniel Kalchev wrote:
just do what was recommended in this thread: wait. Tell this ones to
a commercial client. They will use words on you for which use you
get a life ban on this list.
If you are not qualified enough to handle
Hi,
On 07 June 2012 12:58:14 Daniel Kalchev wrote:
On 07.06.12 12:30, Erich wrote:
On 07 June 2012 12:17:14 Daniel Kalchev wrote:
this is precisely the kind of answer which stops people from using FreeBSD.
Thank you for repelling more people and keeping the user base small.
None
On 06/07/12 11:17, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
On 07.06.12 02:09, Erich wrote:
Those minor issues are, having the recent mess in front of my eyes, a
simple negative exaggeration. What is that price worth, if the
system is faulting and rendered useless or partially useless?
just do what was
Hi,
On 07 June 2012 12:58:59 Hartmann, O. wrote:
On 06/07/12 11:17, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
On 07.06.12 02:09, Erich wrote:
Those minor issues are, having the recent mess in front of my eyes, a
simple negative exaggeration. What is that price worth, if the
system is faulting and
On 07.06.12 13:58, Hartmann, O. wrote:
... in some cases this needs the deep knowledge of all ports/software
provided and used and this is simply impossible, or at least null
convergent probability.
Only God is required to know and be able to do everything. We humans can
be imperfect.
In
On 06.06.12 05:31, Erich wrote:
On 05 June 2012 10:55:57 Chris Rees wrote:
It is absolutely a bad idea for beginners to be using tagged/dated
ports trees-- they are not supported and will lead to many complaints
about problems that were solved since the tag.
How do they fall back when things
On 06.06.12 05:35, Erich wrote:
Warning: Be very careful to specify any tag= fields correctly. Some tags are
valid only for certain collections of files. If you specify an incorrect or
misspelled tag, CVSup will delete files which you probably do not want deleted.
In particular, use only
On Jun 6, 2012 3:38 AM, Erich erichfreebsdl...@ovitrap.com wrote:
Hi,
On 05 June 2012 7:13:47 Mark Linimon wrote:
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 03:23:01PM +0700, Erich wrote:
But is this true for apache only or for the whole ports tree?
Entire tree.
my problem with this is that the
On 06/06/12 10:41, Nicolas Rachinsky wrote:
* O. Hartmann ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de [2012-06-03 22:55 +0200]:
... I spent now two complete days watching my boxes updating their
ports. Several ports do not compile anymore (inkscape, libreoffice,
libxul, to name some of the very hurting
Hi,
let me rite the answer on top before my mouse scrolling down.
I am fully aware of what you are writing. I am saying this from the point of
view people have when they start with FreeBSD.
This little help would make them feel much much saver.
I know that it would not change much in real
Hi,
On 06 June 2012 8:48:10 Chris Rees wrote:
On Jun 6, 2012 3:38 AM, Erich erichfreebsdl...@ovitrap.com wrote:
No it doesn't. It states clearly that you shouldn't use tags unless you
know what you are doing, as several of us have explained more than once.
is my English really this bad?
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On 06.06.12 05:31, Erich wrote
Hi,
On 06 June 2012 9:21:22 Sean Cavanaugh wrote:
Overall I see it as packages are flat stable at the cost of being out of
date, and ports are current but not guaranteed to compile without
intervention. The Maintainers do give a very good shot to make them stable
but sometimes one person
On 6 June 2012 14:48, Erich Dollansky er...@alogreentechnologies.com wrote:
Hi,
On 06 June 2012 9:21:22 Sean Cavanaugh wrote:
Overall I see it as packages are flat stable at the cost of being out of
date, and ports are current but not guaranteed to compile without
intervention. The
On 6 June 2012 14:12, Erich erichfreebsdl...@ovitrap.com wrote:
Hi,
On 06 June 2012 8:48:10 Chris Rees wrote:
On Jun 6, 2012 3:38 AM, Erich erichfreebsdl...@ovitrap.com wrote:
No it doesn't. It states clearly that you shouldn't use tags unless you
know what you are doing, as several of us
In parallel is the discussion why so little people are using FreeBSD.
Do you understand what I want to say?
Erich
I would say there are 3 main things.
1) the 3rd party apps, which has already been covered of how overpowering it
can appear to newbies. Not going into depth anymore
2) lack
Hi,
On 06 June 2012 15:15:24 Chris Rees wrote:
On 6 June 2012 14:48, Erich Dollansky er...@alogreentechnologies.com wrote:
Hi,
On 06 June 2012 9:21:22 Sean Cavanaugh wrote:
Overall I see it as packages are flat stable at the cost of being out of
date, and ports are current but not
On 06/06/12 16:15, Chris Rees wrote:
On 6 June 2012 14:48, Erich Dollansky er...@alogreentechnologies.com wrote:
Hi,
On 06 June 2012 9:21:22 Sean Cavanaugh wrote:
Overall I see it as packages are flat stable at the cost of being out of
date, and ports are current but not guaranteed to
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012, Mark Linimon wrote:
It's not particularly easy to see this on cvsweb. But let's take a look
at a random Mk/bsd.*.mk file via 'cvs log':
RCS file: /home/FreeBSD/pcvs/ports/Mk/bsd.apache.mk,v
Working file: bsd.apache.mk
head: 1.36
branch:
locks: strict
access list:
Hi,
On 06 June 2012 21:59:49 O. Hartmann wrote:
On 06/06/12 16:15, Chris Rees wrote:
On 6 June 2012 14:48, Erich Dollansky er...@alogreentechnologies.com
wrote:
Those minor issues are, having the recent mess in front of my eyes, a
simple negative exaggeration. What is that price worth,
Hi,
On 05 June 2012 15:33:16 Mark Andrews wrote:
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Hi,
On 05 June 2012 12:48:20 Mark Andrews wrote:
In message 3506767.fvm2kmt...@x220.ovitrap.com, Erich writes:
On 05 June 2012 11:24:25 Mark Andrews wrote:
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 12:18:33PM +0700, Erich wrote:
I did not know this. Do you have a link for this? I never read about it.
The EOL announcements have them. I don't think the release announcements
do, however.
mcl
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On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 01:00:45PM +0700, Erich wrote:
All of these, with the exception of HEAD (which is always a valid tag),
only apply to the src/ tree. The ports/, doc/, and www/ trees are not
branched.
If you create a branch, you must create a tag for that branch.
However, you can create
On 05 June 2012 15:33:16 Mark Andrews wrote:
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Hi,
On 05 June 2012 12:48:20 Mark Andrews wrote:
In message 3506767.Fvm2KmtnYf at x220.ovitrap.com, Erich writes:
On 05 June 2012 11:24:25 Mark Andrews
Hi,
On 05 June 2012 1:01:37 Mark Linimon wrote:
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 12:18:33PM +0700, Erich wrote:
I did not know this. Do you have a link for this? I never read about it.
The EOL announcements have them. I don't think the release announcements
do, however.
this is the problem. I
Hi,
On 05 June 2012 1:09:50 Mark Linimon wrote:
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 01:00:45PM +0700, Erich wrote:
All of these, with the exception of HEAD (which is always a valid tag),
only apply to the src/ tree. The ports/, doc/, and www/ trees are not
branched.
If you create a branch, you must
Hi,
On 05 June 2012 3:08:17 b. f. wrote:
On 05 June 2012 15:33:16 Mark Andrews wrote:
In message 2490439.EC638TI0j3 at x220.ovitrap.com, Erich writes:
Hi,
All of these, with the exception of HEAD (which is always a valid tag),
only apply to the src/ tree. The ports/, doc/,
On 6/5/12, Erich erichfreebsdl...@ovitrap.com wrote:
Hi,
On 05 June 2012 3:08:17 b. f. wrote:
On 05 June 2012 15:33:16 Mark Andrews wrote:
In message 2490439.EC638TI0j3 at x220.ovitrap.com, Erich writes:
Hi,
All of these, with the exception of HEAD (which is always a valid
On Jun 5, 2012 3:07 AM, Erich erichfreebsdl...@ovitrap.com wrote:
Hi,
On 05 June 2012 11:24:25 Mark Andrews wrote:
Version tagging is just a convient way to get a snapshot at a
particular point in time unless you create branches that are them
we do not ask for more. There should be
On 5 June 2012 09:25, Erich erichfreebsdl...@ovitrap.com wrote:
Hi,
On 05 June 2012 3:08:17 b. f. wrote:
On 05 June 2012 15:33:16 Mark Andrews wrote:
In message 2490439.EC638TI0j3 at x220.ovitrap.com, Erich writes:
Hi,
All of these, with the exception of HEAD (which is always
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 03:23:01PM +0700, Erich wrote:
But is this true for apache only or for the whole ports tree?
Entire tree.
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On 05 June 2012 1:09:50 Mark Linimon wrote:
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 01:00:45PM +0700, Erich wrote:
All of these, with the exception of HEAD (which is always a valid tag),
only apply to the src/ tree. The ports/, doc/, and www/ trees are not
branched.
If you create a branch, you must
Hi,
On 05 June 2012 1:09:50 Mark Linimon wrote:
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 01:00:45PM +0700, Erich wrote:
All of these, with the exception of HEAD (which is always a valid tag),
only apply to the src/ tree. The ports/, doc/, and www/ trees are not
branched.
If you create a branch, you must
Hi,
On 05 June 2012 10:55:57 Chris Rees wrote:
On 5 June 2012 09:25, Erich erichfreebsdl...@ovitrap.com wrote:
On 05 June 2012 3:08:17 b. f. wrote:
On 05 June 2012 15:33:16 Mark Andrews wrote:
In message 2490439.EC638TI0j3 at x220.ovitrap.com, Erich writes:
Hi,
All of
Hi,
On 05 June 2012 7:13:47 Mark Linimon wrote:
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 03:23:01PM +0700, Erich wrote:
But is this true for apache only or for the whole ports tree?
Entire tree.
my problem with this is that the documentation states something very different:
From the handbook at the
Hi,
On 06 June 2012 0:42:47 Mark Andrews wrote:
In message 1541214.zfrdxxb...@x220.ovitrap.com, Erich writes:
Hi,
On 05 June 2012 1:09:50 Mark Linimon wrote:
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 01:00:45PM +0700, Erich wrote:
All of these, with the exception of HEAD (which is always a valid
In message 3851080.jqjobqx...@x220.ovitrap.com, Erich writes:
yes, you miss a very simple thing. Updated this morning your ports
tree. Your client asks for something for Monday morning for which
you need now a program which needs some kind of PNG but you did not
install it.
It seems to me that
On 03.06.12 23:55, O. Hartmann wrote:
On 06/03/12 15:29, Erich wrote:
yes, you miss a very simple thing. Updated this morning your ports tree. Your
client asks for something for Monday morning for which you need now a program
which needs some kind of PNG but you did not install it.
... I
...
In any case, suppose a customer comes and asks for an application that
uses PNG, you just updated your ports tree and then you either:
1. Have already libpng installed.
Then you just don't rebuild libpng, just install the new software. You
do this by going to the ports directory like
On Sun, Jun 03, 2012 at 10:55:37PM +0200, O. Hartmann wrote:
On 06/03/12 15:29, Erich wrote:
And if a port build is broken then the maintainer needs to fix it, that
is the solution.
Look at the comment of the maintainer of LibreOffice ...
LibreOffice is not a small port, I managed to
On 3 June 2012 21:55, O. Hartmann ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On 06/03/12 15:29, Erich wrote:
Hi,
On 03 June 2012 PM 5:14:10 Adam Strohl wrote:
On 6/3/2012 11:14, Erich wrote:
What I really do not understand in this whole discussion is very simple.
Is it just a few people who run
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FWIW;
--- Lun 4/6/12, Jakub Lach jakub_l...@mailplus.pl ha scritto:
I'm not (only) pointing finger and whining, but
maybe PC-BSD could relegate someone permanently
to help you with libreoffice, if indeed desktop is
so important to them?
I am aware that PC-BSD has been indeed providing
), but if human
resources are scarce, shouldn't we (who?) decide that one big editor
(tm) is plenty?
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Hi,
Could you please stop this thread and go wining elsewhere, but not to
freebsd-current.
Thanks
matthias (running 10-CURRENT on a netbook)
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--- Lun 4/6/12, Jakub Lach jakub_l...@mailplus.pl ha scritto:
...
I personally do not care if it will be LibreOffice or Apache
OpenOffice as long as it's working and not pulling in
KDE4/QT4/GTK (most people/linux distros are abandoning OO
for Libre though it appears), but if human
On 06/04/12 17:24, Chris Rees wrote:
On 3 June 2012 21:55, O. Hartmann ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On 06/03/12 15:29, Erich wrote:
Hi,
On 03 June 2012 PM 5:14:10 Adam Strohl wrote:
On 6/3/2012 11:14, Erich wrote:
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On 04 June 2012 17:24:31 Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Sun, Jun 03, 2012 at 10:55:37PM +0200, O. Hartmann wrote:
On 06/03/12 15:29, Erich wrote:
And if a port build is broken then the maintainer needs to fix it, that
is the solution.
Look at the comment of the maintainer of
On 04 June 2012 16:24:56 Chris Rees wrote:
On 3 June 2012 21:55, O. Hartmann ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On 06/03/12 15:29, Erich wrote:
Hi,
On 03 June 2012 PM 5:14:10 Adam Strohl wrote:
On 6/3/2012 11:14, Erich wrote:
What I really do not understand in this whole discussion is
Hi,
On 05 June 2012 11:24:25 Mark Andrews wrote:
Version tagging is just a convient way to get a snapshot at a
particular point in time unless you create branches that are them
we do not ask for more. There should be only one difference to a snapshot. As
snapshot has a date. No matter in
One doesn't have to live at the bleeding edge with ports if one
doesn't want to even when compiling. One can live a day, a week,
a month behind the bleeding edge and allow other to hit problems
and report them.
To be pedantic, there's a lot of difference between reporting problems,
and
Hi,
On 05 June 2012 12:48:20 Mark Andrews wrote:
In message 3506767.fvm2kmt...@x220.ovitrap.com, Erich writes:
On 05 June 2012 11:24:25 Mark Andrews wrote:
It's already there. If you want the ports as of FreeBSD 4.x EOL
then the tag is RELEASE_4_EOL. If you want ports as of
Hi,
2012/6/3 Erich erichfreebsdl...@ovitrap.com:
[...]
I witnessed those cases several times and at this moment, our four
remaining FreeBSD servers and my personal desktop as well as my private
box are rendered unusable in terms of having no LibreOffice since it
doesn't compile anymore on
Hi,
On 03 June 2012 PM 5:14:10 Adam Strohl wrote:
On 6/3/2012 11:14, Erich wrote:
What I really do not understand in this whole discussion is very simple. Is
it just a few people who run into problems like this or is this simply
ignored by the people who set the strategy for FreeBSD?
Hi,
On 03 June 2012 PM 5:14:10 Adam Strohl wrote:
On 6/3/2012 11:14, Erich wrote:
What I really do not understand in this whole discussion is very simple. Is
it just a few people who run into problems like this or is this simply
ignored by the people who set the strategy for FreeBSD?
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Erich erichfreebsdl...@ovitrap.com wrote:
Hi,
On 03 June 2012 PM 5:14:10 Adam Strohl wrote:
On 6/3/2012 11:14, Erich wrote:
What I really do not understand in this whole discussion is very simple.
Is it just a few people who run into problems like this or
/ports/editors/libreoffice/work/libreoffice-core-3.5.2.2/vcl/prj
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Hi,
On 03 June 2012 PM 5:14:10 Adam Strohl wrote:
On 6/3/2012 11:14, Erich wrote:
What I really do not understand in this whole discussion is very simple. Is
it just a few people who run into problems like this or is this simply
ignored by the people who
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 4:55 PM, O. Hartmann ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On 06/03/12 15:29, Erich wrote:
Hi,
On 03 June 2012 PM 5:14:10 Adam Strohl wrote:
On 6/3/2012 11:14, Erich wrote:
What I really do not understand in this whole discussion is very simple.
Is it just a few people
just the base system is
the only part that needs to be unified, everything else can be
installed from source.
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On 03 June 2012 PM 4:46:40 Jakub Lach wrote:
just the base system is
the only part that needs to be unified, everything else can be
installed from source.
You really don't know what you are talking about, do you?
the chicken and the egg
Erich
On 06/01/12 21:46, Lars Engels wrote:
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 08:32:08PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote:
On 1 June 2012 16:20, Nomen Nescio nob...@dizum.com wrote:
Dear All ,
There is a thread
Why Are You Using FreeBSD ?
I think another thread with the specified subject 'Why Are You
NOT
On 06/02/12 14:47, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
On 02.06.12 15:32, Erich wrote:
I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving
during the release period. This could be used to give a fall back
solution.
Or do I see this really too simple?
The ports tree is a moving target
On Jun 2, 2012 3:19 PM, O. Hartmann ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote:
On 06/02/12 14:47, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
On 02.06.12 15:32, Erich wrote:
I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving
during the release period. This could be used to give a fall back
Hmm... Speaking of libreoffice
ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
/usr/obj/usr/ports/editors/libreoffice/work/libreoffice-core-3.5.2.2/vcl/prj
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On 02 June 2012 PM 4:18:45 O. Hartmann wrote:
On 06/02/12 14:47, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
On 02.06.12 15:32, Erich wrote:
I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving
during the release period. This could be used to give a fall back
solution.
Or do I see this
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