Matthew Dillon wrote:
interdisciplinary people left in the project. The SMP interactions
that John mentions are not trivial... they would challenge *ME* and
regardless of what people think about my social mores I think most
people would agree that I am a pretty good programmer.
All,
Every FreeBSD release cycle in the past year has hit bumps due to install
floppy problems. This is becoming more and more of a burden on the
Release Engineering Team, as we simply do not have the resources to
constantly battle the floppies.
FreeBSD/i386 is the only port left that generates
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 09:08:38PM +0100, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
The ports freeze seems to last too long with recent releses. Or
maybe it's just I've gotten more involved, but out of the last four
months (2003/09/07-today), ports tree has been completely open
for whopping 28 days.
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 12:35:01AM -0700, Scott Long wrote:
So, this is something to consider before 5.3. After that, we are
stuck with the consequences of whatever we choose (or don't choose) for
the entire 5.x lifespan. I do not cherish the thought of fighting
floppies for another 2-3
: See? I didn't mention DragonFly even once! Ooops, I didn't mention
: DFly twice. oops! Well, I didn't mention it more then twice anyway.
:
:Makes me wonder if some of the solutions proposed by DragonFly could be
:ported to FreeBSD, but I doubt it will be done, since it's more or
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 11:50:59PM -0800 I heard the voice of
Avleen Vig, and lo! it spake thus:
While it is indeed true that most machines since 1997 will support this
CD format, please take in to account:
And, further, some of us don't have (and don't want) CD burners, and even
if we had
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 01:58:11AM -0600, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 11:50:59PM -0800 I heard the voice of
Avleen Vig, and lo! it spake thus:
While it is indeed true that most machines since 1997 will support this
CD format, please take in to account:
And,
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 11:50:59PM -0800 I heard the voice of
Avleen Vig, and lo! it spake thus:
While it is indeed true that most machines since 1997 will support this
CD format, please take in to account:
And, further, some of us don't have
Hi,
Matthew D. Fuller wrote on Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 01:58:11AM -0600:
[..]
And, further, some of us don't have (and don't want) CD burners, and even
if we had 'em, don't want to burn (no pun intended ;) a CD blank just to
install an OS, when we can just (re-)use 2 floppies and do it across the
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 05:23:30PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote:
I would add that I've been running almost exclusively on 5.x
for over a year now (except for one machine which I have not
rebooted in over a year...). There have been some *very*
painful transitions at various times, but once
Hi Matthew and others
I think that we all can find reasons to (or not to) use floppies,
but I don'tthink that was the issue in Scott's mail.
The generational change from 4.x to 5.x where the majority of the
code hasbeen rewritten (in my opinion an extremly healthy sign for any kind of
serious
Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The ports freeze seems to last too long with recent releses. Or
maybe it's just I've gotten more involved, but out of the last four
months (2003/09/07-today), ports tree has been completely open
for whopping 28 days.
I strongly suspect
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 02:05:14AM -0700 I heard the voice of
Scott Long, and lo! it spake thus:
For 5.x we already have a 3rd floppy that is dedicated to modules.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work nearly as well as it should because there
is no way to activate it during the boot sequence; it
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 02:05:14AM -0700 I heard the voice of
Scott Long, and lo! it spake thus:
For 5.x we already have a 3rd floppy that is dedicated to modules.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work nearly as well as it should because there
is no
Hi,
I've got a problem with signal handling and threads.
I've reproduced the problem in a simple code.
Description of program:
install a signal handler SIGINT.
create a thread that do nothing except waiting.
main thread use poll to wait forever [ poll(,,-1) ].
user has too crtl-C to
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 09:45:25PM -0600, Ryan Sommers wrote:
On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 20:29, Nick Rogness wrote:
1) Allow for paid development for a specific bug/feature
- Setup some program that allows users like myself to pay for a
developers time to fix a specific bug.
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2004-01-08 18:33:40 +1100:
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 09:08:38PM +0100, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
Limitations of CVS don't exactly help either. The fact that you need
direct access to the repository to be able to copy a tree with
history (repocopy) as opposed to
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 03:43:55AM -0700, Scott Long wrote:
Well, regardless of how you label it, these floppies still require lots of
care and feeding in order to work. We currently have no way to support
multiple floppies in a convenient way. This can be fixed in a variety
of ways that
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, rmkml wrote:
Hi,
I've got a problem with signal handling and threads.
I've reproduced the problem in a simple code.
Description of program:
install a signal handler SIGINT.
create a thread that do nothing except waiting.
main thread use poll to wait forever [
I'm going to propose a different solution that was brought up about
two years ago (although I can't find it now).
You start with something like the CD boot image mentioned, that is
a 3-5 Meg iso image that basically contains what is now on the
floppies (perhaps with a few more drivers/modules)
At 07:47 PM 1/6/2004, Avleen Vig wrote:
Advocacy is NOT a race
Yes, it is. Linux is where it is today because it grabbed more
buzz, sooner, than BSD.
--Brett Glass
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On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 09:08:38PM +0100, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
The ports freeze seems to last too long with recent releses. Or
maybe it's just I've gotten more involved, but out of the last four
months (2003/09/07-today), ports tree has been completely open
for whopping 28
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 11:09:49AM +0100, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote:
Roman Neuhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The ports freeze seems to last too long with recent releses. Or
maybe it's just I've gotten more involved, but out of the last four
months (2003/09/07-today), ports
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 04:14:51AM -0600, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 02:05:14AM -0700 I heard the voice of
Scott Long, and lo! it spake thus:
For 5.x we already have a 3rd floppy that is dedicated to modules.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work nearly as well as it should
Scott Long wrote:
FreeBSD/i386 is the only port left that generates install floppies.
Their primary purpose is to fascilitate installing FreeBSD on systems
where a CDROM is either not available or is incompatible with the
'Non-Emulated El Torito' boot method that we use on our CDs. Systems that
This is by now old news, but I ws wondering if anyone had allready taken a look
at the RAQ code Sun released under a BSD licence just before christmas.
The source is available at http://open.cobaltqube.org/
THe readme is which is in the tarball looks like this:
23 December 2003
Thank you for
On Thursday 08 January 2004 07:01, Bernd wrote:
Im mostly worried about having more than a single device with address 0.
You can't do this as long as another device gets initialized.
Therefor I thought disabling/enabling the port would be better, but I'm
wrong as the result is be the same.
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 09:39:34AM -0500, Leo Bicknell wrote:
It would require a whole new floppy booter setup, but I can see
other OS projects using something like this as well, so perhaps
some cross work with NetBSD or OpenBSD, or even the Linux camp could
make an open source load an image
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 01:22:38PM +0100, Martin Nilsson wrote:
Are you aware that the FreeBSD CD:s (both 4.9 5.2) are not bootable on
a CD-ROM connected via USB? Both try to boot but hangs somewhere in the
loader. This is on our P4 Supermicro serverboards. As usual Win2K, 2K3
RedHat just
On 6 Jan 2004 at 9:24, Dan Langille wrote:
For some months Chello has denied smtp service from the FreshPorts
mail server. All queries to Chello regarding this matter have gone
unanswered.
$ telnet smtpgate.chello.at 25
Trying 213.46.255.2...
Connected to smtpgate.chello.at.
Escape
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 11:50:59PM -0800 I heard the voice of
Avleen Vig, and lo! it spake thus:
While it is indeed true that most machines since 1997 will support this
CD format, please take in to account:
And, further, some of us don't
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 12:35:01AM -0700, Scott Long wrote:
All,
Every FreeBSD release cycle in the past year has hit bumps due to install
floppy problems. This is becoming more and more of a burden on the
Release Engineering Team, as we simply do not have the resources to
constantly
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 04:36:47PM +, Ceri Davies wrote:
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 12:35:01AM -0700, Scott Long wrote:
All,
Every FreeBSD release cycle in the past year has hit bumps due to install
floppy problems. This is becoming more and more of a burden on the
Release
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 10:52:08AM +0100, Daniel Lang wrote:
Hi,
Matthew D. Fuller wrote on Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 01:58:11AM -0600:
[..]
And, further, some of us don't have (and don't want) CD burners, and even
if we had 'em, don't want to burn (no pun intended ;) a CD blank just to
On Thursday 08 January 2004 07:57 am, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
Now, I'm by no means advocating everybody should get ssh login on
[dnp]cvs.freebsd.org; I just can't wait for the day when FreeBSD
uses a SCM that handles tags and branches efficiently (so that
people can freely
Hi All,
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 12:35:01AM -0700, Scott Long wrote:
All,
Every FreeBSD release cycle in the past year has hit bumps due to install
floppy problems. This is becoming more and more of a burden on the
Release Engineering Team, as we simply do not have the resources to
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 05:56:22PM +0200, Narvi wrote:
And, further, some of us don't have (and don't want) CD burners, and even
if we had 'em, don't want to burn (no pun intended ;) a CD blank just to
install an OS, when we can just (re-)use 2 floppies and do it across the
LAN from a
Need necessitates effort?
- Original Message -
From: Avleen Vig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How you made the jump from I don't want to buy a CD burner to install
FreeBSD to I will be a floppy maintainer I'm not sure. :-)
This e.mail is private
On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 20:19, Robert Watson wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
[1] has core@ considered subversion (devel/subversion)?
Everyone has their eyes wide open looking for a revision control
alternative, but last time it was discussed in detail (a few months
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Ryan Sommers wrote:
On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 20:29, Nick Rogness wrote:
1) Allow for paid development for a specific bug/feature
- Setup some program that allows users like myself to pay for a
developers time to fix a specific bug. The company I work for
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2004-01-07 23:17:31 -0800:
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 09:08:38PM +0100, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
The ports freeze seems to last too long with recent releses. Or
maybe it's just I've gotten more involved, but out of the last four
months (2003/09/07-today),
In a message written on Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 10:35:47AM -0700, Nick Rogness wrote:
Perhaps this could be done through a company that contracts just
FreeBSD developers. I know of no such company. I guess I will
have to be satisfied with -jobs for now.
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Steven Hartland wrote:
Need necessitates effort?
Precicely. Or even more precicely - the RE team provided an alternative
path to eliminating floppy support which they could cope with. It follows
that people who want floppy support should work towards that because the
other
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ryan Sommers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
: I really don't like the idea of making this a policy, or even some
: official part of the project.
It has been going on for years. I've been paid to fix FreeBSD bugs by
my employer and as an independent contractor
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Scott Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
: My offer for a 'floppy
: maintainer' is quite sincere; I hope that someone takes an interest and
: steps up to the challenge.
I think people misunderstand Scott's call here. He's not saying that
the project doesn't
On 2004-01-08 17:29 +, Doug Rabson wrote:
[...]
The three main showstoppers for moving FreeBSD to subversion would be:
1. A replacement for cvsup. Probably quite doable using svnadmin
dump and load.
2. Support for $FreeBSD$ - user-specified keywords are not supported
and won't
please can you give me an example
of mask to SET BLOCK ou UNBLOCK
in both threads (main and run)
in order to make this sample code working ?
thanks a lot.
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Daniel Eischen wrote:
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 08:48:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel Eischen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: rmkml
On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 18:05, Munish Chopra wrote:
On 2004-01-08 17:29 +, Doug Rabson wrote:
[...]
The three main showstoppers for moving FreeBSD to subversion would be:
1. A replacement for cvsup. Probably quite doable using svnadmin
dump and load.
2. Support for
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 02:05:14AM -0700 I heard the voice of
Scott Long, and lo! it spake thus:
For 5.x we already have a 3rd floppy that is dedicated to modules.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work nearly as well as it should because
there
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, rmkml wrote:
please can you give me an example
of mask to SET BLOCK ou UNBLOCK
in both threads (main and run)
in order to make this sample code working ?
man pthread_sigmask
sigset_t set;
sigemptyset(set);
sigsetadd(set, SIGINT);
Brooks Davis wrote:
I think it would be really cool if someone would add a feature to
disk 1 to become a PXE install server. It should be fairly straight
forward other then dealing with sysinstall.
I presume the above means a PXE *client*. This would be cool, but by no
means trivial. I looked
On Thursday 08 January 2004 11:36 am, Ceri Davies wrote:
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 12:35:01AM -0700, Scott Long wrote:
All,
Every FreeBSD release cycle in the past year has hit bumps due to install
floppy problems. This is becoming more and more of a burden on the
Release Engineering
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 10:48:24PM +0200, Diomidis Spinellis wrote:
Brooks Davis wrote:
I think it would be really cool if someone would add a feature to
disk 1 to become a PXE install server. It should be fairly straight
forward other then dealing with sysinstall.
I presume the above
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 03:43:55AM -0700 I heard the voice of
Scott Long, and lo! it spake thus:
Well, regardless of how you label it, these floppies still require lots
of care and feeding in order to work. We currently have no way to
support multiple floppies in a convenient way.
My hope
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 07:36:10AM -0800 I heard the voice of
Avleen Vig, and lo! it spake thus:
If I understand you right..
A floppy boot, which loads the absolutely basic stuff (network drivers,
and some easy way to config the network) and then goes and grabs the
installer would otherwise
At 2:27 AM -0800 2004/01/08, Kris Kennaway wrote:
It's certainly true that we're lacking in build hardware for some
non-i386 platforms (particularly sparc64), and this made it pretty
tricky to build packages for 5.2 on those architectures (a full
sparc64 build takes at least a month). I've
And, further, some of us don't have (and don't want) CD burners, and even
if we had 'em, don't want to burn (no pun intended ;) a CD blank just to
install an OS, when we can just (re-)use 2 floppies and do it across the
LAN from a local FTP mirror, which is as fast as a CD drive anyway.
Brooks Davis wrote:
No, I mean a server. The hard part about using PXE to install a box is
setting up the other box to boot the box your are installing on. It's
not all the difficult, but it require a bit of knowledge, some grunt
work, and a reasionable UNIX-like machine to start from. What
Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 03:43:55AM -0700 I heard the voice of
Scott Long, and lo! it spake thus:
Well, regardless of how you label it, these floppies still require lots
of care and feeding in order to work. We currently have no way to
support multiple floppies in a
Just a thought:
How about everything that hasn't been touched in 3 years gets put into a
special state of closed-believed-dead, everything over 12 months (or
6?) gets the same AFTER an e-mail has been sent out to the originator to
see if the problem still exists?
It's just that way, I think a
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 10:51:53PM +, Paul Robinson wrote:
Just a thought:
How about everything that hasn't been touched in 3 years gets put into a
special state of closed-believed-dead, everything over 12 months (or
6?) gets the same AFTER an e-mail has been sent out to the originator
Paul Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How about everything that hasn't been touched in 3 years gets put into
a special state of closed-believed-dead, everything over 12 months
(or 6?) gets the same AFTER an e-mail has been sent out to the
originator to see if the problem still exists?
The
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 04:10:38PM -0600, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 07:36:10AM -0800 I heard the voice of
Avleen Vig, and lo! it spake thus:
If I understand you right..
A floppy boot, which loads the absolutely basic stuff (network drivers,
and some easy way to
In nuntio [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michel TALON divulgat:
By the way, what's the reason that it is impossible to have just one
floppy which boots FreeBSD kernel, allows to see an unbootable cdrom
and continue installation from here?
I agree. The boot floppy tries to do w a y too much. I think we
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 03:36:42PM -0700 I heard the voice of
Scott Long, and lo! it spake thus:
Unfortunately, there are two problems with this.
Now,
The first is that it runs after the kernel has already booted, so SCSI
devices that are handled by drivers on this floppy won't get probed.
I don't know if anyone is still interested in this topic or not but I just
made some progress today (got sick of not being able to use my
straight through USB cable with FreeBSD). Here's what I've got at
the moment under 4.9-RELEASE.
I went tracing through /usr/src/sys/dev/usb/umodem.c (good old
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 06:36:42PM +0100, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2004-01-07 23:17:31 -0800:
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 09:08:38PM +0100, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
The ports freeze seems to last too long with recent releses. Or
maybe it's just I've gotten more
On Thursday 08 January 2004 18:20, Avleen Vig wrote:
I understand it is difficult to maintain the floppies. I wish I
understood them better :-) Is it not possible to have ftp install
floppies, which do nothing more than simple FTP installations?
It wouldn't make it any easier.
You still need
On Friday 09 January 2004 10:04, Greg Shenaut wrote:
In nuntio [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michel TALON divulgat:
By the way, what's the reason that it is impossible to have just one
floppy which boots FreeBSD kernel, allows to see an unbootable cdrom
and continue installation from here?
I agree.
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 02:04:34PM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote:
*How* does it support all of those sources?
CD/DVD drives need drivers (ATA optimisticly, but quite possibly SCSI),
FTP/NFS need network card support, NFS needs nfsclient.ko
ie this is the exact problem it has now :)
You could
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gary W. Swearingen) writes:
: M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
:
: Ryan Sommers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
: : Something like this might also jeopardize the
: : project's not for profit status.
:
: The project is not a
On Friday 09 January 2004 15:00, Avleen Vig wrote:
onto floppy disks easily so users can grab what they need and use it
instead of having to second guess what sort of hardware they are likely
to be using. IMHO of course 8-)
Now you've got me thinking.
A simple website which lets you
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 03:28:11PM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote:
On Friday 09 January 2004 15:00, Avleen Vig wrote:
onto floppy disks easily so users can grab what they need and use it
instead of having to second guess what sort of hardware they are likely
to be using. IMHO of course 8-)
On Friday 09 January 2004 15:48, Avleen Vig wrote:
Yep,
I suspect mtools is the easiest way to do this..
Something that was suggested in #FreeBSDHelp on EFnet just now:
sysinstall already has the ability to dynamically load modules.
If this is the case, I don't see where the problem is.
people,
the following patch solves this problem. according to the ADM8511
datasheet, a couple of registers need to be set with specific values to
enable the HomePNA PHY on the device. the current aue(4) driver does not
do this, and thus by default the device will only enable the Ethernet PHY.
use the following patch instead of earlier one. earlier patch hardcoded
use of HomePNA PHY and disabled Ethernet PHY. this patch corrects this
behaviour and allows switching between either PHY thru use of the ifconfig
command. this means that the USB dongle can either be used as an Ethernet
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