On Monday 09 July 2012 22:53:14 Doug Barton wrote:
We get it, change is hard.
No, that isn't what I said at all. I was pointing out that there's some
inconsistency between arguing that we need to make things more predictable
for new users, while simultaneously arguing that we should remove
On Monday 09 July 2012 09:34:34 Avleen Vig wrote:
The issue is also one of barrier-to-entry. By removing `dig` and
`host`, I think we're making things unnecessarily more difficult for
people who don't *know* FreeBSD. `dig` and `host` a universally
standard tools for doing DNS lookups. Taking
On Thursday 05 July 2012 20:08:36 Eitan Adler wrote
The system should be optimized for new users by default.
No. People aren't new users for long.This makes a lot more sense:
On Thursday 05 July 2012 19:31:17 Garrett Cooper wrote
Here's a *random* thought to consider. This seems like a
On Thursday 05 July 2012 08:10:17 Warner Losh wrote:
On Jul 4, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Doug Barton wrote:
First, I agree that being able to turn it off should be possible. But I
can't help being curious ... why would you *not* want a feature that
tells you what to install if you type a command
On Thursday 05 July 2012 11:03:32 Doug Barton wrote:
On 07/05/2012 01:28, Peter Jeremy wrote:
On 2012-Jul-05 09:22:25 +0200, Jonathan McKeown
j.mcke...@ru.ac.za wrote:
As for the idea that Linux refugees need extra help to migrate,
that's the sort of thinking that led to things like
On Saturday 09 June 2012 23:29:02 Kevin Oberman wrote:
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Garrett Cooper yaneg...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree that it's not the best configuration in the world, as it
would only work 100% if a machine had proper DNS records or a
definitive hosts file.
On Thursday 07 June 2012 17:00:04 Alexander V. Chernikov wrote:
Hello list!
Since the early days ifconfig(8) has the following functionality:
[hostname in place of literal address]
Moreover, ifconfig em0 some_valid_fqdn/MASK silently ignores it, so you
can't set valid CIDR address using
On Friday 08 June 2012 09:43:25 Alexander V. Chernikov wrote:
On 08.06.2012 11:20, Jonathan McKeown wrote:
On Thursday 07 June 2012 17:00:04 Alexander V. Chernikov wrote:
Hello list!
Since the early days ifconfig(8) has the following functionality:
[hostname in place of literal
On Wednesday 25 April 2012 20:56:22 Greg Larkin wrote:
On 4/25/12 2:09 PM, rank1see...@gmail.com wrote:
# grep sendmail /etc/rc.conf sendmail_enable=NONE # service -e |
grep sendmail /etc/rc.d/sendmail # ps -U root | grep sendmail
/etc/rc.d/sendmail explicitly sets some variables to NO when
On Sunday 31 October 2010 22:44:25 Matthew Dillon wrote:
: and the output produced by dump is not live-accessible whereas a
: snapshot / live filesystem copy is. That makes the dump fairly
: worthless for anything other than catastrophic recovery.
:
:Ever heard of restore -i?
Have you
On Friday 26 February 2010 12:03:42 Garrett Cooper wrote:
FreeBSD is a great system; if there are ways that I can possibly make
it better by adding smart defaults
Be careful about that value judgement. There are certainly ways you can change
it. Not everyone might feel the change is for the
On Tuesday 25 August 2009 22:51:43 Rick C. Petty wrote:
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 04:09:09PM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote:
I usually want to see ps(1) output in easily-read columns. Without width
limits, this can't be guaranteed.
I would strongly object to the complete removal of any
On Tuesday 25 August 2009 15:44:47 Ed Schouten wrote:
* Brian Somers br...@freebsd.org wrote:
I recently closed bin/137647 and had second thoughts after Ivan (the
originator) challenged my reason for closing it.
The suggestion is that ps's -w switch is a strange artifact that can
be
On Thursday 23 July 2009 20:28:52 Lowell Gilbert wrote:
per...@pluto.rain.com writes:
[snip description of shell opening a script, finding a #! line and passing a
file descriptor for the opened script to the intended interpreter
in /dev/fd/, to avoid a race condition where the shell opens the
On Thursday 23 July 2009 07:00:58 per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
DarkSoul darks...@darkbsd.org wrote:
Anthony Pankov wrote:
SGID/SUID bits don't work with shell scripts, do they?
They don't.
[snip description of race condition]
In principle, it should be possible to fix this exposure by
On Thursday 21 May 2009 23:37:20 Nate Eldredge wrote:
Of course all these problems are solved, under any policy, by having more
memory or swap. But overcommit allows you to do more with less.
Or to put it another way, 90% of the problems that could be solved by having
more memory can also be
On Thursday 11 December 2008 10:45:41 Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:37:26 +0200, Jonathan McKeown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While you're enhancing cdboot anyway, can I ask how complicated it
would be to make cdboot serial-console capable? (I'm not a C
programmer, I'm
On Thursday 11 December 2008 14:42:46 Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:52:49 +0200, Jonathan McKeown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
cdboot runs long after the prompt for BIOS setup. I don't think we
can modify cdboot to add serial console support to systems whose BIOS
setup
While you're enhancing cdboot anyway, can I ask how complicated it would be to
make cdboot serial-console capable? (I'm not a C programmer, I'm a sysadmin -
but I'd be prepared to try and look at this myself if no-one else is
interested).
As it stands, the only way I've found to do a
On Friday 05 September 2008 16:39, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
Equally as frustrating, mutt's backtick support will only honour the
first line of input. If a backticked command returns multiple lines,
only the first is read; the rest are ignored. This makes using BSD find
annoying, since find
On Tuesday 12 August 2008 17:51:32 Mike Meyer wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:10:22 +0200 Adrian Penisoara [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Umm, I have used Gentoo and I do not remember having to use
forcestart at the command line...
Ok, given that you 1) want to have both this service if
On Wednesday 13 August 2008 10:40:53 Vincent Hoffman wrote:
Jonathan McKeown wrote:
People keep talking about forcestart.
Unless I'm misunderstanding things horribly, forcestart does exactly that
- forces the service to start regardless of any error that may occur.
The better
On Tuesday 12 August 2008 14:03:30 Adrian Penisoara wrote:
While we're at it, I wish we could leverage the posibility for the
admin to manually start the service at the CLI, no matter whether the
service has been enabled or not -- that is the svc_enable keyword
should have effect only in the
I've picked out one or two of your complaints only.
On Thursday 03 July 2008 00:16, Curtis Penner wrote:
Let us take this further.
Let's compare BSD to the Linux install solutions. Well, lets not, Linux
is so far ahead of BSD. Linux understands the user.
Really? I tried installing Kubuntu
On Monday 12 May 2008 10:38, Anthony Pankov wrote:
Please, can anybody explain what is the problem with BDB (1.86).
Is there known caveats of using BDB? Is there some rules which
guarantee from curruption or it is fully undesirable to use BDB under
high load?
It is important for me because
On Tuesday 26 February 2008 01:06, Alex Zbyslaw wrote:
Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
On 2008-02-23 16:48, M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This knee-jerk reaction against gnu find functionality baffles me.
The changes are trivial and make FreeBSD more compatible. It is such
an obvious
On Sunday 24 February 2008 01:48, M. Warner Losh wrote:
The change absolutely makes sense, and so far none of the arguments
against it are really worth the time to respond to. I'm using
packages not in the ports system. Frankly, the more gratuitous
differences with the gnu tools we have,
[Sorry to break threading - I deleted the thread before deciding to respond. I
can see both sides of this discussion, but I did want to add some hopefully
thought-provoking comments late on a Saturday night].
[M Warner Losh]
From: Mike Meyer mwm-keyword-freebsdhackers2.e313df at mired.org
On Tuesday 19 February 2008 22:27, Marcel Moolenaar wrote:
On Feb 19, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Oliver Fromme wrote:
It will not replace the current text menu (beastie.4th),
so you can still use it on your Hercules monochrome or CGA
machine or with serial console, of course.
This seems to be almost a FAQ judging by the number of open/suspended PRs over
several years, and the enquiry on this list back in March 2007 - but I
haven't been able to find an answer yet.
Looking at /usr/src/usr.bin/passwd/passwd.c, it seems that passwd(1) was
rewritten four years ago to
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