On Dec 11, at 07:14 PM, Nik Clayton wrote:
> 
> I meant that any effort you put in is better than none.  For example, if
> you decide to start producing patches for 4.4 that bring in some
> features from -stable (e.g., delayed acks) that's far better than you
> not doing it at all.

As others have also said. Yup.

> Don't feel that because you can't do everything you want to do that you
> shouldn't do any of it.  If you get the ball rolling, and become known
> as *the* place to go for extra patches, you'll find that other people 
> start sending you additional patches to include.

Oh, no. I don't have a problem with starting small. I wasn't born 6'0",
after all.

I am rather hoping there's a bunch of packrats lurking in hacker@ that might
mail me their backports. It'd make a better initial impression.

I don't have any pretentions or aspirations of being "the place to go" for
backports. If it happens, it happens.

> Pretty soon we'll get bored of having people ask "Hey, why aren't these
> patches in RELENG_4_4" (or whatever) and we'll corral you in to becoming
> a committer so that you can make this an 'official' part of FreeBSD.

Only if I get BSD daemon badges for my machines, a BSD sweatshirt or cap,
and an "@freebsd.org" mail addy.  :-)

> > > > So far, I've made three patchfiles that can be applied to 4.2REL and 4.3REL.
> > > > Not exactly the repertoire one would need to garner interest and momentum.
> > > 
> > > It's a start.  What's the URL?
> > 
> > You're kidding, right? I only started thinking about doing this yesterday!
> > The patches are sitting right here, in $(HOME)/projects.
> 
> OK.  Well, if you put them up on a web site, we can link to them.  If
> you can think of appropriate other places on the FreeBSD web site to
> mention them then we can do that too.

The page is half-built now. If freebsd.org wants to link to the page (or
any other BSD sites, for that matter) that's OK with me. Linking to the
individual patchfiles pro'lly isn't a good idea.

For those that're interested (and have the time), it's at
    http://www.visi.com/~hawkeyd/freebsd-backports.html
for review/critique. It's only a WIP at this point; please don't do anything
to publicize it. I'll mail hackers@ again when it's done, for final review/
critique.

> N

Let the flaming begin!
Dave

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