Re: Clang: now available from a SVN server near you!

2009-06-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar
So runtime performance is on par with gcc, code size is a bit bigger bigger code=lower performance except benchmarks :) smaller code fits better in cache. so there is still room for optimization in LLVM. and for sure there will be some. Good that FreeBSD will have non-GNU compiler soon :)

Re: Clang: now available from a SVN server near you!

2009-06-09 Thread Ed Schouten
* Pawel Worach pawel.wor...@gmail.com wrote: So runtime performance is on par with gcc, code size is a bit bigger so there is still room for optimization in LLVM. I don't agree on the code size. Code size is comparable. I just did a quick ls through /bin. There also seem to be a lot of cases

sysinstall, GJOURNAL and ZFS

2009-06-09 Thread Dan Naumov
Hello list Let me preface this by saying that I do not have coding knowledge/experience, but I am willing to donate my time to help test things if somebody is already working on this. Hopefully, this will prevent most of the potential feel free to submit patches responses :) Is there any work

Re: sysinstall, GJOURNAL and ZFS

2009-06-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Is there any work going on to make sysinstall recognize and abe able to create and work with GJOURNAL and ZFS? In the days of 1,5-2,0 terabyte harddrives, UFS2 + SoftUpdates simply doesn't cut it anymore, UFS2+SoftUpdates works fine on properly configured UFS2 - and very fast. Why you need

Re: sysinstall, GJOURNAL and ZFS

2009-06-09 Thread Dan Naumov
UFS2+SoftUpdates works fine on properly configured UFS2 - and very fast. Yes, UFS2+SoftUpdates is very fast, however, in the case of a power loss or having to pull the plug on a locked up system, it has a noticeably higher chance of leaving you with an unbootable system than if you were using

Re: sysinstall, GJOURNAL and ZFS

2009-06-09 Thread Vincent Hoffman
On 9/6/09 15:57, Dan Naumov wrote: UFS2+SoftUpdates works fine on properly configured UFS2 - and very fast. Yes, UFS2+SoftUpdates is very fast, however, in the case of a power loss or having to pull the plug on a locked up system, it has a noticeably higher chance of leaving you with an

Re: sysinstall, GJOURNAL and ZFS

2009-06-09 Thread Nick Barkas
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 04:57:30PM +0200, Dan Naumov wrote: UFS2+SoftUpdates works fine on properly configured UFS2 - and very fast. Yes, UFS2+SoftUpdates is very fast, however, in the case of a power loss or having to pull the plug on a locked up system, it has a noticeably higher chance of

Re: sysinstall, GJOURNAL and ZFS

2009-06-09 Thread Scott Ullrich
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Vincent Hoffmanvi...@unsane.co.uk wrote: [snip] That said, there have been a few projects to update/replace/whatever sysinstall, look at the desktopBSD installer (bsdinstaller) and finstall. I'm not sure what the status of either of these 2 are though. I was

Re: sysinstall, GJOURNAL and ZFS

2009-06-09 Thread Scott Ullrich
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Dan Naumovdan.nau...@gmail.com wrote: Great! I am downloading http://snapshots.pfsense.org/FreeBSD_8_0/FreeBSD-20090608-1522-8.0-CURRENT.iso.gz as we speak and will give it a whirl within the next few days. Any plans to do similar snapshot builds of -STABLE? I

Re: sysinstall, GJOURNAL and ZFS

2009-06-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Interestingly in my experience its been the opposite, I've lost a few ext3 filesystems though bad power, same for NTFS (NT4, less so with 200x) but as yet never for ufs2 (fsck has always fixed it.) In worse cases it required manual attention :) UFS is used and improved over 20 years, it's

Re: sysinstall, GJOURNAL and ZFS

2009-06-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar
noticeably higher chance of leaving you with an unbootable system than if you were using Linux with ext3/ext4 or Windows with NTFS. Can you back this up? I cannot recall having ever rendered a FreeBSD system unbootable due to UFS/UFS2 problems after a power failure or I can confirm the

Re: sysinstall, GJOURNAL and ZFS

2009-06-09 Thread Scott Ullrich
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Dan Naumovdan.nau...@gmail.com wrote: What arch are these snapshots, are they amd64 or i386? Speaking of -STABLE snapshots, since they are a more slowly moving target than -CURRENT, 1 snapshot every week or so would definately be enough :) These are i386

Re: sysinstall, GJOURNAL and ZFS

2009-06-09 Thread Dan Naumov
Great! I am downloading http://snapshots.pfsense.org/FreeBSD_8_0/FreeBSD-20090608-1522-8.0-CURRENT.iso.gz as we speak and will give it a whirl within the next few days. Any plans to do similar snapshot builds of -STABLE? - Dan Naumov On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Scott

Re: sysinstall, GJOURNAL and ZFS

2009-06-09 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Dan Naumov wrote: Hello list Let me preface this by saying that I do not have coding knowledge/experience, but I am willing to donate my time to help test things if somebody is already working on this. Hopefully, this will prevent most of the potential feel free to submit patches responses

Re: sysinstall, GJOURNAL and ZFS

2009-06-09 Thread Dan Naumov
What arch are these snapshots, are they amd64 or i386? Speaking of -STABLE snapshots, since they are a more slowly moving target than -CURRENT, 1 snapshot every week or so would definately be enough :) - Dan Naumov On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Scott Ullrichsullr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue,

Re: sysinstall, GJOURNAL and ZFS

2009-06-09 Thread sthaug
Can you back this up? I cannot recall having ever rendered a FreeBSD system unbootable due to UFS/UFS2 problems after a power failure or crash. I once had a problem with snapshots that made background fsck fail and crash the system, but it was fixable by booting single user and running fsck

Re: sysinstall, GJOURNAL and ZFS

2009-06-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar
problem has since been fixed. I've had several cases that needed manual fsck. After I turned off background fsck, the problems stopped. These days background_fsck=NO is a standard part of my rc.conf. and mine. actually snapshots doesn't work on large partitions - could simply crash. that's

RE: sysinstall, GJOURNAL and ZFS

2009-06-09 Thread krad
Hmm I disagree about large fs have large files. We have inherited quite a few mail servers at work with 1 TB + fs. They had 10 of millions of files. When we had a failure and had one reboot it was a nightmare, took ages to fix. Needless to say this is all on a zfs backed nfs filer now thank god I