Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-05 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2004-10-04 21:54, Daniela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I developed a few rules and techniques for keeping the interest: 1. Avoid doing the same thing over and over again. 2. Do bigger projects as well as some playful experimenting. 3. Don't use closed-source (or commercial) software. I don't

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-05 Thread Mike Woods
Giorgos Keramidas wrote: I can almost agree with what's written above, except for one minor but important detail. If you can use an editor that suits your needs both in console and GUI environment, both for assembly, Perl, Python, Java, C, C++ and whatever else you find yourself writing, an editor

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-05 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 11:57:44AM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: All this that I described above, and even more, I can do in Emacs or vim. Using the system vi(1) on Solaris isn't a problem either, but I don't push myself to use *THAT* editor if I don't have to. I stopped using vi(1) on

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-05 Thread Daniela
On Tuesday 05 October 2004 08:57, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2004-10-04 21:54, Daniela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I developed a few rules and techniques for keeping the interest: 1. Avoid doing the same thing over and over again. 2. Do bigger projects as well as some playful experimenting.

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-05 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2004-10-05 20:27, Daniela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But when I feel that I like watching TV more than playing with ASM, I quickly switch to the monochrome terminal emulator, deactivate the mouse, emulate the destructive hardware cursor, pull out a primitive hexeditor (or TECO) and enter raw

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-04 Thread Robert Dormer
Having looked at the list, honesty - it's not nearly as much as it looks like. Seriously. It's well within your ken to learn ALL of that. Easily. Just do this - get a few machines. Throw FreeBSD on them. Hell, throw Open or Net on one or two, RedHat or Gentoo or Debian on another. Now plug

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-04 Thread Bill Moran
Robert Dormer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having looked at the list, honesty - it's not nearly as much as it looks like. Seriously. It's well within your ken to learn ALL of that. Easily. Just do this - get a few machines. Throw FreeBSD on them. Hell, throw Open or Net on one or two, RedHat

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-04 Thread Nathan Kinkade
On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 11:46:06PM -0700, Joshua Tinnin wrote: snip Well, I can only tell you about my own experience, but perhaps it will help. I have always been a techie, getting my first computer at the age of 14 - an Apple IIe. Learned some Basic, some peeks and pokes and even some

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-04 Thread Daniela
On Sunday 03 October 2004 03:50, Dave Vollenweider wrote: This has nothing to do with technical problems, but rather it's more of a request for moral support. This may seem disjointed, so bear with me. I've been using FreeBSD for over six months now, but I've been using Unix-like operating

RE: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-03 Thread steveb99
I think what you are going through is something people go through no matter what their career path is. I would say when you reach that point is when you have to decide is this something I want to do for the next n years. The first part of my life I was a musician and did all sorts of gigs from

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-03 Thread Joshua Tinnin
On Saturday 02 October 2004 08:50 pm, Dave Vollenweider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has nothing to do with technical problems, but rather it's more of a request for moral support. This may seem disjointed, so bear with me. I've been using FreeBSD for over six months now, but I've been

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-03 Thread bsdfsse
Ironically, I'm switching to FreeBSD because I'm already tired. My bones are aching from years of abuse. I'm tired of.. ..being told what I can and can't do with my computers. Did you know many scanners and photocopiers cannot reproduce money? Apparently the US government has worked with

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-03 Thread Glenn Sieb
bsdfsse said the following on 10/3/2004 3:12 AM: Ironically, I'm switching to FreeBSD because I'm already tired. My bones are aching from years of abuse. I'm tired of.. MuchSnippage Hear Hear!! ..of Linux distributions with fatal flaws. I went on a giant search to pick the perfect Linux

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-03 Thread Michal Pasternak
Ted Mittelstaedt [Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 10:46:05PM -0700]: As an analogy - there's lots of people that know how to pull into a service station and add air to their car tires. But out of all those people that have learned how to do this only a tenth of them know that tire pressure rises when

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-03 Thread Erik Norgaard
Hi, I had a glance at that list you refer to and the article it refers to. Don't worry, you don't need to know and learn all that: copy files to and from a floppy disk?? I don't even remember when I had a computer with a floppy drive. On the other hand, the vi editor? Well, I have known people

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-03 Thread MikeM
On 10/2/2004 at 10:50 PM Dave Vollenweider wrote: | I came across this page: | http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/8/13/131727/462 and | I'm overwhelmed by the sheer amount of knowledge I'd have to gain. = That page is ridiculous. You do not need to know all those items. You

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-03 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 01:57:11PM +0200, Erik Norgaard wrote: I have found that the most valuable skill a good SA has is LAZINESS! Yup, but beware, there are two kinds: You can be lazy in the sence that you only do what is absolutely necessary and postpone it as much as posible - this is the

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun - some advice

2004-10-03 Thread TM4525
Some Advice, There are many things in life that seem like daunting tasks, some of them worthwhile, some not. But its the goal beyond the task that should be the deciding factor. Learning unix is not a reason. Its like saying you want to have children just for the sake of having them. Why do you

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-03 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Oct 2, 2004, at 11:50 PM, Dave Vollenweider wrote: This has nothing to do with technical problems, but rather it's more of a request for moral support. This may seem disjointed, so bear with me. Alt.sysadmin.recovery? :-) I've been using FreeBSD for over six months now, but I've been using

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-03 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Oct 3, 2004, at 3:12 AM, bsdfsse wrote: Ironically, I'm switching to FreeBSD because I'm already tired. My bones are aching from years of abuse. I'm tired of.. ..being told what I can and can't do with my computers. Did you know many scanners and photocopiers cannot reproduce money?

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-03 Thread TM4525
In a message dated 10/3/04 4:31:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Excuse me while I shred it before the Secret Service comes knocking on my door... Is the secret service in charge of counterfiting now? (as you can see no formal education is required to be an SA)

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-03 Thread Mike Jeays
On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 17:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/3/04 4:31:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Excuse me while I shred it before the Secret Service comes knocking on my door... Is the secret service in charge of counterfiting now? (as you can

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-03 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sun, Oct 03, 2004, Mike Jeays wrote: On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 17:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/3/04 4:31:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Excuse me while I shred it before the Secret Service comes knocking on my door... Is the secret service in

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun (pushing the thread even more OT)

2004-10-03 Thread stheg olloydson
it was said: As a purely theoretical question - is it possible to be guilty of an offence by being in possession of a digital image of a currency bill? At what resolution does it become an offence? Hello, This exactly answers your questions:

RE: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-02 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Vollenweider Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:50 PM To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: When Unix Stops Being Fun This has nothing to do with technical problems, but rather it's more of a