Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-22 Thread Bryan Drewery
On 9/21/2014 6:53 PM, Michelle Sullivan wrote: Michelle Sullivan wrote: Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hi all, The ports tree has been modified to only support pkg(8) as package management system for all supported version of FreeBSD. if you were still using pkg_install (pkg_* tools) you

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-03 Thread Mathieu Arnold
+--On 2 septembre 2014 13:47:32 +0200 Michelle Sullivan miche...@sorbs.net wrote: | Marcus von Appen wrote: | Alban Hertroys haram...@gmail.com: | | | I can totally understand that at some point it starts to get | impossible to maintain two separate packaging systems and I understand | that you

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-03 Thread Michelle Sullivan
Mathieu Arnold wrote: I still don't see what you have to say about what EOL mean, it's *End Of Life* meaning after, it is dead, and won't exist any more. Ahh so all those Windows XP servers are dead and don't work anymore... -- Michelle Sullivan http://www.mhix.org/

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-03 Thread Michelle Sullivan
Tom Evans wrote: On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Michelle Sullivan miche...@sorbs.net wrote: Tom Evans wrote: On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Michelle Sullivan miche...@sorbs.net wrote: I think portsnap should provide 'stable' - tested, known working, security patched...

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-03 Thread Michelle Sullivan
Mathieu Arnold wrote: +--On 3 septembre 2014 16:36:29 +0200 Michelle Sullivan miche...@sorbs.net wrote: | Mathieu Arnold wrote: | I still don't see what you have to say about what EOL mean, it's *End Of | Life* meaning after, it is dead, and won't exist any more. | | | Ahh so all those

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-03 Thread Mathieu Arnold
+--On 3 septembre 2014 17:17:48 +0200 Michelle Sullivan miche...@sorbs.net wrote: | Mathieu Arnold wrote: | +--On 3 septembre 2014 16:36:29 +0200 Michelle Sullivan | miche...@sorbs.net wrote: | | Mathieu Arnold wrote: | | I still don't see what you have to say about what EOL mean, it's *End | | Of

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-03 Thread Lars Engels
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 05:17:48PM +0200, Michelle Sullivan wrote: Mathieu Arnold wrote: +--On 3 septembre 2014 16:36:29 +0200 Michelle Sullivan miche...@sorbs.net wrote: | Mathieu Arnold wrote: | I still don't see what you have to say about what EOL mean, it's *End Of | Life* meaning

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-03 Thread Rainer Duffner
Am 03.09.2014 um 17:15 schrieb Michelle Sullivan miche...@sorbs.net: I learned that the ports tree was being updated so much that things would break every day in just 580 packages I have. I have to ask, why you had to build from the HEAD of the ports tree every day? I never do this. I

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-03 Thread Michelle Sullivan
Rainer Duffner wrote: Am 03.09.2014 um 17:15 schrieb Michelle Sullivan miche...@sorbs.net mailto:miche...@sorbs.net: I learned that the ports tree was being updated so much that things would break every day in just 580 packages I have. I have to ask, why you had to build from the HEAD

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-02 Thread Julian Elischer
On 9/1/14, 7:59 PM, Michelle Sullivan wrote: Julian Elischer wrote: You should try arguing with someone like Bank of Americas security and operations department You work for the same company as me? in a past life, they were a customer. some day about whether they want to suddenly upgrade

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-02 Thread Julian Elischer
On 9/1/14, 8:03 PM, Andrew Berg wrote: On 2014.09.01 21:39, Julian Elischer wrote: sigh.. when are we as a project, all going to learn that reality in business is that you often need to install stuff that is old. Its not always your choice. The custommers require it.. You should try arguing

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-02 Thread Alban Hertroys
On 2 September 2014 11:08, Julian Elischer jul...@freebsd.org wrote: On 9/1/14, 8:03 PM, Andrew Berg wrote: On 2014.09.01 21:39, Julian Elischer wrote: sigh.. when are we as a project, all going to learn that reality in business is that you often need to install stuff that is old. Its not

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-02 Thread Robert Backhaus
On 2 September 2014 13:30, Michelle Sullivan miche...@sorbs.net wrote: Andrew Berg wrote: On 2014.09.01 22:09, Michelle Sullivan wrote: That's my point - there was a patch waiting to submit that knowingly broke pkg_install at midnight on the day after the EOL... the EOL shouldn't be an

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-02 Thread Marcus von Appen
Alban Hertroys haram...@gmail.com: On 2 September 2014 11:08, Julian Elischer jul...@freebsd.org wrote: On 9/1/14, 8:03 PM, Andrew Berg wrote: On 2014.09.01 21:39, Julian Elischer wrote: sigh.. when are we as a project, all going to learn that reality in business is that you often need to

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-02 Thread Michelle Sullivan
Marcus von Appen wrote: Alban Hertroys haram...@gmail.com: I can totally understand that at some point it starts to get impossible to maintain two separate packaging systems and I understand that you think 2 years is enough time to shake things out, but software vendors aren't that quick.

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-02 Thread David Chisnall
On 2 Sep 2014, at 12:47, Michelle Sullivan miche...@sorbs.net wrote: I'm not happy that the EOL was not actually an EOL and it was actually a deadline. I'm not sure what you think the difference is. The EOL says 'the FreeBSD project no longer supports this configuration'. If you are not

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-02 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Marcus von Appen m...@freebsd.org wrote: It also should be noted that everyone had enough time to raise those issues in the time between tthe announcement and now If this is an issue that needed to be brought up, then FreeBSD has apparently never before been

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-02 Thread Bryan Drewery
On 9/1/2014 9:27 PM, Michelle Sullivan wrote: oh and what was it, 1.3.6 - 1.3.7? broke shit... (badly) ... What broke? I am not aware of any new regressions in 1.3.7. -- Regards, Bryan Drewery signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-02 Thread Marcus von Appen
Brandon Allbery allber...@gmail.com: On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Marcus von Appen m...@freebsd.org wrote: It also should be noted that everyone had enough time to raise those issues in the time between tthe announcement and now If this is an issue that needed to be brought up, then

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-02 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Sep 2, 2014, at 4:47, Michelle Sullivan miche...@sorbs.net wrote: Marcus von Appen wrote: Alban Hertroys haram...@gmail.com: I can totally understand that at some point it starts to get impossible to maintain two separate packaging systems and I understand that you think 2 years is

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-02 Thread Michelle Sullivan
Garrett Cooper wrote: On Sep 2, 2014, at 4:47, Michelle Sullivan miche...@sorbs.net wrote: Marcus von Appen wrote: Alban Hertroys haram...@gmail.com: I can totally understand that at some point it starts to get impossible to maintain two separate packaging systems and I

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-02 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Michelle Sullivan miche...@sorbs.net wrote: This is my only option - however, I suspect I'm already f**ked - my build servers kicked off at 4am and the non pkg jails automatically converted themselves to pkg.. the pkg jails obviously continued... however I now

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-02 Thread Michelle Sullivan
Brandon Allbery wrote: On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Michelle Sullivan miche...@sorbs.net wrote: This is my only option - however, I suspect I'm already f**ked - my build servers kicked off at 4am and the non pkg jails automatically converted themselves to pkg.. the pkg jails

[HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-01 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
Hi all, The ports tree has been modified to only support pkg(8) as package management system for all supported version of FreeBSD. if you were still using pkg_install (pkg_* tools) you will have to upgrade your system. The simplest way is cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/pkg make install then run

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-01 Thread Michelle Sullivan
Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hi all, The ports tree has been modified to only support pkg(8) as package management system for all supported version of FreeBSD. if you were still using pkg_install (pkg_* tools) you will have to upgrade your system. The simplest way is cd

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-01 Thread Sam Fourman Jr.
And for the portsnap users? In short, this change doesn't directly effect portsnap users. Portsnap is a tool that used to obtain a copy of the ports tree. Portsnap is only one way, another way to get a copy of the ports tree is by using subversion and checking it out by using the svn

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-01 Thread Michelle Sullivan
Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: And for the portsnap users? In short, this change doesn't directly effect portsnap users. Sure about that? Portsnap is a tool that used to obtain a copy of the ports tree. try this: portsnap fetch update cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/pkg make install If you

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-01 Thread Chuck Burns
On Tuesday, September 02, 2014 3:51:31 AM Michelle Sullivan wrote: Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: And for the portsnap users? In short, this change doesn't directly effect portsnap users. Sure about that? Portsnap is a tool that used to obtain a copy of the ports tree. try this:

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-01 Thread Andrew Berg
On 2014.09.01 20:51, Michelle Sullivan wrote: And for the portsnap users? In short, this change doesn't directly effect portsnap users. Sure about that? I'm sure of it. Your issue is with the tree itself, not the tool used to fetch it. Correct, take a 9.2 install disk, install it,

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-01 Thread Julian Elischer
On 9/1/14, 6:39 PM, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: And for the portsnap users? In short, this change doesn't directly effect portsnap users. Portsnap is a tool that used to obtain a copy of the ports tree. Portsnap is only one way, another way to get a copy of the ports tree is by using subversion

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-01 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 03:51:31AM +0200 I heard the voice of Michelle Sullivan, and lo! it spake thus: Correct, take a 9.2 install disk, install it, portsnap and then install pkg on it... Oh wait, you can't.. pkg_install is broken, and 9.2 install disks don't have pkg in the BaseOS So

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-01 Thread Michelle Sullivan
Andrew Berg wrote: On 2014.09.01 20:51, Michelle Sullivan wrote: And for the portsnap users? In short, this change doesn't directly effect portsnap users. Sure about that? I'm sure of it. Your issue is with the tree itself, not the tool used to fetch

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-01 Thread Julian Elischer
On 9/1/14, 7:16 PM, Andrew Berg wrote: On 2014.09.01 20:51, Michelle Sullivan wrote: And for the portsnap users? In short, this change doesn't directly effect portsnap users. Sure about that? I'm sure of it. Your issue is with the tree itself, not the tool used to fetch it.

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-01 Thread Michelle Sullivan
Julian Elischer wrote: You should try arguing with someone like Bank of Americas security and operations department You work for the same company as me? some day about whether they want to suddenly upgrade 300 machines for no real reason (from their perspective). -- Michelle Sullivan

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-01 Thread Andrew Berg
On 2014.09.01 21:39, Julian Elischer wrote: sigh.. when are we as a project, all going to learn that reality in business is that you often need to install stuff that is old. Its not always your choice. The custommers require it.. You should try arguing with someone like Bank of Americas

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-01 Thread Andrew Berg
On 2014.09.01 21:27, Michelle Sullivan wrote: Actually it's an inconvenience for someone like me and you. Not for many freebsd users, and certainly not for me 6 months ago if I hadn't been writing my own ports oh and what was it, 1.3.6 - 1.3.7? broke shit... (badly) ... There were

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-01 Thread Michelle Sullivan
Andrew Berg wrote: On 2014.09.01 21:27, Michelle Sullivan wrote: Actually it's an inconvenience for someone like me and you. Not for many freebsd users, and certainly not for me 6 months ago if I hadn't been writing my own ports oh and what was it, 1.3.6 - 1.3.7? broke shit...

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-01 Thread yaneurabeya
On Sep 1, 2014, at 20:02, Andrew Berg aberg...@my.hennepintech.edu wrote: On 2014.09.01 21:27, Michelle Sullivan wrote: Actually it's an inconvenience for someone like me and you. Not for many freebsd users, and certainly not for me 6 months ago if I hadn't been writing my own ports oh

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-01 Thread Andrew Berg
On 2014.09.01 22:09, Michelle Sullivan wrote: That's my point - there was a patch waiting to submit that knowingly broke pkg_install at midnight on the day after the EOL... the EOL shouldn't be an EOL - because it was really a 'portsnap after this date before you upgrade and you're screwed it

Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool

2014-09-01 Thread Michelle Sullivan
Andrew Berg wrote: On 2014.09.01 22:09, Michelle Sullivan wrote: That's my point - there was a patch waiting to submit that knowingly broke pkg_install at midnight on the day after the EOL... the EOL shouldn't be an EOL - because it was really a 'portsnap after this date before you