RE: CS Project

1999-09-09 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 09-Sep-99 Jason Young wrote: After some thought, I think the mount option idea is best. I hadn't thought of that before. One might want to apply different procfs security policies to different mounts of procfs, especially in a jail() situation. Good call. Yeah, you'd have to make

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)

1999-09-09 Thread Walter Hafner
Nate Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nate: it's a while since I looked at VM on XEmacs. I found its layout cluttered and it's key sequences awkward. How configurable is it, really? Do you use it as it comes out of the box? Really configurable, and no, I don't use it in an

Re: How to follow child process in gdb

1999-09-09 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 20:19:32 -0400, Zhihui Zhang wrote: I have to use attach and dettach to do so. Does that mean I have to display the pid of the new process in order to follow it. And I have to modify the child process so that it can wait until I can attach to it. That will not be as

Re: 32+ signals and library versions

1999-09-09 Thread Dmitrij Tejblum
Marcel Moolenaar wrote: I suggest to try to avoid the version bump. NetBSD-like way to do it: Give new implementations another names in object files, so that they don't conflict with old implementations, and preserve old implementations in the library too. To make the compiler generate

Re: mbuf shortage situations

1999-09-09 Thread Stas Kisel
From: Darren Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem with this is the BSD TCP/IP implementation ACK's (or at least attempts to ACK) data as soon as it is received and it is a big no-no to discard queued data that has already been ACK'd. Probably it is not self-evident why we HAVE to drop this

Re: CS Project

1999-09-09 Thread Chuck Robey
On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Julian Elischer wrote: I think he wants something like an "inverted chroot" (you can see out but others can't see in? (into all facets, e.g. process stats, etc.) Then maybe he should begin by looking at the work Poul-Henning has done on jail(8) code? Is that what you're

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)

1999-09-09 Thread Marc van Kempen
Hi Nate, Somewhere , theres got to be a nice little email place where Unix people can talk about usability and ease of software. Just to toss in my 0.02 cents, I've been using exmh for a while and am on one hand very satisfied with it, on the other hand it's handling of mime and html

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)

1999-09-09 Thread Markus Stumpf
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:08:01PM +1000, Andrew Reilly wrote: Lots of folk use procmail, but since I'm using qmail as an MTA, I thought I'd see if I could use it's native methods, and it's really easy, with a shell script that's just a case $SENDER block. It's even "easier" :-) I subscribe

Re: CS Project

1999-09-09 Thread Mike Pritchard
On Wed, Sep 08, 1999, Gustavo V G C Rios wrote: Dear gentleman, One clear example: No user(but only that ones previous allowed to) should be able to see other users process. This facility have to be done at kernel level, (that's what i think). Define "see". Access the memory?

Re: mbuf shortage situations

1999-09-09 Thread Darren Reed
In some mail from Stas Kisel, sie said: From: Darren Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem with this is the BSD TCP/IP implementation ACK's (or at least attempts to ACK) data as soon as it is received and it is a big no-no to discard queued data that has already been ACK'd. Probably

Re: mbuf shortage situations

1999-09-09 Thread Karl Pielorz
Darren Reed wrote: It is evil connection. Good applications do read data from their sockets, and evil ones do not. And ever if it is good, but silly or busy application, good clients do not send so much data that application can not process it. Am I wrong, there are any examples? So

Re: mbuf shortage situations

1999-09-09 Thread Darren Reed
In some mail from Karl Pielorz, sie said: Darren Reed wrote: It is evil connection. Good applications do read data from their sockets, and evil ones do not. And ever if it is good, but silly or busy application, good clients do not send so much data that application can not

Re: mbuf shortage situations

1999-09-09 Thread Jared Mauch
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:45:39PM +0400, Stas Kisel wrote: From: Darren Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem with this is the BSD TCP/IP implementation ACK's (or at least attempts to ACK) data as soon as it is received and it is a big no-no to discard queued data that has already been

Re: 32+ signals and library versions

1999-09-09 Thread Dmitrij Tejblum
Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: Marcel Moolenaar wrote: I suggest to try to avoid the version bump. NetBSD-like way to do it: Give new implementations another names in object files, so that they don't conflict with old implementations, and preserve old implementations in the library

Re: mbuf shortage situations

1999-09-09 Thread Stas Kisel
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Sep 9 16:17:27 1999 Probably it is not self-evident why we HAVE to drop this connection. So what if someone manages to crash a program due to a DOS attack ? An easy one that comes to mind is syslogd. It's often stuck in disk-wait and can easily be targetted

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)

1999-09-09 Thread Nate Williams
Just to toss in my 0.02 cents, I've been using exmh for a while and am on one hand very satisfied with it, on the other hand it's handling of mime and html is not good, so I'd be very interested in discussing this topic too. VM doesn't do HTML/MIME very well, although I understand in later

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)

1999-09-09 Thread Bruce A. Mah
If memory serves me right, Marc van Kempen wrote: Hi Nate, Somewhere , theres got to be a nice little email place where Unix people ca n talk about usability and ease of software. Just to toss in my 0.02 cents, I've been using exmh for a while and am on one hand very satisfied

Re: 32+ signals and library versions

1999-09-09 Thread Nate Williams
I strongly disagree. Spitting "unresolved references" is *not* a way to tell the user that he doesn't have the right libraries. I strongly disagree. This is much better than version bump. After all, we can add suggestion to upgrade libraries to the "unresolved references" message.

Re: mbuf shortage situations

1999-09-09 Thread Mike Smith
I would get out of mbufs, increase maxusers. Either my code is less agressive than originally, or something has changed in some of the freebsd releases since then, even slightly to prevent this from currently happening. I'm not sure which. NetBSD also suffers from this problem, and

Re: 32+ signals and library versions

1999-09-09 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: Other OSes started to avoid version bumps. Linux promises to not bump the libc version since glibc2. Yes, we now have a multitude of patches floating around for all those glibc2 binaries that just won't work on glibc2.1. Instead of a simple and intuitive message like

Re: message queues for I/O (usenix paper)

1999-09-09 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 6:44 PM -0700 9/8/99, Justin C. Walker wrote: From the FWIW department, we have, in the Darwin source, an implementation of a "select replacement" that is designed to get around some of the (perceived or real) issues with select(), e.g., looking at a long (FD_SETSIZE or larger) array of bits

damn ATX power supplies...

1999-09-09 Thread Luigi Rizzo
hi, any idea on how to force ATX power supplies to restart after a power outage without having someone press the 'power' button on the front panel ? All the motherboards i can find now have their bios with two options: Disabled no automatic restart on power failure

Re: damn ATX power supplies...

1999-09-09 Thread Mike Smith
any idea on how to force ATX power supplies to restart after a power outage without having someone press the 'power' button on the front panel ? All the motherboards i can find now have their bios with two options: Disabled no automatic restart on power failure You

Re: damn ATX power supplies...

1999-09-09 Thread Vince Vielhaber
On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Luigi Rizzo wrote: hi, any idea on how to force ATX power supplies to restart after a power outage without having someone press the 'power' button on the front panel ? All the motherboards i can find now have their bios with two options: Disabled

Re: message queues for I/O (usenix paper)

1999-09-09 Thread Justin C. Walker
From: Garance A Drosihn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1999-09-09 10:33:59 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: message queues for I/O (usenix paper) In-reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 6:44 PM -0700 9/8/99, Justin C. Walker wrote: From the FWIW

More press

1999-09-09 Thread Chris D. Faulhaber
There is a short but sweet[1] article on ZDNet today regarding FreeBSD: http://www.zdnet.com/zdtv/screensavers/answerstips/story/0,3656,2324624,00.html Not too in-depth, but it gives a good quick overview, calling FreeBSD a true Unix, emphasizing it's history compared to Linux. - Chris D.

Re: More press

1999-09-09 Thread Bill Fumerola
[redirected to -advocacy where this belonged first off] On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Chris D. Faulhaber wrote: There is a short but sweet[1] article on ZDNet today regarding FreeBSD: http://www.zdnet.com/zdtv/screensavers/answerstips/story/0,3656,2324624,00.html Not too in-depth, but it gives a

Re: damn ATX power supplies...

1999-09-09 Thread Peter Wemm
Mike Smith wrote: any idea on how to force ATX power supplies to restart after a power outage without having someone press the 'power' button on the front panel ? All the motherboards i can find now have their bios with two options: Disabled no automatic restart

Re: 32+ signals and library versions

1999-09-09 Thread Dmitrij Tejblum
Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: Other OSes started to avoid version bumps. Linux promises to not bump the libc version since glibc2. Yes, we now have a multitude of patches floating around for all those glibc2 binaries that just won't work on glibc2.1. Instead of a simple and intuitive

Re: 32+ signals and library versions

1999-09-09 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Sheldon Hearn wrote: On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:56:05 CST, Nate Williams wrote: Yes, we shouldn't version bump every time someone has a whim, ending up with 10 version bumps/week, but neither should we avoid them altogether and cause the Linux syndrome of programs refusing to work

Re: 32+ signals and library versions

1999-09-09 Thread Nate Williams
Yes, we shouldn't version bump every time someone has a whim, ending up with 10 version bumps/week, but neither should we avoid them altogether and cause the Linux syndrome of programs refusing to work because they have the *wrong* version of glibc2.3 (or whatever) This is

Re: CS Project

1999-09-09 Thread Chris Costello
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999, Mike Pritchard wrote: I used to work somewhere where we didn't wany any of the users to know anything about any other groups of users processes. We did this by restricting ps to only show other procs that had the same primary group as the person executing ps. Root and

Re: CS Project

1999-09-09 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai
* Daniel O'Connor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [990909 07:15]: On 09-Sep-99 Gustavo V G C Rios wrote: I would not be able to see any other proccess which i am not the owner, top would indicated, only 8 proccess, for this current scenario. Linux already have such a facility! Hack ps and turn off

Re: CS Project

1999-09-09 Thread Narvi
On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Julian Elischer wrote: I think he wants something like an "inverted chroot" (you can see out but others can't see in? (into all facets, e.g. process stats, etc.) It sounds like a "FreeBSD VM", VM taken to mean virtual machine. Anybody in such a 'jar' would not notice

Re: CS Project

1999-09-09 Thread Chris Costello
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999, Narvi wrote: It sounds like a "FreeBSD VM", VM taken to mean virtual machine. Anybody in such a 'jar' would not notice (be able to notice) the existence of others at all. With somedata hiding and given file systems mounted only in such a 'jar' the ones in it would

Re: 32+ signals and library versions

1999-09-09 Thread Dmitrij Tejblum
For what it's worth, I agree with Marcel. Version bumps should be discouraged, but not totally avoided. What is the reason to not avoid the version bump? Carrying around old libraries with older version numbers is *hardly* a burden for the users, and those folks who are running old

Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa (fwd)

1999-09-09 Thread Nicolas Souchu
On Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 05:43:17PM -0700, Amancio Hasty wrote: 3. Needlessly cross-posted (watch your cc lines, loser! :). On a different topic, does anyone know of a good X mailer (currently I am using exmh) : 1. user friendly 2. filtering capability 3. thread topic support Kind of like

Re: 32+ signals and library versions

1999-09-09 Thread Nate Williams
For what it's worth, I agree with Marcel. Version bumps should be discouraged, but not totally avoided. What is the reason to not avoid the version bump? Because if you don't have the latest/greatest library (old machines), newer programs that are compiled against the latest/greatest

Re: How to follow child process in gdb

1999-09-09 Thread Kip Macy
This appears to be an oversight on the developers of gdb's part, but direct from the info page: GDB has no special support for debugging programs which create additional processes using the `fork' function. When a program forks, GDB will continue to debug the parent process and the child

Re: 32+ signals and library versions

1999-09-09 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: Other OSes started to avoid version bumps. Linux promises to not bump the libc version since glibc2. Yes, we now have a multitude of patches floating around for all those glibc2 binaries that just won't work on glibc2.1. Instead of

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)

1999-09-09 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:21:09PM +0200, Markus Stumpf wrote: On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:08:01PM +1000, Andrew Reilly wrote: really easy, with a shell script that's just a case $SENDER It's even "easier" :-) I subscribe new mailing lists (and resubscribed old ones) as [EMAIL

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)

1999-09-09 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Sep 10), Andrew Reilly said: On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:21:09PM +0200, Markus Stumpf wrote: On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:08:01PM +1000, Andrew Reilly wrote: really easy, with a shell script that's just a case $SENDER It's even "easier" :-) I subscribe new mailing

Re: damn ATX power supplies...

1999-09-09 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 10:35:52AM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: Disabled no automatic restart on power failure You _should_ be able to change this. none of them is satisfactory especially for picoBSD things such as routers or firewalls where an UPS is overkill... You

help

1999-09-09 Thread Donna Kean
hi my names donna kean and i'm a 3rd year is student at the australian defence force academy. i'm enrolled in a systems administration course and i have to write an assignment about freebsd gui tools that help sysadmins do their work such as create users, monitor the system etc. i was

Re: 32+ signals and library versions

1999-09-09 Thread Dmitrij Tejblum
Marcel Moolenaar wrote: Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: Other OSes started to avoid version bumps. Linux promises to not bump the libc version since glibc2. Yes, we now have a multitude of patches floating around for all those glibc2 binaries that just

make bug? bin/13039

1999-09-09 Thread Julian Elischer
Can someone who understands make(1) check out bin/13039 specifically the fix would be nice in 3.3 if we can get it (the fix is in the PR) julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Release Canidate

1999-09-09 Thread James E. Housley
On my dual processor I am running old boot blocks and an AOUT kernel. I need the AOUT because I have a lkm device the talks out the parallel port to "Background Debug Module" for a Motorola 68332. I haven't been able to convert it over yet. My code is up to date with cvs-cur.5648.gz (Sept. 9

Re: damn ATX power supplies...

1999-09-09 Thread David Scheidt
On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Andrew Reilly wrote: How is it that BIOS settings can affect this? Do they fiddle with some battery-backed switch on the motherboard? The ATX power supply has a lead or two that are always powered. This allows the machine do softpower on. It also means that the bios

RE: damn ATX power supplies...

1999-09-09 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 09-Sep-99 Luigi Rizzo wrote: any idea on how to force ATX power supplies to restart after a power outage without having someone press the 'power' button on the front panel ? All the motherboards i can find now have their bios with two options: There are no jumpers on the mobo to help

Re: Release Canidate

1999-09-09 Thread Mike Smith
Please word-wrap your messages, as reading them unwrapped is a major nuisance. On my dual processor I am running old boot blocks and an AOUT kernel. I need the AOUT because I have a lkm device the talks out the parallel port to "Background Debug Module" for a Motorola 68332. I haven't been

Re: How to follow child process in gdb

1999-09-09 Thread Assar Westerlund
Zhihui Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your response suggests that I can not achieve the same result simply by using (I am using gdb 4.18): (gdb)set follow-fork-mode child As far as I can tell, `set follow-fork-mode' only works on HP-UX. /assar To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for Ope

1999-09-09 Thread Nate Williams
VM doesn't do HTML/MIME very well, although I understand in later versions of XEmacs they've incorporated some packages that handle things better. (I'm still using XEmacs 19.16, from the dark ages...) Does it do IMAP? It doesn't even do POP, I use fetchmail/procmailrc to get my

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for Ope

1999-09-09 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 10-Sep-99 Nate Williams wrote: Does it do IMAP? It doesn't even do POP, I use fetchmail/procmailrc to get my email, which works *MUCH* better than anything else I've found. Woe is me. Oh well.. back to xfmail :) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software -

Re: 32+ signals and library versions

1999-09-09 Thread Richard Wackerbarth
On Thu, 09 Sep 1999, Nate Williams wrote: I'm more tempted to revert to the major/minor versioning. ELF has no minor revision number (IMO a mistake, but it's not my call). I agree that it is a mistake. However, if you think of "major" changes as different libraries, it does make sense. We

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for Ope

1999-09-09 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 09-Sep-99 Nate Williams wrote: VM doesn't do HTML/MIME very well, although I understand in later versions of XEmacs they've incorporated some packages that handle things better. (I'm still using XEmacs 19.16, from the dark ages...) Does it do IMAP? I have only seen *1* emailer which

Re: Release Canidate

1999-09-09 Thread James E. Housley
Mike Smith wrote: Please word-wrap your messages, as reading them unwrapped is a major nuisance. Sorry, I had turned it off for a specific message and forgot. You should do this soon. I know. But I was barely able to create it the first time. Because nobody is testing using a.out

Re: help

1999-09-09 Thread andrew
On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Donna Kean wrote: hi my names donna kean and i'm a 3rd year is student at the australian defence force academy. i'm enrolled in a systems administration course and i have to write an assignment about freebsd gui tools that help sysadmins do their work such as create

submiting source code ?

1999-09-09 Thread Gustavo V G C Rios
I use freebsd about +- 12 months ago. I have never did any thing serious at kernel level, nor i know anything about kernel desgin. Suppose, i would like to spend time and patience learnig Fbsd internals. If, later, i were able to code something to freebsd, and suppose i do, what (or better, how)

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for Ope

1999-09-09 Thread David Scheidt
On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Daniel O'Connor wrote: Does it do IMAP? I have only seen *1* emailer which does IMAP properly (xfmail) all the others either don't support it at all, or treat IMAP like POP (ie just fetch mail from INBOX). Netscape does, actually. I set up a friend's computer to do

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for Ope

1999-09-09 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 10-Sep-99 David Scheidt wrote: fetch mail from INBOX). Netscape does, actually. I set up a friend's computer to do this, over an ssh-forwarded local port, even. It all more less "Just worked". On a win98 box, even. shudder. Yeah, I forgot to mention Netscape.. OK no mailer with a

Re: submiting source code ?

1999-09-09 Thread Chris Costello
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999, Gustavo V G C Rios wrote: I use freebsd about +- 12 months ago. I have never did any thing serious at kernel level, nor i know anything about kernel desgin. Suppose, i would like to spend time and patience learnig Fbsd internals. If, later, i were able to code

Re: damn ATX power supplies...

1999-09-09 Thread Kris Kirby
Andrew Reilly wrote: I have an ATX system that must be looking for a keyboard-located power switch of some sort. It won't power up unless I unplug the (PS-2) keyboard, and then plug it back in again. That seems as though there's something fairly complicated in the system that _is_ being

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for Ope

1999-09-09 Thread Florent Parent
Nate Williams writes: VM doesn't do HTML/MIME very well, although I understand in later versions of XEmacs they've incorporated some packages that handle things better. (I'm still using XEmacs 19.16, from the dark ages...) Does it do IMAP? It doesn't even do POP, I use

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for Ope

1999-09-09 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 10-Sep-99 Florent Parent wrote: I've been trying different MUAs that would allow me to read my mail under FreeBSD and NT (dual boot laptop) while sharing the same mail folders (shared DOS partition). So far, only VM/Xemacs allowed me to do that. Even Netscape FreeBSD/NT use different

Re: A Challenge

1999-09-09 Thread Brian Mitchell (ISSATL)
I have about 5 years experance with FreeBSD. I am running it at home connected to a cable modem. My server is fairly secure from the outside. I periodically read and act upon the builins from CERT, etc. The box is just going to be running NATD and IPFW, maybe DHCLIENT. Some suggestions:

Re: help

1999-09-09 Thread darren
Hello: One suggestion I have is webmin. Look at www.webmin.com. and i have to write an assignment about freebsd gui tools that help sysadmins do their work Darren Wiebe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for Ope

1999-09-09 Thread David Scheidt
On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Daniel O'Connor wrote: On 10-Sep-99 Florent Parent wrote: I've been trying different MUAs that would allow me to read my mail under FreeBSD and NT (dual boot laptop) while sharing the same mail folders (shared DOS partition). So far, only VM/Xemacs allowed me to

upgrade issue from 2.2.x - 3.2

1999-09-09 Thread Ben Jackson
I just did that upgrade (been with freebsd since 1.1!) and everything seems pretty smooth. I did a 2.2-3.1 upgrade on another machine so I'm probably glossing over some aout issues (mainly that you have to find them and move them into a separate directory). One thing that confused me for

Re: A Challenge

1999-09-09 Thread Nate Williams
The box is just going to be running NATD and IPFW, maybe DHCLIENT. Mr. NT is been told he can try and break-in, crash what ever this box from the internet side. I am asking for links, pointer to make sure this is configured as secure/solid as possible. I will be installing 3.3-STABLE

Re: mbuf shortage situations

1999-09-09 Thread Stas Kisel
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Sep 9 18:10:06 1999 I am creating about 100 icmp sockets, and as they are created, allocate a very large SO_RCVBUF: (void)setsockopt(localstruct-icmp_s, SOL_SOCKET, SO_RCVBUF, (char *)hold, sizeof(hold)); This can be a part of the

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for Ope

1999-09-09 Thread Lutz Albers
--On Freitag, 10. September 1999, 10:56 +0930 Daniel O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09-Sep-99 Nate Williams wrote: VM doesn't do HTML/MIME very well, although I understand in later versions of XEmacs they've incorporated some packages that handle things better. (I'm still using

Sangoma Wanpipe

1999-09-09 Thread Eric A. Griff
Hi all, Sort of off topic, though thought it might bring about some positive response and ideas here... I've successfully avoided a Cisco solution (though not the ADC kentrox one =( ) recently with the Sangoma Wanpipe using FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE (cvsupped last week). Time permitting,

RE: CS Project

1999-09-09 Thread Jason Young
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org]on Behalf Of Daniel O'Connor Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 9:05 PM To: Gustavo V G C Rios Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; ch...@calldei.com Subject: Re: CS Project On

RE: CS Project

1999-09-09 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 09-Sep-99 Jason Young wrote: Hack ps and turn off procfs :) I would think it more appropriate to adjust procfs' permissions in the kernel such that a user couldn't look at processes they don't own, i.e., can't cd or look into /proc/$PIDTHEYDONTOWN. Adding group-read for wheel or

RE: CS Project

1999-09-09 Thread Jason Young
I think the idea (of a procfs ps) was shot down on the lists some time ago because ps needs to retain the ability to look at the process list in a kernel coredump. IMHO that's a lot of messy kvm groveling and associated kernel-to-userland sync dependencies, just to cater to the

RE: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)

1999-09-09 Thread Gennady Sorokopud
Hi! On 09-Sep-99 Andrew Reilly wrote: XFMail isn't acceptable, because I've got 130M of mbox mail boxes in a deep directory hierarchy, and I'd like to keep them that way. The last time I looked at XFMail it insisted on an un-nested mh-directory style of mailbox. Is it still the case? Nope

RE: CS Project

1999-09-09 Thread Jason Young
Some further thoughts before I doze off: allowed to. This should be controlled by sysctls like (placement based on nfs and ffs sysctl placement precedent): Or even a mount option to procfs :) After some thought, I think the mount option idea is best. I hadn't thought of that before.

RE: CS Project

1999-09-09 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 09-Sep-99 Jason Young wrote: After some thought, I think the mount option idea is best. I hadn't thought of that before. One might want to apply different procfs security policies to different mounts of procfs, especially in a jail() situation. Good call. Yeah, you'd have to make sure

Re: CS Project

1999-09-09 Thread Julian Elischer
I think he wants something like an inverted chroot (you can see out but others can't see in? (into all facets, e.g. process stats, etc.) julian On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, Chuck Robey wrote: On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, Gustavo V G C Rios wrote: Dear gentleman, i am a computer science student, and

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)

1999-09-09 Thread Walter Hafner
Nate Williams n...@mt.sri.com writes: Nate: it's a while since I looked at VM on XEmacs. I found its layout cluttered and it's key sequences awkward. How configurable is it, really? Do you use it as it comes out of the box? Really configurable, and no, I don't use it in an

Just mailed authors of USENIX99 event i/o paper

1999-09-09 Thread Jayson Nordwick
I just mailed drusc...@cs.rice.edu to ask about extra information, work, or references that he may have on the event queues paper that he was a coauthor of. Just saying this so other people dont just have about a dozen messages about the same thing. Please notice that this message is going to

mbuf shortage situations

1999-09-09 Thread Stas Kisel
From: bmile...@dsuper.net (Bosko Milekic) Having MGET store that null (e.g. fail as opposed to panic) on a M_WAIT seems fairly easy to fix, and would probably require some patching that would ensure that the packet loss is handeled relatively 'cleanly' (probably some debugging), but I

Re: How to follow child process in gdb

1999-09-09 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 20:19:32 -0400, Zhihui Zhang wrote: I have to use attach and dettach to do so. Does that mean I have to display the pid of the new process in order to follow it. And I have to modify the child process so that it can wait until I can attach to it. That will not be as

Re: 32+ signals and library versions

1999-09-09 Thread Dmitrij Tejblum
Marcel Moolenaar wrote: I suggest to try to avoid the version bump. NetBSD-like way to do it: Give new implementations another names in object files, so that they don't conflict with old implementations, and preserve old implementations in the library too. To make the compiler generate

Re: mbuf shortage situations

1999-09-09 Thread Stas Kisel
From: Darren Reed ava...@coombs.anu.edu.au In some mail from Stas Kisel, sie said: [...] IMHO it is a good idea to develop tcp_drain() from /sys/netinet/tcp_subr.c It should be quite intellectual to select a target - a process or a uid, which does not read properly from it's sockets, and

Re: mbuf shortage situations

1999-09-09 Thread Stas Kisel
From: Darren Reed ava...@coombs.anu.edu.au The problem with this is the BSD TCP/IP implementation ACK's (or at least attempts to ACK) data as soon as it is received and it is a big no-no to discard queued data that has already been ACK'd. Probably it is not self-evident why we HAVE to drop

Re: CS Project

1999-09-09 Thread Chuck Robey
On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Julian Elischer wrote: I think he wants something like an inverted chroot (you can see out but others can't see in? (into all facets, e.g. process stats, etc.) Then maybe he should begin by looking at the work Poul-Henning has done on jail(8) code? Is that what you're

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)

1999-09-09 Thread Marc van Kempen
Hi Nate, Somewhere , theres got to be a nice little email place where Unix people can talk about usability and ease of software. Just to toss in my 0.02 cents, I've been using exmh for a while and am on one hand very satisfied with it, on the other hand it's handling of mime and html

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)

1999-09-09 Thread Markus Stumpf
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:08:01PM +1000, Andrew Reilly wrote: Lots of folk use procmail, but since I'm using qmail as an MTA, I thought I'd see if I could use it's native methods, and it's really easy, with a shell script that's just a case $SENDER block. It's even easier :-) I subscribe new

Re: CS Project

1999-09-09 Thread Mike Pritchard
On Wed, Sep 08, 1999, Gustavo V G C Rios wrote: Dear gentleman, One clear example: No user(but only that ones previous allowed to) should be able to see other users process. This facility have to be done at kernel level, (that's what i think). Define see. Access the memory?

Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)

1999-09-09 Thread Harold Gutch
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:21:09PM +0200, Markus Stumpf wrote: On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:08:01PM +1000, Andrew Reilly wrote: Lots of folk use procmail, but since I'm using qmail as an MTA, I thought I'd see if I could use it's native methods, and it's really easy, with a shell script

Re: Sangoma Wanpipe

1999-09-09 Thread Jim Flowers
I am evaluating both the S508 and S508/FT1 at the present time and have both models running on FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE. Had to add a fourth parameter to one of the function calls in ptpipe.c to get it to compile. They appear easy to turn up and reliable. The PPIPEMON Windows utility is useful

Re: 32+ signals and library versions

1999-09-09 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: Marcel Moolenaar wrote: I suggest to try to avoid the version bump. NetBSD-like way to do it: Give new implementations another names in object files, so that they don't conflict with old implementations, and preserve old implementations in the library too. To

Re: mbuf shortage situations

1999-09-09 Thread Darren Reed
In some mail from Stas Kisel, sie said: From: Darren Reed ava...@coombs.anu.edu.au The problem with this is the BSD TCP/IP implementation ACK's (or at least attempts to ACK) data as soon as it is received and it is a big no-no to discard queued data that has already been ACK'd.

Re: mbuf shortage situations

1999-09-09 Thread Karl Pielorz
Darren Reed wrote: It is evil connection. Good applications do read data from their sockets, and evil ones do not. And ever if it is good, but silly or busy application, good clients do not send so much data that application can not process it. Am I wrong, there are any examples? So

Re: mbuf shortage situations

1999-09-09 Thread Darren Reed
In some mail from Karl Pielorz, sie said: Darren Reed wrote: It is evil connection. Good applications do read data from their sockets, and evil ones do not. And ever if it is good, but silly or busy application, good clients do not send so much data that application can not

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1999-09-09 Thread Branson Matheson
unsubscribe bran...@ferginc.com unsubscribe branson.mathe...@ferginc.com - branson --- Branson Matheson If you are falling off of a mountain, Unix Systems Manager You may as well try to

Re: 32+ signals and library versions

1999-09-09 Thread Dmitrij Tejblum
Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: Marcel Moolenaar wrote: I suggest to try to avoid the version bump. NetBSD-like way to do it: Give new implementations another names in object files, so that they don't conflict with old implementations, and preserve old implementations in the library

Re: mbuf shortage situations

1999-09-09 Thread Jared Mauch
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:45:39PM +0400, Stas Kisel wrote: From: Darren Reed ava...@coombs.anu.edu.au The problem with this is the BSD TCP/IP implementation ACK's (or at least attempts to ACK) data as soon as it is received and it is a big no-no to discard queued data that has already

Re: mbuf shortage situations

1999-09-09 Thread Stas Kisel
From ava...@cheops.anu.edu.au Thu Sep 9 16:17:27 1999 Probably it is not self-evident why we HAVE to drop this connection. So what if someone manages to crash a program due to a DOS attack ? An easy one that comes to mind is syslogd. It's often stuck in disk-wait and can easily be

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