Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-18 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Kelly Yancey wrote: I admit that they are less common than say 320x240 mode x...but they are linear and don't require any hacking to support from applications which would use graphics modes (unlike the unchained modex modes). I absolutely agree that we should keep the kernel as

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-18 Thread Kelly Yancey
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote: I think you just nailed the problem here. It requires a prohibitive amount of effort to support modex video modes given the return. What I am thinking about is removing the 320x240 mode (since it is impossibly difficult to deal with)...no one is

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-18 Thread Kelly Yancey
On Tue, 18 May 1999, Soren Schmidt wrote: It seems Kelly Yancey wrote: I admit that they are less common than say 320x240 mode x...but they are linear and don't require any hacking to support from applications which would use graphics modes (unlike the unchained modex modes). I

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-18 Thread Andrew Doran
I'm not really sure what practical use there is for using graphics modes to render text (and hence why character cell sizes for graphics modes What if FreeBSD ends up supporting mips or sparc? These machines don't have anything like VGA text modes, and PROM consoles suck. that should be

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-17 Thread Kazutaka YOKOTA
Sorry for not participating in your earlier discussion, I have been kept busy by my work ;- The current VGA driver code won't do much in the graphics mode. It simply switches to a graphics mode when requested, but it has no code to actually write anything to the video buffer in the graphics

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-17 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Kazutaka YOKOTA yok...@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp writes: In that sense, the support for 320x240 mode-X is minimal too. The driver can set up this mode, but has no knowledge or code to write to it. It is entirely up to the userland program to update the video buffer. (And it is true

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-17 Thread Kazutaka YOKOTA
In that sense, the support for 320x240 mode-X is minimal too. The driver can set up this mode, but has no knowledge or code to write to it. It is entirely up to the userland program to update the video buffer. (And it is true that there is very little use to this mode at the moment as we

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-17 Thread Kelly Yancey
On 17 May 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Kazutaka YOKOTA yok...@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp writes: In that sense, the support for 320x240 mode-X is minimal too. The driver can set up this mode, but has no knowledge or code to write to it. It is entirely up to the userland program

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-17 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Kelly Yancey wrote: I think you just nailed the problem here. It requires a prohibitive amount of effort to support modex video modes given the return. What I am thinking about is removing the 320x240 mode (since it is impossibly difficult to deal with)...no one is using it now so

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-17 Thread Kelly Yancey
On Mon, 17 May 1999, Soren Schmidt wrote: It seems Kelly Yancey wrote: I think you just nailed the problem here. It requires a prohibitive amount of effort to support modex video modes given the return. What I am thinking about is removing the 320x240 mode (since it is impossibly

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-17 Thread Kazutaka YOKOTA
I think you just nailed the problem here. It requires a prohibitive amount of effort to support modex video modes given the return. What I am thinking about is removing the 320x240 mode (since it is impossibly difficult to deal with)...no one is using it now so no one would be affected. I would

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-17 Thread Mike Smith
Yes, it can be extended to support all graphics modes (except mode X :-). But, how useful will it be? The VESA 800x600 raster text mode was a kludge for some laptop systems, so it was justifiable. But, how about others? 1024x768 mode can contain only 128 columns if we are to use 8-dot

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-17 Thread Kazutaka YOKOTA
On a slightly related note, I am currently in the process of developing patches to add more useful tweaked modes to the video driver: graphics 720x480, 16 colors (90x30 8x16 character cells) graphics 256x256, 256 colors (32x32 8x8 character cells) graphics 296x220, 256 colors

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-14 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Kelly Yancey kby...@alcnet.com writes: Hmm. I sent this message a few days ago and it has been silently ignored. Should I consider that an OK to extern the get_mode_param function in vga_isa.c? Or should I take that as a mass go ahead, we're not going to commit the code anyway? :( Hmm, well,

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-14 Thread Kelly Yancey
On 14 May 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Kelly Yancey kby...@alcnet.com writes: Hmm. I sent this message a few days ago and it has been silently ignored. Should I consider that an OK to extern the get_mode_param function in vga_isa.c? Or should I take that as a mass go ahead, we're not

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-14 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Kelly Yancey kby...@alcnet.com writes: What I don't get is how the memory is presented to apps using the driver. The best I could think of would be to present it a 256k linear frame buffer with the pixels in order (ie writes to consecutive pixels would result in the driver switching planes),

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-14 Thread Kelly Yancey
On 14 May 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: We already have that (libvgl), though it's in deperate need of maintenance. That what I meant by equivalent ;) Anyway, as you point out, then the modes are really only of use to splash screens (which is a minor feature in and of itself). So

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-14 Thread Brian Feldman
On 14 May 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Kelly Yancey kby...@alcnet.com writes: What I don't get is how the memory is presented to apps using the driver. The best I could think of would be to present it a 256k linear frame buffer with the pixels in order (ie writes to consecutive

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-14 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Kelly Yancey kby...@alcnet.com writes: On 14 May 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: No, actually it has 1536 more pixels :) Mode Q is so named because the frame buffer is a cube of sorts (i.e. 256x256 pixels in 256 colors) Yeah, I've seen the DOS port of snes9x use that. I don't think it has

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-14 Thread Kelly Yancey
On 14 May 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Kelly Yancey kby...@alcnet.com writes: On 14 May 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: No, actually it has 1536 more pixels :) Mode Q is so named because the frame buffer is a cube of sorts (i.e. 256x256 pixels in 256 colors) Yeah, I've seen the

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-14 Thread Mike Smith
To summarize, it seems like a lot of trouble just to get 40 additional scanlines and square pixels on obsolete hardware - anything that doesn't support 'options VESA' was already obsolete five years ago. Unfortunately, it's the trend these days to _not_ support anything at all interesting in

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-14 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Mike Smith wrote: To summarize, it seems like a lot of trouble just to get 40 additional scanlines and square pixels on obsolete hardware - anything that doesn't support 'options VESA' was already obsolete five years ago. Unfortunately, it's the trend these days to _not_ support

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-12 Thread Tommy Hallgren
Hi! I don't know about the others, but I look forward to the functionality you may add. Regards, Tommy --- Kelly Yancey kby...@alcnet.com wrote: Hmm. I sent this message a few days ago and it has been silently ignored. Should I consider that an OK to extern the get_mode_param function in

Re: modex support (again)

1999-05-12 Thread Kelly Yancey
On Wed, 12 May 1999, Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote: Hi, Hmm. I sent this message a few days ago and it has been silently ignored. Should I consider that an OK to extern the get_mode_param function in vga_isa.c? Or should I take that as a mass go ahead, we're not going to commit the code anyway? :(

modex support (again)

1999-05-11 Thread Kelly Yancey
Hmm. I sent this message a few days ago and it has been silently ignored. Should I consider that an OK to extern the get_mode_param function in vga_isa.c? Or should I take that as a mass go ahead, we're not going to commit the code anyway? :( Thanks, Kelly ~kby...@alcnet.com~ FreeBSD -