On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 01:21:40PM +0200, Ulrich Spörlein wrote:
A user should not care, if not installing headers for package X solves
a conflict, do it! But please don't make it a default to not install
headers because 3% of the FreeBSD system builders might find it
useful.
Exactly my
...@freebsd.org; Baptiste Daroussin; Fernando Apesteguía
Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] Staging, packaging and more
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2013/10/4 Bryan Drewery br...@shatow.net:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 09:01:58AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:57:53AM +0200, Erwin Lansing wrote
Pascal Schmid pas...@lechindianer.de schrieb:
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On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Ulrich Spörlein u...@freebsd.org
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2013/10/4 Bryan Drewery br...@shatow.net:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 09:01:58AM
+1
Jov
blog: http:amutu.com/blog http://amutu.com/blog
2013/10/8 Mathias Picker mathias.pic...@virtual-earth.de
Pascal Schmid pas...@lechindianer.de schrieb:
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On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Bernhard Fröhlich wrote:
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:20
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 02:20:21PM +0200, Ulrich Spörlein wrote:
2013/10/4 Bryan Drewery br...@shatow.net:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 09:01:58AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:57:53AM +0200, Erwin Lansing wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:32:59AM +0200, Baptiste
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote:
Concerning the fact that you need a couple of new packages to be able to
actually build something out github or whatever, this is a developer problem
and
doing pkg install gtk2-dev is not complicated at all.
While
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 12:38:22PM +0300, Andrew W. Nosenko wrote:
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote:
Concerning the fact that you need a couple of new packages to be able to
actually build something out github or whatever, this is a developer
On 2013-Oct-08, 10:47, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
[snip]
- Lots of people complained about pkg-config being a run dep. But if we are
consistent every single port bring .pc files should then run depend on
pkg-config because .pc files are useless without pkg-config.
This is nonsense. So
2013/10/8 Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org:
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 02:20:21PM +0200, Ulrich Spörlein wrote:
2013/10/4 Bryan Drewery br...@shatow.net:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 09:01:58AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:57:53AM +0200, Erwin Lansing wrote:
On
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 01:21:40PM +0200, Ulrich Spörlein wrote:
2013/10/8 Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org:
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 02:20:21PM +0200, Ulrich Spörlein wrote:
2013/10/4 Bryan Drewery br...@shatow.net:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 09:01:58AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 11:57:43AM +0200, Miroslav Lachman wrote:
I don't think it's about building ports. It's about the list of what I
need to have installed and maintained on our systems. And with this
split to more packages, then the list will grow and tracking of changes
and
Apesteguía
Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] Staging, packaging and more
Importance: Low
2013/10/4 Bryan Drewery br...@shatow.net:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 09:01:58AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:57:53AM +0200, Erwin Lansing wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:32:59AM +0200
On 10/04/2013 17:29, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 02:22:52PM +0200, Miroslav Lachman wrote:
I really like the current state with full packages. Disk space is cheap,
full packages is default for whole FreeBSD existence and it is easy to
maintain the system with it. If I want
2013/10/4 Bryan Drewery br...@shatow.net:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 09:01:58AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:57:53AM +0200, Erwin Lansing wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:32:59AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Please no devel packages.
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Ulrich Spörlein u...@freebsd.org wrote:
2013/10/4 Bryan Drewery br...@shatow.net:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 09:01:58AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:57:53AM +0200, Erwin Lansing wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:32:59AM +0200,
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2013/10/4 Bryan Drewery br...@shatow.net:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 09:01:58AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04,
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Sent: Sunday, 6 October 2013 11:20 PM
To: Bryan Drewery
Cc: po...@freebsd.org; Baptiste Daroussin; Fernando Apesteguía
Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] Staging
Bernhard Fröhlich writes:
I also don't see why we need to optimize our packages for an embedded
environment that is usually very customized. Wouldn't it make more
sense to provide some proper port / packaging options/flags that help
to optimize size of the packages without touching header
Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 02:22:52PM +0200, Miroslav Lachman wrote:
Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:00:43AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 04/10/2013 07:32, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On the other ends, that makes the package fat for embedded
Am Samstag, den 05.10.2013, 11:57 +0200 schrieb Miroslav Lachman:
Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 02:22:52PM +0200, Miroslav Lachman wrote:
Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:00:43AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 04/10/2013 07:32, Baptiste Daroussin
Is it possible to eliminate the pain to maintain make-config
switchable plist entries?
Maybe with a AUTO_PLIST=yes or something like that, firstly install
everything to ${STAGEDIR}${PREFIX} then move everything to ${PREIX}?
this is similar to homebrew, except for that homebrew ln -s everything
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 11:57:43AM +0200, Miroslav Lachman wrote:
Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 02:22:52PM +0200, Miroslav Lachman wrote:
Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:00:43AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 04/10/2013 07:32, Baptiste
Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Hi all,
I want to give to all porters infomations on the rationnale behind all the
changes,
to explain why some things has happened, the rationale behind what we still need
to do to get the ports tree into a modern binary world.
1/ Staging
You may has notice that
On, Thu Oct 03, 2013, Fernando Apesteguía wrote:
El 03/10/2013 22:41, Marcus von Appen m...@freebsd.org escribió:
On, Thu Oct 03, 2013, Nathan Whitehorn wrote:
On 10/03/13 07:17, Andriy Gapon wrote:
on 03/10/2013 11:48 Baptiste Daroussin said the following:
This also allows lots
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:18:33AM +0200, Marcus von Appen wrote:
On, Thu Oct 03, 2013, Fernando Apesteguía wrote:
El 03/10/2013 22:41, Marcus von Appen m...@freebsd.org escribió:
On, Thu Oct 03, 2013, Nathan Whitehorn wrote:
On 10/03/13 07:17, Andriy Gapon wrote:
on
On 04/10/2013 07:32, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On the other ends, that makes the package fat for embedded systems, that also
makes some arbitrary runtime conflicts between packages (because they both
provide the same symlink on the .so, while we could live with 2 version at
runtime), that
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:57:53AM +0200, Erwin Lansing wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:32:59AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Please no devel packages.
Seconded.
What's wrong with devel packages?
It complicates things for developers and custom software on
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:00:43AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 04/10/2013 07:32, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On the other ends, that makes the package fat for embedded systems, that
also
makes some arbitrary runtime conflicts between packages (because they both
provide the same symlink
On 2013-10-04 08:18, Marcus von Appen wrote:
On, Thu Oct 03, 2013, Fernando Apesteguía wrote:
El 03/10/2013 22:41, Marcus von Appen m...@freebsd.org escribió:
On, Thu Oct 03, 2013, Nathan Whitehorn wrote:
On 10/03/13 07:17, Andriy Gapon wrote:
on 03/10/2013 11:48 Baptiste Daroussin said
On 04/10/2013 08:05, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:00:43AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 04/10/2013 07:32, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On the other ends, that makes the package fat for embedded systems, that
also
makes some arbitrary runtime conflicts between packages
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:57:53AM +0200, Erwin Lansing wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:32:59AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Please no devel packages.
Seconded.
What's wrong
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Cc: po...@freebsd.org; Fernando Apesteguía
Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] Staging, packaging and more
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 09:01:58AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:57:53AM +0200, Erwin Lansing wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:32:59AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Please no devel packages.
Seconded.
What's wrong with devel
Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:00:43AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 04/10/2013 07:32, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On the other ends, that makes the package fat for embedded systems, that also
makes some arbitrary runtime conflicts between packages (because they both
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 02:22:52PM +0200, Miroslav Lachman wrote:
Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:00:43AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 04/10/2013 07:32, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On the other ends, that makes the package fat for embedded systems, that
also
makes
Am Freitag, den 04.10.2013, 06:12 -0500 schrieb Bryan Drewery:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 09:01:58AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:57:53AM +0200, Erwin Lansing wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:32:59AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Please no
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Mathias Picker
mathias.pic...@virtual-earth.de wrote:
Am Freitag, den 04.10.2013, 06:12 -0500 schrieb Bryan Drewery:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 09:01:58AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:57:53AM +0200, Erwin Lansing wrote:
On Fri, Oct
on 03/10/2013 11:48 Baptiste Daroussin said the following:
This also allows lots of new features to come:
- Allow to create sub-packages
- Allow to create debuginfo packages.
I'd like to mention a few other possibilities along the same lines:
- doc packages
- examples packages
- devel packages
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 09:50:22AM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote:
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 5:17 AM, Andriy Gapon a...@freebsd.org wrote:
on 03/10/2013 11:48 Baptiste Daroussin said the following:
This also allows lots of new features to come:
- Allow to create sub-packages
- Allow to
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 5:17 AM, Andriy Gapon a...@freebsd.org wrote:
on 03/10/2013 11:48 Baptiste Daroussin said the following:
This also allows lots of new features to come:
- Allow to create sub-packages
- Allow to create debuginfo packages.
I'd like to mention a few other
Hi,
I have question do we really need to build *doc packages every time or we
can download prebuilded documentation for stable ports?
There's two versions of documentation distributed separately for most
ports: doc-source and doc-builded. And there's very few situations when
we really need build
On, Thu Oct 03, 2013, Nathan Whitehorn wrote:
On 10/03/13 07:17, Andriy Gapon wrote:
on 03/10/2013 11:48 Baptiste Daroussin said the following:
This also allows lots of new features to come:
- Allow to create sub-packages
- Allow to create debuginfo packages.
I'd like to mention a few
El 03/10/2013 22:41, Marcus von Appen m...@freebsd.org escribió:
On, Thu Oct 03, 2013, Nathan Whitehorn wrote:
On 10/03/13 07:17, Andriy Gapon wrote:
on 03/10/2013 11:48 Baptiste Daroussin said the following:
This also allows lots of new features to come:
- Allow to create
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