Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-03 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Chad Perrin wrote: I'm not saying that's what the OpenBSD project does. I'm just saying that, for instance, the availability of the ath driver contradicts a claim that security is a top priority of the FreeBSD project. Only if it was installed and operational by default would that really be

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-03 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: I'm not saying that's what the OpenBSD project does. I'm just saying that, for instance, the availability of the ath driver contradicts a claim that security is a top priority of the FreeBSD project. Only

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-03 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: I'm not saying that's what the OpenBSD project does. I'm just saying that, for instance, the availability of the ath driver contradicts a claim that security is a top priority of

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-03 Thread Spiros Papadopoulos
Hi Blake, On 02/06/07, Blake Finley, MA, ABD-2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am primarily concerned about security from internet hacking, and am therefore considering setting up a separate internet computer with BSD. Are you trying to secure a network with a secure gateway? To have a secure

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-03 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 10:42:33AM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: I'm not saying that's what the OpenBSD project does. I'm just saying that, for instance, the availability of

BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Blake Finley, MA, ABD-2
I am primarily concerned about security from internet hacking, and am therefore considering setting up a separate internet computer with BSD. What is your association with Open BSD? with Linux? Are there copyright or other related issues involved? It appears that FreeBSD is the most closely

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Bill Moran
Blake Finley, MA, ABD-2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am primarily concerned about security from internet hacking, and am therefore considering setting up a separate internet computer with BSD. You shouldn't use FreeBSD, then. It's written by hackers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker If

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Colin Percival
Bill Moran wrote: OpenBSD puts security higher on its list of project goals and motivating factors than any other OS I know. I disagree. I'd say that OpenBSD and FreeBSD put security in exactly the same place -- at the top of the list. I think the distinction to draw is that FreeBSD has a

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Kevin Kinsey
Blake Finley, MA, ABD-2 wrote: Hello. Hope it's not too tongue-in-chic, but it's practically irresistable. I am primarily concerned about security from internet hacking, and am therefore considering setting up a separate internet computer with BSD. What is your association with Open BSD?

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 04:18:33PM -0700, Blake Finley, MA, ABD-2 wrote: I am primarily concerned about security from internet hacking, and am therefore considering setting up a separate internet computer with BSD. What is your association with Open BSD? with Linux? Are there copyright or

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Jona Joachim
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:10:27 -0700 Colin Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Moran wrote: OpenBSD puts security higher on its list of project goals and motivating factors than any other OS I know. I disagree. I'd say that OpenBSD and FreeBSD put security in exactly the same place --

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On June 3, 2007 4:33:01 AM +0200 Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:10:27 -0700 Colin Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Moran wrote: OpenBSD puts security higher on its list of project goals and motivating factors than any other OS I know. I disagree. I'd

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 08:53:52PM -0500, Kevin Kinsey wrote: Blake Finley, MA, ABD-2 wrote: If you are familiar with Linux, search at Google with the string BSD Linux Matthew Fuller rant. It's a fairly well thought-through tirade on some of the differences Linux users perceive when they

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 04:33:01AM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:10:27 -0700 Colin Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Moran wrote: OpenBSD puts security higher on its list of project goals and motivating factors than any other OS I know. I disagree. I'd

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 10:10:08PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On June 3, 2007 4:33:01 AM +0200 Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. I'd say that OpenBSD and FreeBSD put security in exactly the same place -- at the top of the list. Sorry but I have to disagree here. FreeBSD