Re: (KAME-snap 4571) Re: KAME SPD bug, please try and confirm ...

2001-05-01 Thread Gunther Schadow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my guess is that you have some issue with routing setup. last time, you had some wacky static routes to help source address selection (i do not really recommend that). do you still have them? if so, please show them to us (to mailing

Re: (KAME-snap 4571) Re: KAME SPD bug, please try and confirm ...

2001-05-01 Thread itojun
my guess is that you have some issue with routing setup. last time, you had some wacky static routes to help source address selection (i do not really recommend that). do you still have them? if so, please show them to us (to mailing list) with in the script.

bridging and link bonding with netgraph

2001-05-01 Thread Shaun Dwyer
Hi all, As I regularly attend lan parties with plenty of people, I thought that i'd give ng_bridge a go as opposed to the kernel bridging. The test box was a P200 with 64MB of ram, network cards were: 2x Intel EtherExpress Pro/100B 1x SMC card with a DC21040 chipset 1x SMC card with a DEC/Intel

Re: (KAME-snap 4581) Re: KAME SPD bug, please try and confirm ...

2001-05-01 Thread itojun
sorry if you felt offended. i really think it is issue in routing table, as multiple SPD configuration works just fine here. still, there's of course a possibility that you have stepped onto some untested code. KAME SNAP kit is, as documented, very experimental

Re: (KAME-snap 4571) Re: KAME SPD bug, please try and confirm ...

2001-05-01 Thread Lars Eggert
Gunther Schadow wrote: I would shut up. But so far I have not seen proof for a complex VPN setup with KAME that does work. We use our X-Bone software (http://www.isi.edu/xbone/) to frequently create and remove complex overlays (tens of nodes in various topologies) with dynamic routing and

Re: (KAME-snap 4582) Re: KAME SPD bug, please try and confirm ...

2001-05-01 Thread itojun
sorry if you felt offended. i really think it is issue in routing table, as multiple SPD configuration works just fine here. still, there's of course a possibility that you have stepped onto some untested code. KAME SNAP kit is, as documented, very experimental

Re: (KAME-snap 4582) Re: KAME SPD bug, please try and confirm ...

2001-05-01 Thread Gunther Schadow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry if you felt offended. i really think it is issue in routing table, as multiple SPD configuration works just fine here. still, there's of course a possibility that you have stepped onto some untested code. KAME SNAP kit is, as

The future of ALTQ, IPsec IPFILTER playing together ...

2001-05-01 Thread Gunther Schadow
Hi, at the risk of flooding the net with my thoughtbubbles: I (eventually) need to use ALTQ, IPsec and IPFILTER alltogether on one FreeBSD set-top box machine (PicoBSD). And I'm afraid of interactions or mutual exclusions of these packages. I did make IPsec and IPFILTER work together (that is, I

Re: The future of ALTQ, IPsec IPFILTER playing together ...

2001-05-01 Thread Lars Eggert
Gunther Schadow wrote: However, I am afraid that ALTQ is not supported on gif pseudo-devices as it seems that ALTQ wants to deal with things like DMA etc, i.e., real NIC hardware. ALTQ kicks in at the boundary between network and link layer - basically, it replaces the send queue of an

Re: The future of ALTQ, IPsec IPFILTER playing together ...

2001-05-01 Thread Gunther Schadow
Lars Eggert wrote: The bad news is that all the gif device does is prepend another IP header, and call ip_output(). Which means that it has no outgoing queue to which you could apply ALTQ to. ugh, so that means ALTQ can't be used on the GIF tunnel. The only way to still use ALTQ is if the

Re: The future of ALTQ, IPsec IPFILTER playing together ...

2001-05-01 Thread Lars Eggert
Gunther Schadow wrote: Another unknown to me is whether the GIF tunnel will copy the TOS bits into the wrapper, and so, I can't use ALTQ at all. If it does not currently, this, at least, should be simple to add. I just hope that in the future we will end up with a *consistent* set of

Re: (KAME-snap 4587) The future of ALTQ, IPsec IPFILTER playing together ...

2001-05-01 Thread Gunther Schadow
Gunther Schadow wrote: [snip] ... to make things even more complicated, we also have the berkeley packet filter (BPF) mechanism. Heck! How could so many things evolve that all do essentially the same thing? The interesting thing about the BPF mechanism is that it is very generic. Filter rules

Re: The future of ALTQ, IPsec IPFILTER playing together ...

2001-05-01 Thread Rémi Guyomarch
On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 05:42:53PM +, Gunther Schadow wrote: ... However, I am afraid that ALTQ is not supported on gif pseudo-devices as it seems that ALTQ wants to deal with things like DMA etc, i.e., real NIC hardware. IIRC you can put a bandwidth limiter on a virtual interface (this

Re: The future of ALTQ, IPsec IPFILTER playing together ...

2001-05-01 Thread Gunther Schadow
Rémi Guyomarch wrote: IIRC you can put a bandwidth limiter on a virtual interface (this is even the only solution to use ALTQ on tun or ppp devices) and thus provide a queue which can be managed by ALTQ. Aha! A Light! How is that done? Can you give more specifics? Thanks, I appreciate it!

Re: The future of ALTQ, IPsec IPFILTER playing together ...

2001-05-01 Thread Luigi Rizzo
So, I was going to use ALTQ at the remote site to give priority to outgoing camera control, and audio and to downgrade the outgoing video to the small bandwidth that remains. ... I believe that this is a major obstacle right now that will fail my project. Instead I will have to revert

Re: The future of ALTQ, IPsec IPFILTER playing together ...

2001-05-01 Thread Lars Eggert
Gunther Schadow wrote: Lars, what was your rationale for inventing the ip-tun package? We wrote it a few years back for FreeBSD-3.X, to support X-Bone when no KAME was installed (3.X did not have KAME code merged yet.) I hear there are issues with it under 4.X due to a changed device model, but

Re: The future of ALTQ, IPsec IPFILTER playing together ...

2001-05-01 Thread Darren Reed
In some email I received from Gunther Schadow, sie wrote: [...] As an added benefit, the two network interfaces tun0 and fxp0 allow me to cope with the limited power of IPFILTER's NAT rules (as compared to IPFW). What is so limiting about NAT in IPFilter ? AFAIK, apart from packet matching

Re: (KAME-snap 4587) The future of ALTQ, IPsec IPFILTER playing together ...

2001-05-01 Thread Darren Reed
In some email I received from Gunther Schadow, sie wrote: Gunther Schadow wrote: [snip] to make things even more complicated, we also have the berkeley packet filter (BPF) mechanism. Heck! How could so many things evolve that all do essentially the same thing? The interesting thing

Re: The future of ALTQ, IPsec IPFILTER playing together ...

2001-05-01 Thread Gunther Schadow
Darren Reed wrote: In some email I received from Gunther Schadow, sie wrote: [...] As an added benefit, the two network interfaces tun0 and fxp0 allow me to cope with the limited power of IPFILTER's NAT rules (as compared to IPFW). What is so limiting about NAT in IPFilter ?

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Re: The future of ALTQ, IPsec IPFILTER playing together ...

2001-05-01 Thread Terry Lambert
You wrote: ] O.K. I've investigated some more tunneling options based on ] my reading that ALTQ supports the tun0 device. Here is what ] I came up with so far: ] ] 0) KAME IPsec tunnel mode: +STANDARD, +KAME, -ALTQ based on TOS only, ]-doesn't work for me yet, +Cisco interoperable (at least

Re: (KAME-snap 4593) Re: The future of ALTQ, IPsec IPFILTER playing together ...

2001-05-01 Thread itojun
WAY A: CONTINUE TIGHT KERNEL-COUPLING - KAME IPsec, ALTQ and IPfilter's rules engine to be combined into one classifier. - IPFILTER --- IPSEC --- ALTQ to be placed in this order of processing (on outgoing packets) - IPSEC to make sure the packet labels attached by the classifier are

Re: (KAME-snap 4591) Re: [altq 806] The future of ALTQ, IPsec IPFILTER playing together ...

2001-05-01 Thread itojun
Yes, this makes your lives very difficult, I understand. However, I also understand that you kind of prefer working with IPFILTER because IPFILTER is available for all *BSDs regardless of what other filtering stuff is also available for those. Therefore, I have migrated to IPFILTER and I have

Re: (KAME-snap 4580) Re: KAME SPD bug, please try and confirm ...

2001-05-01 Thread Shoichi Sakane
If I am doing things wrong, please advise how to do them right, or refer me to the documentation that does tell this (of course I read the KAME newsletter, setkey man page and much other stuff, including several VPN HOWTO documents that *ALL* use the gif-tunnel hack!) just make sure, IIRC,

Re: [altq 806] The future of ALTQ, IPsec IPFILTER playingtogether ...

2001-05-01 Thread Kenjiro Cho
Gunther Schadow wrote: However, I understand that ALTQ works in the data link layer at the interface to the NIC. IPsec, however, works above that layer, even before the IPFILTER rules (on outgoing packets.) So, we have the following pipe IPSEC - IPFILTER --- ALTQ the problem

Re: The future of ALTQ, IPsec IPFILTER playing together ...

2001-05-01 Thread Julian Elischer
Rmi Guyomarch wrote: On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 07:28:42PM +, Gunther Schadow wrote: Rmi Guyomarch wrote: IIRC you can put a bandwidth limiter on a virtual interface (this is even the only solution to use ALTQ on tun or ppp devices) and thus provide a queue which can be managed

Re: (KAME-snap 4587) The future of ALTQ, IPsec IPFILTER playing together ...

2001-05-01 Thread Julian Elischer
Darren Reed wrote: In some email I received from Gunther Schadow, sie wrote: Gunther Schadow wrote: [snip] to make things even more complicated, we also have the berkeley packet filter (BPF) mechanism. Heck! How could so many things evolve that all do essentially the same