On 10/31/2014 1:56 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Hi all,
tijl@ spotted an interesting point, distinfo and pkg-descr files files
convenient are taking a lot of space for free, we can reduce the size of the
while ports tree by a factor 2 by simply merging them into one of the other
files
On 11/4/2014 3:21 PM, Chris H wrote:
IMHO sorting out all the pkg(8) issues still at large, would be more
prudent use of time, and resources. Just saying.
+1
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On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote:
Hi all,
tijl@ spotted an interesting point, distinfo and pkg-descr files files
convenient are taking a lot of space for free, we can reduce the size of the
while ports tree by a factor 2 by simply merging them into
On Fri, 7 Nov 2014 09:08:28 + Bartek Rutkowski ro...@freebsd.org wrote
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote:
Hi all,
tijl@ spotted an interesting point, distinfo and pkg-descr files files
convenient are taking a lot of space for free, we can
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Chris H bsd-li...@bsdforge.com wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2014 09:08:28 + Bartek Rutkowski ro...@freebsd.org wrote
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote:
Hi all,
tijl@ spotted an interesting point, distinfo and pkg-descr
On Fri, 7 Nov 2014 19:32:25 +0100 Bartek Rutkowski ro...@freebsd.org wrote
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Chris H bsd-li...@bsdforge.com wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2014 09:08:28 + Bartek Rutkowski ro...@freebsd.org
wrote
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org
On 11/07/14 10:32, Bartek Rutkowski wrote:
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Chris H bsd-li...@bsdforge.com wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2014 09:08:28 + Bartek Rutkowski ro...@freebsd.org wrote
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org
wrote:
Hi all,
tijl@ spotted an
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Jeffrey Bouquet via freebsd-ports
freebsd-ports@freebsd.org wrote:
On 11/07/14 10:32, Bartek Rutkowski wrote:
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Chris H bsd-li...@bsdforge.com wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2014 09:08:28 + Bartek Rutkowski ro...@freebsd.org wrote
On
I've been following this discussion with growing alarm.
A similarly elevated tone conversation led to dougb@
(the portmaster author) leaving the project a few years
back, when pkg was first introduced. I think the project
has lost as a result.
As a user, I see and appreciate the initiative and
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014, at 03:24, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean here.
I've systems where I install 99% of packages
from official repo servers, and then rebuild
1% from ports where the default options are
no good for me. Is this not supported?
Or do you mean something
On Nov 6, 2014 8:26 PM, Mark Felder f...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014, at 03:24, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean here.
I've systems where I install 99% of packages
from official repo servers, and then rebuild
1% from ports where the default options are
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 22:26:07 -0600 Mark Felder f...@freebsd.org wrote
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014, at 03:24, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean here.
I've systems where I install 99% of packages
from official repo servers, and then rebuild
1% from ports where the default
On 11/6/2014 8:35 PM, Freddie Cash wrote:
I know there was talk about it in the recent past, but has the export the
svn revision of the ports tree used to build packages feature been added
to the repo metadata? That would eliminate a lot of the issues associated
with mixing ports and packages,
:
Subject: Re: Reducing the size of the ports tree (brainstorm v2)
To: Matthias Andree matthias.and...@gmx.de
Cc: Tijl Coosemans t...@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Ports
freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2014, 5:59 PM
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at
5:39 PM, Matthias Andree matthias.and
Chris H bsd-li...@bsdforge.com writes:
Difficult to tell for sure. I haven't examined the [UFS/ZFS] source
to know for sure. Be valuable info. :)
Reading source not required: start with man newfs; note blocksize and
frag-size.
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 07:26:01 -0500 Lowell Gilbert
freebsd-ports-lo...@be-well.ilk.org wrote
Chris H bsd-li...@bsdforge.com writes:
Difficult to tell for sure. I haven't examined the [UFS/ZFS] source
to know for sure. Be valuable info. :)
Reading source not required: start with man
Darren Pilgrim wrote:
The issue of 512b sector storage media going underlies this discussion.
Whether the block size or fragment size is 512b or 512k it still seems
trivial given drive capacities.
What's missing here is a business case. Would it be worth all the
refactoring that myself and
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014, at 10:16, Roger Marquis wrote:
Was a time when FreeBSD was believed to be a more stable and compatible
platform than Linux. Of course all that backwards compatibility was
thrown out the window with this year's make and pkg updates, which made
management at my business
Mark Felder wrote:
Here's the lifecycle of a typical pre-pkgng server:
1) Install FreeBSD
2) Install your ports/packages
3) Server is in production
4) Attempt to update ports/packages
5) Disaster is now waiting to happen
Perhaps typical for you but everywhere I've worked has had a much easier
On 11/05/14 13:30, Mark Felder wrote:
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014, at 10:16, Roger Marquis wrote:
Was a time when FreeBSD was believed to be a more stable and compatible
platform than Linux. Of course all that backwards compatibility was
thrown out the window with this year's make and pkg updates,
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014, at 18:01, Jeffrey Bouquet wrote:
On 11/05/14 13:30, Mark Felder wrote:
- duplicate packages registered in pkg_info
I could simply /bin/rm -rf the duplicate subdirectory.
Your're treating the symptom not the problem. This solves nothing and
leaves potentially
On 11/05/14 16:42, Mark Felder wrote:
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014, at 18:01, Jeffrey Bouquet wrote:
On 11/05/14 13:30, Mark Felder wrote:
- duplicate packages registered in pkg_info
I could simply /bin/rm -rf the duplicate subdirectory.
Your're treating the symptom not the problem. This solves
On Mon, 3 Nov 2014 21:24:38 +0100 Tijl Coosemans t...@freebsd.org wrote
On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 09:22:09 +0100 Matthias Andree matthias.and...@gmx.de
wrote: Am 31.10.2014 um 19:56 schrieb Baptiste Daroussin:
Hi all,
tijl@ spotted an interesting point, distinfo and pkg-descr files files
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 13:21:31 -0800 Chris H bsd-li...@bsdforge.com wrote
On Mon, 3 Nov 2014 21:24:38 +0100 Tijl Coosemans t...@freebsd.org wrote
On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 09:22:09 +0100 Matthias Andree matthias.and...@gmx.de
wrote: Am 31.10.2014 um 19:56 schrieb Baptiste Daroussin:
Hi all,
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014, Chris H wrote:
gpart(8) -a gives you what you need. If it's truly as bad as all that,
mounting the ports tree on a 512k aligned slice will reduce the slack
you appear to be referring to. zfs(8) also has this ability.
Not alignment, but filesystem block size. But that can
On 11/4/2014 2:28 PM, Chris H wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 13:21:31 -0800 Chris H bsd-li...@bsdforge.com wrote
gpart(8) -a gives you what you need. If it's truly as bad as all that,
mounting the ports tree on a 512k aligned slice will reduce the slack
ahem...
that was s/512k/512b/g
The issue
Am 03.11.2014 um 21:24 schrieb Tijl Coosemans:
Other tools won't change anything. It's the file system that would
have to change which is not going to happen. When the ports tree was
created disks were much smaller and file systems were better (still not
good) at storing small files. Today
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 16:16:09 -0700 (MST) Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014, Chris H wrote:
gpart(8) -a gives you what you need. If it's truly as bad as all that,
mounting the ports tree on a 512k aligned slice will reduce the slack
you appear to be referring to.
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Matthias Andree matthias.and...@gmx.de
wrote:
Am 03.11.2014 um 21:24 schrieb Tijl Coosemans:
Other tools won't change anything. It's the file system that would
have to change which is not going to happen. When the ports tree was
created disks were much
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014, Chris H wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 16:16:09 -0700 (MST) Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014, Chris H wrote:
gpart(8) -a gives you what you need. If it's truly as bad as all that,
mounting the ports tree on a 512k aligned slice will reduce the slack
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 20:29:44 -0700 (MST) Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014, Chris H wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 16:16:09 -0700 (MST) Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com
wrote
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014, Chris H wrote:
gpart(8) -a gives you what you need. If it's truly as bad
Am 31.10.2014 um 19:56 schrieb Baptiste Daroussin:
Hi all,
tijl@ spotted an interesting point, distinfo and pkg-descr files files
convenient are taking a lot of space for free, we can reduce the size of the
while ports tree by a factor 2 by simply merging them into one of the other
files
On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 09:22:09 +0100 Matthias Andree matthias.and...@gmx.de
wrote:
Am 31.10.2014 um 19:56 schrieb Baptiste Daroussin:
Hi all,
tijl@ spotted an interesting point, distinfo and pkg-descr files files
convenient are taking a lot of space for free, we can reduce the size of
the
On 2014-10-31, Tijl Coosemans t...@freebsd.org wrote:
For distinfo I was thinking about something like this in the Makefile:
DIST_FILES= FOO BAR
FOO_FILE= foo-1.0
FOO_SITES=http://www.example.com/foo/
FOO_SIZE= 12345
FOO_SHA256= 0123456789abcdef.
This is where
Am 02.11.2014 um 19:50 schrieb Tijl Coosemans:
The reason I looked into this is because many subversion operations
are slow on the ports tree. For me it's about saving time there and
not so much about saving disk space.
Which is exactly my point of using inferior tools for the job.
On 02/11/2014 18:18, Jos Backus wrote:
How about using SQLite to store this metadata?
Doesn't really mix with version control nicely. Collecting ports
metadata and storing it in some sort of sqlite daabase for operational
purposes is certainly a possibility, but that can't be the primary data
On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 00:07:23 +0100
Tijl Coosemans wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 19:56:21 +0100 Baptiste Daroussin
b...@freebsd.org wrote:
Hi all,
tijl@ spotted an interesting point, distinfo and pkg-descr files
files convenient are taking a lot of space for free, we can
reduce the size
How about using SQLite to store this metadata?
Jos
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On Sun, 2 Nov 2014 18:16:23 + RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 00:07:23 +0100
Tijl Coosemans wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 19:56:21 +0100 Baptiste Daroussin
b...@freebsd.org wrote:
tijl@ spotted an interesting point, distinfo and pkg-descr files
files convenient are
On 11/2/14, 10:50 AM, Tijl Coosemans wrote:
On Sun, 2 Nov 2014 18:16:23 + RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 00:07:23 +0100
Tijl Coosemans wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 19:56:21 +0100 Baptiste Daroussin
b...@freebsd.org wrote:
tijl@ spotted an interesting point,
On 31/10/2014 18:56, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Hi all,
tijl@ spotted an interesting point, distinfo and pkg-descr files files
convenient are taking a lot of space for free, we can reduce the size of the
while ports tree by a factor 2 by simply merging them into one of the other
files
On 11/1/2014 2:20 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote:
However, I wonder if it wouldn't make more sense
to create one file which includes all of the other bits of port
infrastructure. This should be a text format that people can read
easily and manipulate with a text editor or standard unix tools.
On 01/11/2014 10:19, Darren Pilgrim wrote:
On 11/1/2014 2:20 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote:
However, I wonder if it wouldn't make more sense
to create one file which includes all of the other bits of port
infrastructure. This should be a text format that people can read
easily and manipulate with
On Sat, Nov 01, 2014 at 12:07:23AM +0100, Tijl Coosemans wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 19:56:21 +0100 Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org
wrote:
tijl@ spotted an interesting point, distinfo and pkg-descr files files
convenient are taking a lot of space for free, we can reduce the size of
Hi all,
tijl@ spotted an interesting point, distinfo and pkg-descr files files
convenient are taking a lot of space for free, we can reduce the size of the
while ports tree by a factor 2 by simply merging them into one of the other
files (Makefile and/or pkg-plist) from my testing it really
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 19:56:21 +0100 Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote:
Hi all,
tijl@ spotted an interesting point, distinfo and pkg-descr files files
convenient are taking a lot of space for free, we can reduce the size of the
while ports tree by a factor 2 by simply merging them into
Hi,
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 19:56:21 +0100
Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote:
tijl@ spotted an interesting point, distinfo and pkg-descr files files
convenient are taking a lot of space for free, we can reduce the
size of the while ports tree by a factor 2 by simply merging them
into one
On 10/31/2014 11:56 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
tijl@ spotted an interesting point, distinfo and pkg-descr files files
convenient are taking a lot of space for free, we can reduce the size of the
while ports tree by a factor 2 by simply merging them into one of the other
files (Makefile and/or
On 10/31/14, 11:56 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Hi all,
tijl@ spotted an interesting point, distinfo and pkg-descr files files
convenient are taking a lot of space for free, we can reduce the size of the
while ports tree by a factor 2 by simply merging them into one of the other
files
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