Re: ports licenses

2010-06-01 Thread Alexander Churanov
2010/5/31 Wesley Shields w...@freebsd.org:
 Matthew already pointed out CHANGES. A heads-up to this list from the
 author may have been nice but it really isn't that big of a deal. Maybe,
 for all I know, a message to this list is coming once everything is
 ironed out.

 Formal policies that mandate this kind of stuff is unnecessary in my
 opinion.

 I've also just got to know about LICENSE* from this discussion thread.
 And I'm sure my ports do not contain license information.

 Like I said, I'd wait until it is clearly documented in the canonical
 source before I even begin to deal with it. I'm waiting on Porter's
 Handbook documentation that tells me how to use it. Not using this new
 LICENSE stuff in your ports is not harming anything right now, so just
 sit tight and wait until it's properly documented. None of my ports
 contain license information right now either.

 The author (alepulver@) has said in CHANGES that a PH entry will be
 available soon.

 -- WXS

OK, Thank you for clarification.

Alexander Churanov,
maintainer of devel/boost-*
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Re: ports licenses

2010-05-31 Thread Rob Farmer
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Wesley Shields w...@freebsd.org wrote:
 On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 02:29:45PM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote:
 On Sun 30 May 2010 at 13:20:55 PDT Rene Ladan wrote:
 Hi,
 
 While adding license information to my ports (to be committed), I
 stumbled upon the following:

 Is this something all maintainers should be doing?

 Yesterday, while upgrading my installed ports, I noticed a message in
 the output about LICENSE not being defined.  I also see that there's now
 a bsd.licenses.mk and a bsd.licenses.db.mk in /usr/ports/Mk.  I don't
 recall seeing those before, and don't know how long they've been there.
 Anyway, it looks like we're going ahead with this infrastructure, and I
 think that's a good thing.

 What actions do you need from me as a maintainer?

 They are both fairly new constructs. I don't recall exact dates but they
 are new enough that the documentation for them has not caught up yet
 that I'm aware of. I'd wait until the Porter's Handbook is updated for
 further clarification on what to do.

If someone is preparing to update the handbook, I think clarifying the
intended goal for bsd.licenses.db.mk is important. Is this file
expected to grow rapidly and include anything used by multiple ports
(for whatever definition of multiple) or is it primarily for the top
20 or so big licenses like the GPL?

The case I have in mind is the CeCILL
(http://www.cecill.info/licences/Licence_CeCILL_V2-en.html), which was
written by the French government for stuff they fund. It is basically
an uninteresting rewrite of the GPL adapted to deal with French patent
laws. As such, not a whole lot of stuff uses it (or probably will in
the forseeable future), but on the other hand it is explicitly listed
on the FSF's approved licenses page.

-- 
Rob Farmer


 I'd also say that if you have a regular update planned for a port that
 you submit the license information with that.

 -- WXS
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Re: ports licenses

2010-05-31 Thread Alexander Churanov
Wesley,

I suggest additions to the ports development process: each time some
mandatory or just desired feature is added to ports an e-mail to
ports@ is sent, describing the feature or the link to Handbook.

I've also just got to know about LICENSE* from this discussion thread.
And I'm sure my ports do not contain license information.

Alexander Churanov,
maintainer of devel/boost-*
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Re: ports licenses

2010-05-31 Thread Matthew Seaman
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On 31/05/2010 13:48:15, Alexander Churanov wrote:

 I suggest additions to the ports development process: each time some
 mandatory or just desired feature is added to ports an e-mail to
 ports@ is sent, describing the feature or the link to Handbook.
 
 I've also just got to know about LICENSE* from this discussion thread.
 And I'm sure my ports do not contain license information.

Did you miss the 20100524 entry in /usr/ports/CHANGES ?

Cheers

Matthew

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Re: ports licenses

2010-05-31 Thread Wesley Shields
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 04:48:15PM +0400, Alexander Churanov wrote:
 Wesley,
 
 I suggest additions to the ports development process: each time some
 mandatory or just desired feature is added to ports an e-mail to
 ports@ is sent, describing the feature or the link to Handbook.

Matthew already pointed out CHANGES. A heads-up to this list from the
author may have been nice but it really isn't that big of a deal. Maybe,
for all I know, a message to this list is coming once everything is
ironed out.

Formal policies that mandate this kind of stuff is unnecessary in my
opinion.

 I've also just got to know about LICENSE* from this discussion thread.
 And I'm sure my ports do not contain license information.

Like I said, I'd wait until it is clearly documented in the canonical
source before I even begin to deal with it. I'm waiting on Porter's
Handbook documentation that tells me how to use it. Not using this new
LICENSE stuff in your ports is not harming anything right now, so just
sit tight and wait until it's properly documented. None of my ports
contain license information right now either.

The author (alepulver@) has said in CHANGES that a PH entry will be
available soon.

-- WXS
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ports licenses

2010-05-30 Thread Rene Ladan
Hi,

While adding license information to my ports (to be committed), I
stumbled upon the following:

* devel/argouml uses Eclipse Public License (EPL) 1.0, but this one is
not in bsd.licenses.db.mk
* lang/bas2tap uses some homebrew license, but it has no formal name, so
LICENSE_NAME cannot be formally set.

I think the first one can be added to bsd.license.db.mk, but I'm not
sure what to do about the second one.

Regards,
Rene
-- 
http://www.rene-ladan.nl/

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Re: ports licenses

2010-05-30 Thread Eitan Adler
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Rene Ladan r...@freebsd.org wrote:
...
 * lang/bas2tap uses some homebrew license, but it has no formal name, so
 LICENSE_NAME cannot be formally set.

 I think the first one can be added to bsd.license.db.mk, but I'm not
 sure what to do about the second one.

from bsd.licenses.mk
# Case 2: license only known by the port (aka unknown).
#
# In this case LICENSE_{PERMS,NAME} are mandatory, in addition to
# either LICENSE_FILE or LICENSE_TEXT. Optional variables are
# LICENSE_{GROUPS,NOTES}.



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Re: ports licenses

2010-05-30 Thread Charlie Kester

On Sun 30 May 2010 at 13:20:55 PDT Rene Ladan wrote:

Hi,

While adding license information to my ports (to be committed), I
stumbled upon the following:


Is this something all maintainers should be doing?  


Yesterday, while upgrading my installed ports, I noticed a message in
the output about LICENSE not being defined.  I also see that there's now
a bsd.licenses.mk and a bsd.licenses.db.mk in /usr/ports/Mk.  I don't
recall seeing those before, and don't know how long they've been there.
Anyway, it looks like we're going ahead with this infrastructure, and I
think that's a good thing.

What actions do you need from me as a maintainer?  


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Re: ports licenses

2010-05-30 Thread Wesley Shields
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 02:29:45PM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote:
 On Sun 30 May 2010 at 13:20:55 PDT Rene Ladan wrote:
 Hi,
 
 While adding license information to my ports (to be committed), I
 stumbled upon the following:
 
 Is this something all maintainers should be doing?  
 
 Yesterday, while upgrading my installed ports, I noticed a message in
 the output about LICENSE not being defined.  I also see that there's now
 a bsd.licenses.mk and a bsd.licenses.db.mk in /usr/ports/Mk.  I don't
 recall seeing those before, and don't know how long they've been there.
 Anyway, it looks like we're going ahead with this infrastructure, and I
 think that's a good thing.

 What actions do you need from me as a maintainer?  

They are both fairly new constructs. I don't recall exact dates but they
are new enough that the documentation for them has not caught up yet
that I'm aware of. I'd wait until the Porter's Handbook is updated for
further clarification on what to do.

I'd also say that if you have a regular update planned for a port that
you submit the license information with that.

-- WXS
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Re: ports licenses

2010-05-30 Thread Charlie Kester

On Sun 30 May 2010 at 14:40:38 PDT Wesley Shields wrote:


I'd also say that if you have a regular update planned for a port that
you submit the license information with that.


Yeah, phasing it in along with other work makes sense.

/visions of 20,000+ new PR's doing nothing but adding LICENSE info

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