Re: key=value in rc.conf (was Re: Reading rc.conf from C programs?)

2003-01-03 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
-hackers I got one go ahead, but a I don't see the point from the then-pseudo-maintainer of the rc stuff. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message

Re: Reading rc.conf from C programs?

2003-01-03 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
actually get over the hurdle of not being able to read/edit the configuration automatically. If we'd done it when I originally suggested it in 2000, we'd have tons of excellent tools like thefish already. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Suggestion: usbd.conf uses rc.conf for options

2002-10-28 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
we no longer rely on 'sh', and we can read configuration using any programming language, and/or (even better) back the configuration up with LDAP or whatever. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body

Re: Cyrus vs. UW IMAP (was: Re: I Volunteer)

2002-06-22 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
clients I know of support SSL. Outlook, Outlook Express, Eudora, Netscape, Evolution, mutt, pine, ... Which IMAP clients don't? Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message

Re: Security through obscurity? (was: ssh + compiled-in SKEY support considered harmful?)

2002-04-23 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
people scurrying to patch when the next DoS or exploit comes out. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message

Re: getting rid of sysinstall - Was: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral

2001-07-12 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
intestines ;-) /disclaimer s/python/tcl/, and you're talking about libh. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message

Re: telnet to AF_UNIX sockets [PATCH]

2001-05-24 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
. ;) Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message

Re: SSH Must Die

2001-05-12 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
/dev/urandom. Can you give the output of 'ls -l /dev/*random'? Maybe someone will have something useful to go on from the information above instead of it doesn't work. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers

Re: Jail Pseudo Terminals

2001-02-12 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
aren't present. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-20 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
... It should work exactly like the old cron behaviour, unless the '-b' flag is given. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-20 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
. _Especially_ if you intend to MFC this, since changing this behaviour in a minor release, without a way to have the old behaviour, is almost certainly wrong. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" i

Re: Patch to fix make buildkernel requires full obj directory mistake

2001-01-18 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
onerous a requirement that a buildworld have happened first. The problem then is that the programs aren't built with the correct set of defines and environment. This prevents a forth-less loader, YP-less libc, and so forth. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail

Patch to fix make buildkernel requires full obj directory mistake

2001-01-17 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
BJFORMAT_PATH, since $PATH is made to include the supplied $PATH environment variable in many other places. I'm not willing to make a judgement whether using the supplied OBJFORMAT_PATH is correct in any of those places, but I wish to fix the buildkernel target. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAI

Re: Permissions on crontab..

2001-01-16 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
bably be doing them again, now that my time is more sane. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-11 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
functioning as if the time hadn't changed. The previous behaviour says not to care what changes occur in time whatsoever, and only compare this exact current minute of the waking up to the crontab list, and run those jobs. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-10 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
trators or run FreeBSD"). Again, this change is from OpenBSD. We will synchronise with their changes, and perhaps offer them back a patch to ignore what "ultra leet sysadmins who rely on broken behaviour because people who don't are simply stupid and shouldn't be running FreeBSD anywa

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-10 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
until 5.0; by then we'd have had our own testing for at least one DST change, and OpenBSD's testing for at least 7. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-10 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
o the algorithm used, which has been explained. If there is a problem with it, then that should be determined. My review of it indicates the OpenBSD cron behaviour is very specific, reliable, and obvious. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-09 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
", and the "clueless newbies who ignorantly expect a job scheduled at 2am to not only run, but run only once" can be served too, by default. (Attitude almost entirely feigned to match Doug's) Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab)

2001-01-09 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
is that it is trying to be clever to let people set jobs in their local time, and we get bit because of silly things like DST. It should, of course, be expressed as UTC.) Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe fre

Re: RFC: a CUI controlpanel for FreeBSD

2001-01-05 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
n, there's the documentation project; if you like general hacking, generally hack, and if you like in-depth kernel stuff, I'm sure the kernel people will be happy for more of themselves. (: Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsu

Re: OT: silence as an answer? (was: how to test out cron.c changes?)

2001-01-02 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
in increments and testing whether extra or no jobs are run. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux, Solaris, and NT

2000-12-26 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
out license problems on a "free software only" system. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: cvs commit: src/usr.sbin/pciconf vendors.h pciconf.8 pciconf.c

2000-11-13 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
on that. Cheers, Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: Starting to code

2000-10-18 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
hat passes for "themes". (: End of advertisement. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: Making /etc/defaults/rc.conf a configuration file.

2000-10-05 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
reading our sh-style configuration, which somewhat requires that non-configuration code to disappear. (I should've continued when my suggestion was totally rebuffed last time, but I didn't have the time) Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail

Re: device naming convention

2000-09-18 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
, is available in http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/disks.html Of course, noone reads documentation, so I don't know why I bother. (: Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" i

Re: device naming convention

2000-09-18 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
of FreeBSD? We didn't get rid of raw devices. We got rid of block devices, and kept character devices. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: ether_ifattach() issue

2000-08-06 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
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Re: ether_ifattach() issue

2000-08-06 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
, and thus when ether_ifattach occurs, that's the second time that happens. Of course, I have no idea how the ether_ifattach argument change affects things - I'm just guessing as to why Dennis may be asking. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe:

Re: Berkeley make: evaluations inside for loops

2000-08-03 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
takes "expressions", which can be comparisons (ie, "!=", "=="), which in turn must have a variable on the left hand side. (don't ask me why) Therefore, you should use: .if ${BAZ} == ${FOO} instead. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: /tmp on a ramdisk?

2000-07-30 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
would I realize using /tmp on a ramdisk? CW on this is varied, but the current trend is that /tmp on a md is just a waste of ram, since (basically) everything in /tmp is in ram twice. I think that's MFS, not MD. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED

PR 10548: more userful ifconfig behaviour without args

2000-07-13 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
Hi, There are plenty of PRs languishing without comment in the PR database, and this is one that requires a "implement and close it" or "here's a good reason not to do this, and close it" response. Any takers? Reply-To set to myself. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Cli

Re: PATCH src/etc/root : more-less

2000-07-11 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
' will be in 4.1 and beyond. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: style(9)

2000-06-30 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
as it is a _tab_, and not 2 or 4 or 8 spaces. If you're heading into the margin constantly, you should simplify your code, or break it up into (preferably reusable) functions that perform one task. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail

Re: Anybody working on FreeBSD BIOS?

2000-06-19 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
booting off Linux partitions? I doubt they're replacing a multi-purpose, occasionally not-all-that-clever thing, with a single-purpose very-often not-all-that-clever thing? What 'support' will FreeBSD require in 'linuxbios'? Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Anybody working on FreeBSD BIOS?

2000-06-19 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
On Mon 2000-06-19 (11:45), Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: 'linuxbios' will only support booting off Linux partitions? I doubt they're replacing a multi-purpose, occasionally not-all-that-clever thing, with a single-purpose very-often not-all-that-clever thing? Ah wait, having read a bit more

Re: routing bug(?) persists (PR 16318)

2000-06-15 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
isn't it in 3.4-STABLE yet? It is necessary for the above configuration (or isn't it? I couldn't find The PR number might be useful, if you have it. If it's not in the PR database, then you should submit it. That way we get to lay blame *grin*. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical

Re: routing bug(?) persists (PR 16318)

2000-06-15 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
On Thu 2000-06-15 (14:03), Marinos J . Yannikos wrote: On Thu, Jun 15, 2000 at 01:47:17PM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: The PR number might be useful, if you have it. If it's not in the PR database, then you should submit it. That way we get to lay blame *grin*. Sorry

Re: Remote syslog with a tag ?

2000-06-14 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
that can do this? What syntax do they use? I have a patched version to do this. If anyone is interessted I'm producing diffs. I'm sure many people are interested. Send a PR, or patches to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe

Re: IP prepaid accounting

2000-06-08 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
from any to any oquota 2 uquota 3 (get even slower) ipfw add deny ip from any to any oquota 3 (total stop) (allowing for slower and slower service instead of just two levels) Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: IP prepaid accounting

2000-06-08 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
you can set up your quotas, change the traffic numbers, change the match sets, all without changing your basic firewall rules. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" i

Re: kerneld for FreeBSD

2000-06-07 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
. It would also be useful to be able to update your device driver while running freebsd, without needing to reboot. You can already do this. kldunload the old module, and kldload the new module. Or am I missing something again? Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: kerneld for FreeBSD

2000-06-07 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
though. At the very least, I'd like a probe-only way to find out what devices are available, given a bunch of device driver modules. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: Write-protected floppy crash

2000-06-06 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
', but it does happen, and is copiously documented and mentioned on various mailing lists. It would be nice if you could fix it *grin*. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" i

Re: kerneld for FreeBSD

2000-06-05 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
On Sun 2000-06-04 (23:06), Coleman Kane wrote: Look through /modules... I'm still having problems working out what this will do. Can you explain the differences between the current way of doing things, and what your stuff will conceptually do? Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical

Re: Safe sourcing of rc files

2000-04-26 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
On Wed 2000-04-19 (16:51), Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: I have another idea: We make a sh script named "rcsource" or whatever, which we source when we want to have the rc environment, stealing your code maliciously: /-- sourcercs_sourced_files= sourcercs ( ) { local rc_

3.x - 4.x kernel config converter

2000-03-24 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
might be interested in this - if it works well enough, it might even be useful to put in the tools directory, or integrate it into any 'update' target that may appear. It's at http://people.FreeBSD.org/~nbm/three-to-four-conf.pl Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send

Re: zsh compdef collection for FreeBSD

2000-03-24 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
e back. ncvs could be made much more intelligent, of course. Anyway, enough of that. Time for me to finally learn zsh. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: Is FreeBSD dead ?

2000-03-10 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
code. There's nothing that can be done to prevent it, and you'd basically have FreeBSD again. Walnut Creek doesn't own FreeBSD, so BSDI can't buy FreeBSD via Walnut Creek. So, no, FreeBSD certainly isn't dead. If anything, things will become even more lively! (: Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner

Re: Re/Fwd: freebsd specific search

2000-02-02 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
to answer your question.) Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: question about boot loaders

1999-12-09 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
/boot/i386/README. :-) I wrote up some basic stuff, which doesn't seem quite to describe what you're after, but which may be of use, at http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/boot/ It's intended for the handbook, but I haven't had time since starting my new job to work on it much more. Neil -- Neil Blakey

Re: Update the name of a filesystem (more details)

1999-10-20 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
mountpoint names. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: updating packages automatically, etc.pp.

1999-09-30 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
ed in the return from pkg_version, and you pick up the correct ports directory as a bonus. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: A new package fetching utility, pkg_get

1999-09-27 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
ment, my patches use a -f location option. Plug in those patches Nik has, and you can have intelligent automatic updating (although sometimes you'll clobber your configuration files). Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "un

Re: style question

1999-09-17 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
; return j; } Or, if you really want to, use your other return scheme. In other words, initialize j, probably to 0. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner n...@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message

Re: Please review: rc file changes

1999-09-01 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
education and documentation. I'd also like to advocate the return of the semi-colon; it is underused. (Follow-ups to -chat) Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: Please review: rc file changes

1999-09-01 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
education and documentation. I'd also like to advocate the return of the semi-colon; it is underused. (Follow-ups to -chat) Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner n...@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message

Re: df and procfs

1999-08-26 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
ive a good indication. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: df and procfs

1999-08-26 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
On Thu 1999-08-26 (12:33), Ben Rosengart wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: On Thu 1999-08-26 (12:15), Ben Rosengart wrote: (The man page seems to be in error, though, when it says that "sysctl vfs" tells what kinds of filesystems are available.)

Re: df and procfs

1999-08-26 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner n...@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message

Re: df and procfs

1999-08-26 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
On Thu 1999-08-26 (12:33), Ben Rosengart wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: On Thu 1999-08-26 (12:15), Ben Rosengart wrote: (The man page seems to be in error, though, when it says that sysctl vfs tells what kinds of filesystems are available.) lsvfs should

Re: proposed change for /etc/periodic/* scripts

1999-08-23 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
on a box not here, I'll see if it is up-to-date enough to generate patches, and send them on to help you, if necessary. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner n...@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message

Re: Inetd and wrapping.

1999-06-28 Thread Neil Blakey-Milner
want to run both wrapped and non-wrapped services agree that this is an option, there needn't be a hack to do this sort of thing. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner n...@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message