Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-24 Thread freebsd
Gary Kline: Http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/SPD/runcore-64gb-pata-mini-pci-e-pcie-ssd-for-asus-eee-pc-901-and-1000---backorder-runcore-64gb-pata-mini-pci-e-pcie-ssd-for-asus-eee-pc-901-and-1000--88DB-1224129741.jsp ... statement that this device lasts ten years before it fails to hold

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-24 Thread Wojciech Puchar
First, be careful about statements like 10 years before it fails to hold state. Usually that means if you write data to the device and put it on a shelf, you've got 10 years before the data is unreadable. Being marketing possibly it's true if you will write it few times and no more ;) store it

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-24 Thread Charlie Kester
On Wed 24 Jun 2009 at 02:32:24 PDT free...@t41t.com wrote: The lifetime and reliability of SSDs are less-than-or-equal-to the lifetime and reliability of spinning magnetic drives, so don't buy an SSD for that. Whether SSDs use less power is an open question. There's a lot of data going either

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-24 Thread Gary Kline
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:48:00AM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote: On Wed 24 Jun 2009 at 02:32:24 PDT free...@t41t.com wrote: The lifetime and reliability of SSDs are less-than-or-equal-to the lifetime and reliability of spinning magnetic drives, so don't buy an SSD for that. Whether SSDs use

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
you guys aren't going to believe what i just found on the web for the ASUS Eee-901 [or is it the 900]. it was for the 9- and 10-inch screens. i was using konq which just segv'd so i am taking a break and thought i'd share this. last night, i could

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread Gary Kline
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 09:31:06AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: you guys aren't going to believe what i just found on the web for the ASUS Eee-901 [or is it the 900]. it was for the 9- and 10-inch screens. i was using konq which just segv'd so i am taking a break and

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread David Kelly
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 07:52:27AM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 09:31:06AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: today we have huge flash disks for really cheap, but still don't have native flash filesystem in any OS, be it FreeBSD or windoze or mac os x or whatever.

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:31:06 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: today we have huge flash disks for really cheap, but still don't have native flash filesystem in any OS, be it FreeBSD or windoze or mac os x or whatever. This flash chips have to emulate hard

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread Roland Smith
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 09:31:06AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: you guys aren't going to believe what i just found on the web for the ASUS Eee-901 [or is it the 900]. it was for the 9- and 10-inch screens. i was using konq which just segv'd so i am taking a break and

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
whatever. Not so. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_file_system Most flash devices sold as harddisks have hardware that emulates a traditional harddisk, representing it as a (P/S)ATA block device. Unless you can bypass this, there is no need for a special filesystem. yes this is exactly

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
99.8% solution waiting for the 99.9% solution. As for emulating a hard drive, its only slow relative to potential it's a nonsense to pay for emulation layer that slows down real devices. And random filesystem writes could be much faster on flash than on disk - if properly designed

RE: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread Gary Gatten
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 12:25 PM To: FreeBSD Mailing List Cc: Gary Kline Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. 99.8% solution waiting for the 99.9% solution. As for emulating a hard drive, its only slow

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread Roland Smith
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 07:23:22PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: whatever. Not so. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_file_system Most flash devices sold as harddisks have hardware that emulates a traditional harddisk, representing it as a (P/S)ATA block device. Unless you can

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread Kurt Buff
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 16:07, Gary Klinekl...@thought.org wrote:        you guys aren't going to believe what i just found on the web for        the ASUS Eee-901 [or is it the 900].  it was for the 9- and        10-inch screens.  i was using konq which just segv'd so i am        taking a

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
and lifetime. Even a flash filesystem will have to do wear levelling. yes - but it don't have to copy blocks that are free. with disk emulation - it doesn't know anything about filesystem and don't know what blocks are free. ___

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread Gary Kline
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:22:19PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 16:07, Gary Klinekl...@thought.org wrote: For a small unit like this, SSD is really nice. But, for my workstations/servers, I'm wondering if a pure battery-backed RAM disk, in RAID1 with a regular hard

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread David Kelly
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 09:46:01PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: and lifetime. Even a flash filesystem will have to do wear levelling. yes - but it don't have to copy blocks that are free. with disk emulation - it doesn't know anything about filesystem and don't know what blocks are free.

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread David Kelly
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 01:10:41PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: battery-backed ram sound great for the time being! if not now [this minute], then relatively soon, i'm guessing within a few years somebody will have a solid-state device that emulates the current

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread Kurt Buff
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 13:59, David Kellydke...@hiwaay.net wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 01:10:41PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:       battery-backed ram sound great for the time being!       if not now [this minute], then relatively soon, i'm guessing       within a few years somebody will

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:59:44 -0500, David Kelly dke...@hiwaay.net wrote: We are already there. SSDs are not slower than mechanical disk drives, they are faster. The only detriments are 1) cost, 2) limited write life. What about power consumption? Because they seem to be primarily intended for

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread Roland Smith
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 01:10:41PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:22:19PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 16:07, Gary Klinekl...@thought.org wrote: For a small unit like this, SSD is really nice. But, for my workstations/servers, I'm wondering if a

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread David Kelly
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:12:05PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:59:44 -0500, David Kelly dke...@hiwaay.net wrote: We are already there. SSDs are not slower than mechanical disk drives, they are faster. The only detriments are 1) cost, 2) limited write life. What about

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread Gary Kline
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:30:25PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: If it's fast enough to allow one to work unimpeded, has acceptable lifetime/reliability, and uses less power/generates less heat than traditional platter HD - I'd say it's a good solution. It's not a one size fits all world.

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-23 Thread Gary Kline
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 03:59:44PM -0500, David Kelly wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 01:10:41PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: battery-backed ram sound great for the time being! if not now [this minute], then relatively soon, i'm guessing within a few years somebody will have a

RE: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-22 Thread Gary Gatten
How fast is it though? Fast enough, or will the r/w/access times make everything slow? Not all SSD is created equal. There's a new SD format too - up to 2TB Prolly within a couple years, or maybe someone will get some federal stimulus funds and manufacture it sooner! After all, it could

Re: you're not going to believe this.

2009-06-22 Thread Gary Kline
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 06:21:33PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: How fast is it though? Fast enough, or will the r/w/access times make everything slow? Not all SSD is created equal. Ah, yes, that was the key to this site, then. it said that with their newer, faster speed--i