Re: libc++ vs. libstdc++ usage in the ports tree (was: Re: Are clang++ and libc++ compatible?)

2013-11-13 Thread Andreas Nilsson
https://wiki.freebsd.org/NewC++Stack says things about linking against
both libc++ and libstdc++ , do they still apply?

Best regards
Andreas
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Re: libc++ vs. libstdc++ usage in the ports tree (was: Re: Are clang++ and libc++ compatible?)

2013-11-13 Thread Ryan Stone
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Marcus von Appen m...@freebsd.org wrote:
 This brings up another point into which I am running with the previously
 discussed blender issue.

 Let's assume port A_defcompiler does not specify a compiler and c++ lib, it
 will default to libc++ and clang++ on 10.x or newer, correct?
 If now a port B_gnuish depends on port A_defcompiler, but at the same
 defines
 GCC + libstdc++, the resulting binary might link against libc++ and
 libstdc++
 at the same time. This in turn makes the port unusable. The same applies
 to the other way around.

 Right now we do not have mechanism to detect and handle those flaws.
 Maintainers
 might be even less aware of those issues. Does anyone know a proper way to
 deal
 with this at the moment on 10.x+ or is this something that was missed until
 now?

How different is this from the previous situation?  As I understand it
previously A_defcompiler would be linked against the system libstdc++
and B_gnuish would be linked against the gccXX port libstdc++.  In my
experience libstdc++ does not have good ABI stability between versions
so shouldn't you have the same potential for problems?
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Re: libc++ vs. libstdc++ usage in the ports tree (was: Re: Are clang++ and libc++ compatible?)

2013-11-13 Thread Steve Kargl
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:52:16PM -0500, Ryan Stone wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Marcus von Appen m...@freebsd.org wrote:
  This brings up another point into which I am running with the previously
  discussed blender issue.
 
  Let's assume port A_defcompiler does not specify a compiler and c++ lib, it
  will default to libc++ and clang++ on 10.x or newer, correct?
  If now a port B_gnuish depends on port A_defcompiler, but at the same
  defines
  GCC + libstdc++, the resulting binary might link against libc++ and
  libstdc++
  at the same time. This in turn makes the port unusable. The same applies
  to the other way around.
 
  Right now we do not have mechanism to detect and handle those flaws.
  Maintainers
  might be even less aware of those issues. Does anyone know a proper way to
  deal
  with this at the moment on 10.x+ or is this something that was missed until
  now?
 
 How different is this from the previous situation?  As I understand it
 previously A_defcompiler would be linked against the system libstdc++
 and B_gnuish would be linked against the gccXX port libstdc++.  In my
 experience libstdc++ does not have good ABI stability between versions
 so shouldn't you have the same potential for problems?

I haven't seen a problem with mixing the system's libstdc++ with
a version from lang/gcc46.  I can assure you that the problem
is very really with libc++ vs libstdc++ within the ports collection.
To getting working news/pan and math/octave, I had to recompile
graphics/graphite2, graphics/libGL, graphics/libGLU, and
x11-toolkits/fltk with USE_GCC=any to avoid the conflict. 
Fortunately, I have only another 360 installed ports to check for
the conflict.

-- 
Steve
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