Re: WD Blue 510 SSD and strange write performance (update II)

2024-04-27 Thread mike tancsa
On 3/21/2024 8:46 AM, mike tancsa wrote: summary: WD Blue 510 SSDs when attached to the mpr controller seem to start throwing errors on random disks in the pools (see https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hardware/2024-March/000100.html for examples) after copying and destroying a zfs 20

Re: WD Blue 510 SSD and strange write performance (update)

2024-03-21 Thread mike tancsa
summary: WD Blue 510 SSDs when attached to the mpr controller seem to start throwing errors on random disks in the pools (see https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hardware/2024-March/000100.html for examples) after copying and destroying a zfs 200G dataset with many small files 3 or 4

Re: WD Blue 510 SSD and strange write performance

2024-03-18 Thread mike tancsa
On 3/18/2024 4:59 AM, Christian Weisgerber wrote: mike tancsa: This might be more of a hardware question than anything, but I noticed the drive is fairly fast on initial writes, but dramatically slows down over time with a consistent write. If I wait for 2min, it seems to be back to normal Sou

Re: WD Blue 510 SSD and strange write performance

2024-03-18 Thread Christian Weisgerber
mike tancsa: > This might be more of a hardware question than anything, but I noticed the > drive is fairly fast on initial writes, but dramatically slows down over > time with a consistent write. > If I wait for 2min, it seems to be back to normal Sounds like normal behavior for a drive that ru

Re: WD Blue 510 SSD and strange write performance

2024-03-17 Thread mike tancsa
On 3/17/2024 4:32 AM, Andrea Venturoli wrote: On 3/15/24 19:17, mike tancsa wrote: (da5:mpr0:0:15:0): SCSI sense: UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,0 (Power on, reset, or bus device reset occurred) Hello. I know I'm probably blaming the wrong component, but is your PSU up to the task? How many drives do

Re: WD Blue 510 SSD and strange write performance

2024-03-17 Thread Andrea Venturoli
On 3/15/24 19:17, mike tancsa wrote: (da5:mpr0:0:15:0): SCSI sense: UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,0 (Power on, reset, or bus device reset occurred) Hello. I know I'm probably blaming the wrong component, but is your PSU up to the task? How many drives do you have? Are they power-hungrier than the oth

Re: WD Blue 510 SSD and strange write performance

2024-03-15 Thread mike tancsa
On 3/15/2024 3:09 PM, Karl Denninger wrote: I've got both the Kingston and Micron versions of these in production use and have seen nothing like this at all; they get hit pretty hard too, including release building (both direct and cross-builds) and similar stuff. What firmware are your devic

Re: WD Blue 510 SSD and strange write performance

2024-03-15 Thread Karl Denninger
I've got both the Kingston and Micron versions of these in production use and have seen nothing like this at all; they get hit pretty hard too, including release building (both direct and cross-builds) and similar stuff. On 3/15/2024 2:17 PM, mike tancsa wrote: On 3/14/2024 4:58 PM, Frank Leo

Re: WD Blue 510 SSD and strange write performance

2024-03-15 Thread mike tancsa
On 3/14/2024 4:58 PM, Frank Leonhardt wrote: Sorry - not that deeply into modern SSD (never written a driver for one), but based on my understanding your TRIM theory makes sense to me. I'd try turning it off. It does seem to be an ongoing source of snafus. I did use WD Blue SSDs but I suspect

Re: WD Blue 510 SSD and strange write performance

2024-03-14 Thread Frank Leonhardt
Sorry - not that deeply into modern SSD (never written a driver for one), but based on my understanding your TRIM theory makes sense to me. I'd try turning it off. It does seem to be an ongoing source of snafus. I did use WD Blue SSDs but I suspect they vary quite a bit. I've had rather too man

Re: WD Blue 510 SSD and strange write performance

2024-03-14 Thread mike tancsa
On 3/14/2024 3:56 PM, mike tancsa wrote: On 3/14/2024 3:48 PM, Frank Leonhardt wrote: "CAM status: SCSI Status Error" suggests to me that the drive was just too busy when asked. I'm not saying it's nothing to worry about, but neither am I saying it is. Given enough of them it does cause che

Re: WD Blue 510 SSD and strange write performance

2024-03-14 Thread mike tancsa
On 3/14/2024 3:48 PM, Frank Leonhardt wrote: "CAM status: SCSI Status Error" suggests to me that the drive was just too busy when asked. I'm not saying it's nothing to worry about, but neither am I saying it is. Given enough of them it does cause checksum errors on the test pool unfortunately

Re: WD Blue 510 SSD and strange write performance

2024-03-14 Thread Frank Leonhardt
"CAM status: SCSI Status Error" suggests to me that the drive was just too busy when asked. I'm not saying it's nothing to worry about, but neither am I saying it is.

Re: WD Blue 510 SSD and strange write performance

2024-03-14 Thread Frank Leonhardt
Flash storage is complicated. I doubt there's a huge cache in them, as as it would be volatile it'd be a big no-no for synchronous writes. The OS could cache it, of course. And if you're using ZFS then all bets are off. ZFS guarantees (for POSIX) that a synchronous write goes to non volatile mem

Re: WD Blue 510 SSD and strange write performance

2024-03-14 Thread mike tancsa
On 3/14/2024 2:56 PM, Bob Bishop wrote: Probably (I don’t know for sure) these drives have a RAM write cache and really suck at committing from there to NVM. ZFS doesnt seem to like it, or, possibly something else in addition going on.   I will start to get errors like this (da4:mrsas0:0:2

Re: WD Blue 510 SSD and strange write performance

2024-03-14 Thread Bob Bishop
Hi, > On 14 Mar 2024, at 18:47, mike tancsa wrote: > > This might be more of a hardware question than anything, but I noticed the > drive is fairly fast on initial writes, but dramatically slows down over time > with a consistent write. > > At bootup time, I can blast out a file (UFS2 mount)

WD Blue 510 SSD and strange write performance

2024-03-14 Thread mike tancsa
This might be more of a hardware question than anything, but I noticed the drive is fairly fast on initial writes, but dramatically slows down over time with a consistent write. At bootup time, I can blast out a file (UFS2 mount) #  dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/tmp/junk.bin.`date "+%s"` bs=1m stat