Re: Junior Kernel hacker task: Floppy driver mode handling.

2001-12-11 Thread Alexey Klimov
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Warner Losh writes: > >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > >: 6. Add the "rx50" entry from above to the table to show how simple > >: that is now. > > > >But rx50 also needs some extra p

Re: Junior Kernel hacker task: Floppy driver mode handling.

2001-12-11 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Poul-Henning Kamp writes: : >: 6. Add the "rx50" entry from above to the table to show how simple : >: that is now. : > : >But rx50 also needs some extra processing to handle the software : >interleave. : : I know. : : That doesn't change the fact that our flo

Re: [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD

2001-12-11 Thread Greg Lehey
On Tuesday, 11 December 2001 at 19:42:30 -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: >> Of course. But you're missing the point: ufs is *not* a port, it has >> been with BSD since the beginning. There is a similar list of items >> for JFS which would need to be addressed, with the additional

Re: Junior Kernel hacker task: Floppy driver mode handling.

2001-12-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Warner Losh writes: >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Poul-Henning Kamp writes: >: 6. Add the "rx50" entry from above to the table to show how simple >: that is now. > >But rx50 also needs some extra processing to handle the software >interleave. I know. That d

Re: [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD

2001-12-11 Thread Craig R
I think I would rather see people tweaking the heck out of the existing UFS filesystem and implementing new ways of getting it to go faster. Implementing a whole new filesystem would probably take a lot of work, and the performance wouldn't be much better anyways. IMHO, people interested in ma

Re: Junior Kernel hacker task: Floppy driver mode handling.

2001-12-11 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Poul-Henning Kamp writes: : 6. Add the "rx50" entry from above to the table to show how simple : that is now. But rx50 also needs some extra processing to handle the software interleave. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Re: irq

2001-12-11 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Terry Lambert writes: : Some cards do not have a hardware "I caused an interrupt" register, : and use a differential (e.g. ring head vs. tail inequal after : interrupt) to tell if there is work to do. If these cards were to : share interrupts, then they most likely

Re: irq

2001-12-11 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Danny Braniss writes: : Q: are all interrupt handlers for the shared irq called, or only the :'correct' one? You can't tell which card really interrupted. All of them are called. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-

Re: [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD

2001-12-11 Thread Terry Lambert
Greg Lehey wrote: > Of course. But you're missing the point: ufs is *not* a port, it has > been with BSD since the beginning. There is a similar list of items > for JFS which would need to be addressed, with the additional issue of > the fact that it was not designed for FreeBSD. I maintain tha

Re: [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD

2001-12-11 Thread Greg Lehey
On Tuesday, 11 December 2001 at 1:08:23 -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: >>> FS porting to FreeBSD is actually pretty trivial(*), though some >>> transactioning changes to the FreeBSD VFS layer consumers (the >>> system calls and NFS server code) would be necessary to make >>> the

Re: Tangent for discussion: FreeBSD performs worse that Linux

2001-12-11 Thread D J Hawkey Jr
On Dec 11, at 08:17 PM, Paul Chvostek wrote: > > I currently have the domains mybsd.(com|net|org|biz). If you'd > like the patch database to be associated with any or all of those > domains, I'd be happy to oblige. (The hostname "patch.mybsd.com" > is pretty. ;> ) Indeed. Quite clever. I'll co

Re: Tangent for discussion: FreeBSD performs worse that Linux

2001-12-11 Thread Paul Chvostek
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 05:48:19AM -0600, D J Hawkey Jr wrote: > > No challenge necessary. I, too, believe the general attitude is "Go for it.". > So I'm going to. It won't be much to look at initially - maybe ever - but > I'll bring it up and see what happens. It'll take a few days, but I'll pos

Re: Junior Kernel hacker task: Floppy driver mode handling.

2001-12-11 Thread Kenneth Wayne Culver
I was thinking about looking into it, but I won't have time to start until the 18th. if you wanna do it, go for it, and I'll wait my turn for the next thing I can do in the kernel. :-D Ken On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Andrew R. Reiter wrote: > > Someone already doing this? If not, I'm down. > > On T

Re: [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD

2001-12-11 Thread Josef Karthauser
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 07:58:04PM +, Wayne Pascoe wrote: > Josef Karthauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > It is probably a one man job if that man knows the kernel inside > > and out in these areas, and has the time and energy to see it > > through. I'd suggest that you find a much much

Re: Tangent for discussion: FreeBSD performs worse that Linux

2001-12-11 Thread D J Hawkey Jr
On Dec 11, at 05:52 PM, Michael Lucas wrote: > > > OK, I'll take the addy (what's the convention, initials? Mine are "djhjr"). > > The freebsd.org mailserver is POP3able, right? > > Sorry, I've misspoke here: > > A lot of people volunteer to do this sort of thing, and never really > carry it th

Re: Tangent for discussion: FreeBSD performs worse that Linux

2001-12-11 Thread Michael Lucas
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 03:54:44PM -0600, D J Hawkey Jr wrote: > On Dec 11, at 04:23 PM, Michael Lucas wrote: > NOW what'd I get myself into? The wife is gonna kill me. Well, yes. > > Nope. Just an @freebsd.org mail addy and a coupon for economy-size > > Maalox. Sorry. Put up what you've got.

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Re: Tangent for discussion: FreeBSD performs worse that Linux

2001-12-11 Thread Mike Meyer
D J Hawkey Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> types: > On Dec 11, at 04:23 PM, Michael Lucas wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 03:04:59PM -0600, D J Hawkey Jr wrote: > > > I am rather hoping there's a bunch of packrats lurking in hacker@ that might > > > mail me their backports. It'd make a better initial im

Re: Tangent for discussion: FreeBSD performs worse that Linux

2001-12-11 Thread D J Hawkey Jr
On Dec 11, at 04:23 PM, Michael Lucas wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 03:04:59PM -0600, D J Hawkey Jr wrote: > > I am rather hoping there's a bunch of packrats lurking in hacker@ that might > > mail me their backports. It'd make a better initial impression. > > Let me disabuse you of that not

Re: Tangent for discussion: FreeBSD performs worse that Linux

2001-12-11 Thread Michael Lucas
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 03:04:59PM -0600, D J Hawkey Jr wrote: > I am rather hoping there's a bunch of packrats lurking in hacker@ that might > mail me their backports. It'd make a better initial impression. Let me disabuse you of that notion right now. You're it. Most people in -hackers fall i

Re: Tangent for discussion: FreeBSD performs worse that Linux

2001-12-11 Thread D J Hawkey Jr
On Dec 11, at 07:14 PM, Nik Clayton wrote: > > I meant that any effort you put in is better than none. For example, if > you decide to start producing patches for 4.4 that bring in some > features from -stable (e.g., delayed acks) that's far better than you > not doing it at all. As others have

Re: random + large IRQ's + SMP

2001-12-11 Thread Mark Murray
> What I need to know is when this was fixed (assuming it was). I > tried to look through i386/i386/mem.c, per the messages to find > the fix, but somewhere between when that message was posted and > now random (and a few other things) were ripped out of there and > scattered across several machi

Re: statefulness in character device drivers

2001-12-11 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Poul-Henning Kamp writes: : In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dave R : ufino writes: : : >> Most likely he means a per-open(2) opaque datum that is kept in : >> struct file and passed to the underlying routines. : > : >Sorry, unbelievably bad at explaining myself. Per

Re: Tangent for discussion: FreeBSD performs worse that Linux

2001-12-11 Thread Nik Clayton
On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 03:24:14PM -0600, D J Hawkey Jr wrote: > > Doesn't mean that you need 100% coverage though. If you produce > > something that only gets in 80% of the patches that could be applied > > back that's still better than what we have now. And it makes it easier > > for someone e

Re: system halt

2001-12-11 Thread Chris Dillon
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Dmitry Mottl wrote: > This is from /var/run/dmesg.boot > == > sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 > sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 > sio0: type 8250 > == > > When I write > cu -l /dev/cuaa0 > > system halts (console/network is not working

Re: [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD

2001-12-11 Thread Wayne Pascoe
Josef Karthauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It is probably a one man job if that man knows the kernel inside > and out in these areas, and has the time and energy to see it > through. I'd suggest that you find a much much smaller area to > work on yourself for now though. (Take a look in the

Re: [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD

2001-12-11 Thread Josef Karthauser
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 04:01:04AM -0800, Hiten Pandya wrote: > > but thats only if three of more people are _really_ > interested in porting it... cause as you know... > porting an IBM file system (from looks) is not a > one man job :-) > It is probably a one man job if that man knows the ker

system halt

2001-12-11 Thread Dmitry Mottl
Hi I have problem accessing cuaa0 This is from /var/run/dmesg.boot == sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 8250 == When I write cu -l /dev/cuaa0 system halts (console/network is not working at all) What happens? Ho

Re: Junior Kernel hacker task: Floppy driver mode handling.

2001-12-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "And rew R. Reiter" writes: > >Someone already doing this? If not, I'm down. You won, you're the first one in my inbox :-) Ready ? Steady ? Start! :-) > >On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >: >:There exists a patch for adding a mode to our floppy

Re: SMP beeping

2001-12-11 Thread Chad David
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:12:35AM -0500, Matthew Emmerton wrote: > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Chad David wrote: > > > I sent a message about this to -stable last week, but didn't get any > > input that resulted in a solution to this problem so... > > > > -stable for the last week or more (I did a mak

Re: Junior Kernel hacker task: Floppy driver mode handling.

2001-12-11 Thread Andrew R. Reiter
Someone already doing this? If not, I'm down. On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: : :There exists a patch for adding a mode to our floppy driver to :add DEC RX50 media handling. : :The crucial part of this is the addition of this line: :{ 10,2,0xFF,0x10,80, 800,1,FDC_300KBPS,1,0x

Junior Kernel hacker task: Floppy driver mode handling.

2001-12-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
There exists a patch for adding a mode to our floppy driver to add DEC RX50 media handling. The crucial part of this is the addition of this line: { 10,2,0xFF,0x10,80, 800,1,FDC_300KBPS,1,0x2E,1 }, /* 400K DEC RX50 */ But if one examines the fd.c driver, one cannot help but notice that the

Re: SMP beeping

2001-12-11 Thread Matthew Emmerton
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Chad David wrote: > I sent a message about this to -stable last week, but didn't get any > input that resulted in a solution to this problem so... > > -stable for the last week or more (I did a make world last week for > the first time in over a month) beeps on and off when

Re: sscanf(..., "%lld", ...) broken?

2001-12-11 Thread Bill Fenner
>Is this PR-worthy? Not really; the C99 conformance project is already working on this (in particular, I am working on scanf). Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: Motion for removal of xargs(1) from base system

2001-12-11 Thread Eugene L. Vorokov
> My, is it April 1st already? How quickly time flies! December feels > like it was just yesterday! > > - Jordan Ehe, as far as I can see some people even have taken it seriously :) This probably shows that when you have to read 300 emails/day, your attention slowly but constantly leaves you.

Re: irq

2001-12-11 Thread Terry Lambert
Danny Braniss wrote: > > > It looks like IRQ sharing is the only issue here. > > Q: are all interrupt handlers for the shared irq called, or only the >'correct' one? All interrupt handlers are polled -- asked if they have work to do, on the basis of having caused the interrupt. Some cards d

Re: [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD

2001-12-11 Thread Hiten Pandya
that would be nice i suppose.. :-) BTW, where is this non-GPL code.. i wouldn't mind putting my hands on it and working on it... =Hiten =<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > > OK, I load the kernel from the JFS. I mount the > root FS, whic

Re: [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD

2001-12-11 Thread Terry Lambert
Peter Wemm wrote: > It is not a problem. The *kernel* does not load jfs.ko, it is loader > itself. There is no reason why a trivial non-gpl jfs reader couldn't be > written for boot2 and loader if the need was great enough. Or have /boot > as a seperate file system (eg: UFS or FAT32). We do thi

Re: [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD

2001-12-11 Thread Terry Lambert
Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > OK, I load the kernel from the JFS. I mount the root FS, which > > is a JFS. I read the module "jfs.ko" from the JFS so that I can > > mount the root FS, which is a JFS, so I can read the module "jfs.ko" > > from the JFS so that I can mount the root FS, which is a JFS, s

Re: cable modem connection problem

2001-12-11 Thread S. Aeschbacher
Hiten Pandya wrote: > > >what kind of "mucking" could cause such kind of > >behaviour?. > > this kind of problem did occur to me several times > with NTL (http://ntl.com/) in UK... > > there were installing a Universal Shared Bandwith > Router in their CO (Central Office), after they > installe

Re: cable modem connection problem

2001-12-11 Thread S. Aeschbacher
Lars Eggert wrote: > > S. Aeschbacher wrote: > > This is possible, but I did not verify it (what kind of "mucking" > > could cause such kind of behaviour?). most of them are "better" > > residental pipes. > > Having a packet filter drop your traffic after you haven't done ARP/DHCP > in a whil

Re: KLDs vs static linking

2001-12-11 Thread Danny Braniss
I use them - where possible - when i have the same kernel for different boxes and i can configure the differences via klm's. danny > Hi Folks, > > Hopefully a quick question. > > Is there any reason to prefer KLD modules for drivers etc over static > linking? For example, KLDs are covenient, l

Re: Tangent for discussion: FreeBSD performs worse that Linux

2001-12-11 Thread Michael Lucas
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 05:48:19AM -0600, D J Hawkey Jr wrote: > > J D, you have an idea. > > "D J", actually. But "Dave" or "Hawk" gets my attention faster. Mea culpa. Please blame this on four hours sleep, followed by four hours blindly running Oracle's "adpatch" before the DBAs arrive... P

Re: [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD

2001-12-11 Thread Hiten Pandya
hi, BTW, i am a first timer at porting a file system... if the proffesionals think that it is not wise or useful to port the FS (especially IBM's), it is OK, but, just in case, anyone else (more than three people) would like to port this FS to FreeBSD, my target would be to get it done by Septe

Re: Tangent for discussion: FreeBSD performs worse that Linux

2001-12-11 Thread D J Hawkey Jr
Geez. Don't some of you sleep, either? On Dec 11, at 06:14 AM, Michael Lucas wrote: > > > My current plans are to have several patchfiles, grouped by subject (bugfix > > and/or enhancement), and subordinately grouped by FreeBSD release: > > > > ich_sound-patch-4.2REL.udiff delayed_ack

KLDs vs static linking

2001-12-11 Thread Dragon Fire
Hi Folks, Hopefully a quick question. Is there any reason to prefer KLD modules for drivers etc over static linking? For example, KLDs are covenient, loading and unloading for development but is it a case of using KLD modules for development then building drivers statically into the kernel when

Re: [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD

2001-12-11 Thread Dominic Marks
On Tuesday 11 December 2001 10:26 am, Hiten Pandya wrote: > > [... Hiten want's to GPL'ify FreeBSD ...] > > hi, > first of all, i would like to clear of some point > which > have been taken wrongly. > What mail client do you use? It seems to be playing havoc with your line breaks. > o My Inten

Re: Tangent for discussion: FreeBSD performs worse that Linux

2001-12-11 Thread Michael Lucas
On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 05:32:06PM -0600, D J Hawkey Jr wrote: > Don't get me wrong - I don't expect the same level of support from the > FreeBSD Project than I would from, say, Sybase or Sun. Having said that, > I think FreeBSD's is outstanding, even compared to some other commercial > *cough*Mic

Re: [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD

2001-12-11 Thread Hiten Pandya
> [... Hiten want's to GPL'ify FreeBSD ...] hi, first of all, i would like to clear of some point which have been taken wrongly. o My Intentions were never to GPL'ify FreeBSD :-) o The reason i started this discussion was because i think JFS/JFS2 would be a nice addition to FreeBSD like

Re: irq

2001-12-11 Thread Danny Braniss
> It looks like IRQ sharing is the only issue here. > Q: are all interrupt handlers for the shared irq called, or only the 'correct' one? [...] > But I would still blame software (in particular, the firmware on > your Meteor). > > -- Terry isn't firmware another word for hardware :-)? dan

Re: [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD

2001-12-11 Thread Peter Wemm
Terry Lambert wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: > > Since then, it has become possible for the loader to load modules > > before booting the kernel. This means that, theoretically, it would > > be possible to have a JFS root file system. Given the strong > > opposition to the GPL in some factions of th

Re: [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD

2001-12-11 Thread Maxim Sobolev
Terry Lambert wrote: > > Greg Lehey wrote: > > Since then, it has become possible for the loader to load modules > > before booting the kernel. This means that, theoretically, it would > > be possible to have a JFS root file system. Given the strong > > opposition to the GPL in some factions of

Re: irq

2001-12-11 Thread Terry Lambert
Danny Braniss wrote: > well, if it's not software it must be hardware problem (true or false ?) > the test: > video capture (using a modified meteor driver) > doing full size 24bit colour, the meteor would complain about FIFO errors > (which probably mean that the dma did not finish in tim

Re: [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD

2001-12-11 Thread Terry Lambert
Greg Lehey wrote: > > FS porting to FreeBSD is actually pretty trivial(*), though some > > transactioning changes to the FreeBSD VFS layer consumers (the > > system calls and NFS server code) would be necessary to make > > the journal roll-back function correctly, following a failure. > > > > (*)

Re: irq

2001-12-11 Thread Danny Braniss
well, if it's not software it must be hardware problem (true or false ?) the test: video capture (using a modified meteor driver) doing full size 24bit colour, the meteor would complain about FIFO errors (which probably mean that the dma did not finish in time - correct?) and sometimes, th

Re: [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD

2001-12-11 Thread Terry Lambert
Greg Lehey wrote: > Since then, it has become possible for the loader to load modules > before booting the kernel. This means that, theoretically, it would > be possible to have a JFS root file system. Given the strong > opposition to the GPL in some factions of the FreeBSD project, I don't > se