On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Brian F. Feldman wrote:
RTFM isn't a newby-apparent term. Name it help(1).
Sure it is. Some hapless newbie wanders into #FreeBDS on efnet, and asks
an already answered question. Aside from a kick, and a possible ban,
they're
On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 04:57:08PM -0500, Chris Costello wrote:
On Tue, Jul 6, 1999, Nik Clayton wrote:
There are a couple of ways you could do it. Some of them more optimal
than others.
Executive summary: sgrep is probably your best choice now, which can
can be found at
Bill Fumerola wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Brian F. Feldman wrote:
Thanks! But still, I don't think rtfm is very appropriate... Can we look
for something better, more obvious? Or perhaps it would be in the motd
like /stand/sysinstall is people would need to be aware of this.
it
Put it in the ".login" or /etc/csh.login (etc.) file.
They'll see it every time they log in.
-Mark Taylor
NetMAX Developer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.netmax.com/
Wes Peters wrote:
Bill Fumerola wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Brian F. Feldman wrote:
Thanks! But still, I don't think
On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 04:57:08PM -0500, Chris Costello wrote:
On Tue, Jul 6, 1999, Nik Clayton wrote:
There are a couple of ways you could do it. Some of them more optimal
than others.
Executive summary: sgrep is probably your best choice now, which can
can be found at
On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Brian F. Feldman wrote:
Thanks! But still, I don't think rtfm is very appropriate... Can we look
for something better, more obvious? Or perhaps it would be in the motd
like /stand/sysinstall is people would need to be aware of this.
it can be called anything. the new
Bill Fumerola wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Brian F. Feldman wrote:
Thanks! But still, I don't think rtfm is very appropriate... Can we look
for something better, more obvious? Or perhaps it would be in the motd
like /stand/sysinstall is people would need to be aware of this.
it can
On Wed, Jul 7, 1999, Wes Peters wrote:
Now there's an idea! Someone wanna code up wmrtfm real quick? It should
start an rxvt (if available) or xterm running rtfm on strings that are
dropped onto or pasted into the dock icon.
Wait until someone writes grtfm! GNOME support, panel applet,
Put it in the .login or /etc/csh.login (etc.) file.
They'll see it every time they log in.
-Mark Taylor
NetMAX Developer
mtay...@cybernet.com
http://www.netmax.com/
Wes Peters wrote:
Bill Fumerola wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Brian F. Feldman wrote:
Thanks! But still, I don't think
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From: Alex Zepeda [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:43 AM
To: Chris Costello
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 'rtfm' script
P.S. If you're looking for an easy to use regexp implementation, and
aren't afraid of C++, check out Qt
I'm confused about this script. How does it differ from 'apropos'?
Feeling a little dense,
Doug
--
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nation in the world that has to keep a government four years, no matter
what it does.
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On Tue, Jul 6, 1999, Doug wrote:
I'm confused about this script. How does it differ from 'apropos'?
It differs in that it _uses_ apropos (or 'whatis' if you
specify the -e flag), as well as a Texinfo search, as well as a
FAQ search, using the FAQ pages at http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/.
On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Chris Costello wrote:
On Tue, Jul 6, 1999, Doug wrote:
I'm confused about this script. How does it differ from 'apropos'?
It differs in that it _uses_ apropos (or 'whatis' if you
specify the -e flag), as well as a Texinfo search, as well as a
FAQ search, using
On Tue, Jul 6, 1999, Brian F. Feldman wrote:
RTFM isn't a newby-apparent term. Name it help(1).
That would cause problems with bash users. They already have
a builtin help command.
--
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On a clear disk you can seek forever. -
On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Chris Costello wrote:
On Tue, Jul 6, 1999, Brian F. Feldman wrote:
RTFM isn't a newby-apparent term. Name it help(1).
That would cause problems with bash users. They already have
a builtin help command.
Which can be disabled in the bash port before the next
On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
Which can be disabled in the bash port before the next release...
No, that's a really stupid idea.
Thanks! But still, I don't think rtfm is very appropriate... Can we look
for something better, more obvious? Or perhaps it would be in the motd
I think that whomever actually writes it will get to name it whatever
the hell they way, that's what I think. :)
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, more obvious? Or perhaps it would be in the motd
like /stand/sysinstall is people would need to be aware of this.
I think your logic is faulty here. There are already many adequate
resources in the motd, but your argument for the 'rtfm script' presupposes
that the person has
libperl?
Nick
On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Chris Costello wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 1999, Joe Abley wrote:
On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 05:11:57AM -0500, Chris Costello wrote:
I've been encountering people recently who, for one reason or
another, are unable to find information for themselves
I've added d...@freebsd.org to the distribution list, for obvious reasons.
On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 02:16:36PM -0500, Chris Costello wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote:
I'm in favor of the rtfm script. It's amazing the positive
things that come out of an offhand IRC comment
-Original Message-
From: Alex Zepeda [SMTP:garba...@hooked.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:43 AM
To: Chris Costello
Cc: hack...@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: 'rtfm' script
P.S. If you're looking for an easy to use regexp implementation, and
aren't afraid of C++, check out
I'm confused about this script. How does it differ from 'apropos'?
Feeling a little dense,
Doug
--
On account of being a democracy and run by the people, we are the only
nation in the world that has to keep a government four years, no matter
what it does.
-- Will Rogers
On Tue, Jul 6, 1999, Doug wrote:
I'm confused about this script. How does it differ from 'apropos'?
It differs in that it _uses_ apropos (or 'whatis' if you
specify the -e flag), as well as a Texinfo search, as well as a
FAQ search, using the FAQ pages at http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/.
On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Chris Costello wrote:
On Tue, Jul 6, 1999, Doug wrote:
I'm confused about this script. How does it differ from 'apropos'?
It differs in that it _uses_ apropos (or 'whatis' if you
specify the -e flag), as well as a Texinfo search, as well as a
FAQ search, using
On Tue, Jul 6, 1999, Brian F. Feldman wrote:
RTFM isn't a newby-apparent term. Name it help(1).
That would cause problems with bash users. They already have
a builtin help command.
--
Chris Costelloch...@calldei.com
On a clear disk you can seek forever. -
On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Chris Costello wrote:
On Tue, Jul 6, 1999, Brian F. Feldman wrote:
RTFM isn't a newby-apparent term. Name it help(1).
That would cause problems with bash users. They already have
a builtin help command.
Which can be disabled in the bash port before the next
On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Brian F. Feldman wrote:
RTFM isn't a newby-apparent term. Name it help(1).
Sure it is. Some hapless newbie wanders into #FreeBDS on efnet, and asks
an already answered question. Aside from a kick, and a possible ban,
they're likely to be met with a chorus of rtfm, which in
On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 02:52:08PM -0400, Brian F. Feldman wrote:
On Tue, Jul 6, 1999, Brian F. Feldman wrote:
RTFM isn't a newby-apparent term. Name it help(1).
That would cause problems with bash users. They already have
a builtin help command.
Which can be disabled in the
Which can be disabled in the bash port before the next release...
No, that's a really stupid idea.
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On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
Which can be disabled in the bash port before the next release...
No, that's a really stupid idea.
Thanks! But still, I don't think rtfm is very appropriate... Can we look
for something better, more obvious? Or perhaps it would be in the motd
I think that whomever actually writes it will get to name it whatever
the hell they way, that's what I think. :)
- Jordan
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, more obvious? Or perhaps it would be in the motd
like /stand/sysinstall is people would need to be aware of this.
I think your logic is faulty here. There are already many adequate
resources in the motd, but your argument for the 'rtfm script' presupposes
that the person has
On Tue, Jul 6, 1999, Doug wrote:
Honestly, while this is one of those things that sounds good when
you first start talking about it, in practice I don't see what we gain
from it.
What we gain from it is really simple and can be obtained from
looking at how it operates. It's a
appropriate... Can we look
for something better, more obvious? Or perhaps it would be in the motd
like /stand/sysinstall is people would need to be aware of this.
I think your logic is faulty here. There are already many adequate
resources in the motd, but your argument for the 'rtfm
On Tue, Jul 6, 1999, Nik Clayton wrote:
I've added d...@freebsd.org to the distribution list, for obvious reasons.
On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 02:16:36PM -0500, Chris Costello wrote:
Note that I can't figure out a decent way to search the
Handbook at this point, but I'm open to ideas.
On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 11:55:26AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote:
*Much* simpler is to build a grep-alike that understands structured
documents, but that doesn't care how those documents are structured. This
Perhaps dtags(1) a-la ctags(1).
--
This is my .signature which gets appended to the
Brian F. Feldman wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Chris Costello wrote:
On Tue, Jul 6, 1999, Doug wrote:
I'm confused about this script. How does it differ from 'apropos'?
It differs in that it _uses_ apropos (or 'whatis' if you
specify the -e flag), as well as a Texinfo search,
I'm in favor of the rtfm script. It's amazing the positive
things that come out of an offhand IRC comment.
[ from http://www.emsphone.com/FreeBSD/log.cgi/19990704.txt ]
[15:29] billf tribune: yes, RTFM.
[15:29] billf we need rtfm(1)
[15:30] billf rtfm(1) would search the man pages, FAQ
On Mon, Jul 5, 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote:
I'm in favor of the rtfm script. It's amazing the positive
things that come out of an offhand IRC comment.
[ from http://www.emsphone.com/FreeBSD/log.cgi/19990704.txt ]
[15:33] cmc First it'll search the man pages. Then the handbook
On Mon, Jul 5, 1999, Joe Abley wrote:
On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 05:11:57AM -0500, Chris Costello wrote:
I've been encountering people recently who, for one reason or
another, are unable to find information for themselves when they
have a question on FreeBSD.
I propose an rtfm(1)
On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote:
P.S. If you're looking for an easy to use regexp implementation, and
aren't afraid of C++, check out Qt; if you're looking for more of a
challenge, there's always the need for an rtsl(1) ;)
rtsl(1) = glimpse(1) :
- bill fumerola - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
I've been encountering people recently who, for one reason or
another, are unable to find information for themselves when they
have a question on FreeBSD.
I propose an rtfm(1) command, and I've got some Perl code that
works. If people are interested, I will continue with it, and
write a
On Mon, Jul 5, 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote:
I'm in favor of the rtfm script. It's amazing the positive
things that come out of an offhand IRC comment.
[ from http://www.emsphone.com/FreeBSD/log.cgi/19990704.txt ]
[15:33] cmc First it'll search the man pages. Then the handbook
At that point the converstaion turned to talking about Irish soap carving
and the fact that www.OpenBSD.org doesn't run OpenBSD. I guess I was wrong
about IRC being positive.
Well, you can blame the first bit of surrealism on jkh, the poor fella
has some awful ideas about what the Irish do in
I propose an rtfm(1) command, and I've got some Perl code that
works. If people are interested, I will continue with it, and
write a man page.
[...]
(-s = simple, don't search sections 3, 4, or 9, and 'e' means
'exact', or 'use whatis instead of apropos')
If rtfm(1) is really for newbies
On Mon, Jul 5, 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote:
I propose an rtfm(1) command, and I've got some Perl code that
works. If people are interested, I will continue with it, and
write a man page.
[...]
(-s = simple, don't search sections 3, 4, or 9, and 'e' means
'exact', or 'use whatis instead
On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 05:11:57AM -0500, Chris Costello wrote:
I've been encountering people recently who, for one reason or
another, are unable to find information for themselves when they
have a question on FreeBSD.
I propose an rtfm(1) command, and I've got some Perl code that
On Mon, Jul 5, 1999, Joe Abley wrote:
On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 05:11:57AM -0500, Chris Costello wrote:
I've been encountering people recently who, for one reason or
another, are unable to find information for themselves when they
have a question on FreeBSD.
I propose an rtfm(1)
I've added texinfo searching and made it use fetch(1) instead
for those behind proxies. Is there any word as to whether this
might be imported into the actual tree or if I should just make
it a port?
--
Chris Costelloch...@calldei.com
Machine independent code
The updated version (with support for texinfo searching, and
use of fetch(1)) is availible at
http://www.calldei.com/~chris/rtfm.pl
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On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Chris Costello wrote:
If rtfm(1) is really for newbies and other clueless people, perhaps it
should be made interactive. I mean, this whole idea sounds like it's
geared towards people who wouldn't know what sections 3, 4, or 9 are.
It'll probably have a lot of
On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote:
P.S. If you're looking for an easy to use regexp implementation, and
aren't afraid of C++, check out Qt; if you're looking for more of a
challenge, there's always the need for an rtsl(1) ;)
rtsl(1) = glimpse(1) :
- bill fumerola - bi...@chc-chimes.com -
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