Re: Cyrus vs. UW IMAP (was: Re: I Volunteer)

2002-06-24 Thread Pat Lashley
--On Saturday, June 22, 2002 02:36:44 PM +0200 Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is always the option to use SSL, which is my preference, but unfortunately neither SSL nor SASL have widespread IMAP client support yet. Most IMAP clients I know of support SSL. Outlook,

Re: Cyrus vs. UW IMAP (was: Re: I Volunteer)

2002-06-23 Thread Mike Bristow
On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 02:36:44PM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: On Sat 2002-06-22 (00:06), Chris Dillon wrote: There is always the option to use SSL, which is my preference, but unfortunately neither SSL nor SASL have widespread IMAP client support yet. Most IMAP clients I know of

Re: Cyrus vs. UW IMAP (was: Re: I Volunteer)

2002-06-22 Thread Terry Lambert
Chris Dillon wrote: While I appreciate the positive support of Cyrus, I guess I need to point out that this approach only works if you are willing to send passwords over the wire in plaintext. Yes, but this is the case with any IMAP server and doesn't really have anything to do with

Re: Cyrus vs. UW IMAP (was: Re: I Volunteer)

2002-06-22 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
On Sat 2002-06-22 (00:06), Chris Dillon wrote: Yes, but this is the case with any IMAP server and doesn't really have anything to do with Cyrus in particular. Unlike other IMAP servers, however, Cyrus supports SASL which offers plenty of non-plain-text authentication options, unfortunately

Re: Cyrus vs. UW IMAP (was: Re: I Volunteer)

2002-06-22 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Terry == Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terry Personally, I think SASL should have specified that you Terry crypt(3) the passwords, and then use the resulting hash as Terry the password value for the shared secret on both ends. At Terry least that way, you would not

Re: Cyrus vs. UW IMAP (was: Re: I Volunteer)

2002-06-22 Thread Chris Dillon
On Sat, 22 Jun 2002, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: On Sat 2002-06-22 (00:06), Chris Dillon wrote: Yes, but this is the case with any IMAP server and doesn't really have anything to do with Cyrus in particular. Unlike other IMAP servers, however, Cyrus supports SASL which offers plenty of

Re: Cyrus vs. UW IMAP (was: Re: I Volunteer)

2002-06-22 Thread Terry Lambert
Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: Terry Personally, I think SASL should have specified that you Terry crypt(3) the passwords, and then use the resulting hash as Terry the password value for the shared secret on both ends. At Terry least that way, you would not have to pass cleartext to

Re: Cyrus vs. UW IMAP (was: Re: I Volunteer)

2002-06-21 Thread Lamont Granquist
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: Lamont Granquist wrote: Cyrus imapd is a real pain in the ass to administer local user accounts with though. You mean that it doesn't integrate well with the UNIX credentials system. THe issue here is that Cyrus needs to be able to hook

Re: Cyrus vs. UW IMAP (was: Re: I Volunteer)

2002-06-21 Thread Terry Lambert
Lamont Granquist wrote: Cyrus imapd is a real pain in the ass to administer local user accounts with though. You mean that it doesn't integrate well with the UNIX credentials system. THe issue here is that Cyrus needs to be able to hook create/delete actions on accounts, and UNIX

Re: Cyrus vs. UW IMAP (was: Re: I Volunteer)

2002-06-21 Thread Chris Dillon
On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: It has functionality that can not be implemented without adding to how UNIX does things. Basically, it needs to be able to hook the account constructor/destructor. It's quite simple to integrate Cyrus IMAP with the local system. Cyrus will by

Re: Cyrus vs. UW IMAP (was: Re: I Volunteer)

2002-06-21 Thread Terry Lambert
Chris Dillon wrote: On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: It has functionality that can not be implemented without adding to how UNIX does things. Basically, it needs to be able to hook the account constructor/destructor. It's quite simple to integrate Cyrus IMAP with the local

Re: Cyrus vs. UW IMAP (was: Re: I Volunteer)

2002-06-21 Thread Darren Pilgrim
Terry Lambert wrote: Chris Dillon wrote: It's quite simple to integrate Cyrus IMAP with the local system. Cyrus will by default use the system password database for its authentication, While I appreciate the positive support of Cyrus, I guess I need to point out that this approach only

Re: Cyrus vs. UW IMAP (was: Re: I Volunteer)

2002-06-21 Thread Chris Dillon
On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: Chris Dillon wrote: On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: It has functionality that can not be implemented without adding to how UNIX does things. Basically, it needs to be able to hook the account constructor/destructor. It's quite

Cyrus vs. UW IMAP (was: Re: I Volunteer)

2002-06-20 Thread Terry Lambert
Jason Andresen wrote: Brandon D. Valentine wrote: On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Darren Pilgrim wrote: It's not exactly FreeBSD, but how about rewriting pine and uw-imap? Last I heard they could use a little work. It would have to be a complete reimplementation thanks to the retarded pine

Re: Cyrus vs. UW IMAP (was: Re: I Volunteer)

2002-06-20 Thread Lamont Granquist
Cyrus imapd is a real pain in the ass to administer local user accounts with though. The cyradm program is extremely deficient. Its great if you want to offer people imap e-mail without offering them shell access. For local access, though, there's a higher administrative overhead. I'm back

Re: Cyrus vs. UW IMAP (was: Re: I Volunteer)

2002-06-20 Thread Terry Lambert
Lamont Granquist wrote: Cyrus imapd is a real pain in the ass to administer local user accounts with though. You mean that it doesn't integrate well with the UNIX credentials system. THe issue here is that Cyrus needs to be able to hook create/delete actions on accounts, and UNIX fails to