On Nov 10, 2011, at 3:57 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote:
>> FreeBSD's users generally are more technically inclined and might be willing
>> to deal with this, but even so, I suspect that most folks would appreciate
>> the system trying to figure
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Warren Block wrote:
> Are the keyboard and mouse USB devices? A KVM should not disconnect them on
> switching, but maybe it does.
In my experience, most inexpensive USB KVMs work by disconnecting the
keyboard/mouse from one system and reconnecting them to the oth
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> FreeBSD's users generally are more technically inclined and might be willing
> to deal with this, but even so, I suspect that most folks would appreciate
> the system trying to figure out that an AZERTY keyboard layout means French,
> that
Chuck Swiger , 2011-11-10 20:12 (+0100):
> Different keycaps means a different product SKU, at least. If they use
> the same USB product ID
Yes. I think this is a quite common scenario.
> FreeBSD's users generally are more technically inclined and might be
> willing to deal with this, but even s
On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:25 AM, Michael Cardell Widerkrantz wrote:
>> True for PS/2, but not true for USB-- the USB Vendor & Product ID can
>> identify different keyboard types and let you infer the country.
>
> I'm sorry I was unclear. I meant the USB device doesn't say what
> physical keyboard la
2011-11-09 21:52, Samuel Magnusson skrev:
When I first installed Xorg I began by following the handbook, which
means that I unwittingly did this to my poor rc.conf:
hald_enable="YES"
dbus_enable="YES"
That meant that I would HAVE to go into the XML-stuff (to get swedish
keys)
If all you want
Polytropon , 2011-11-10 01:30 (+0100):
> Now as it (almost?) works on FreeBSD, it's already deprecated by new
> Linux concepts such as udev, upower and other us. Maybe
> they become available as interfaces on FreeBSD too, but my fear is...
> as soon as they are usable, there's already something el
Samuel Magnusson , 2011-11-10 00:49 (+0100):
> Michael Cardell Widerkrantz wrote 2011-11-09 21:02:
>> What new style XML method?
> I'm referring to what Polytropon said about all the "new" stuff
> required by X. As I understood him he was talking about the XML-files
> to give directions to HAL
Samuel Magnusson , 2011-11-09 21:52 (+0100):
> Because with HAL and DBUS enabled this InputDevice section is bypassed
> unless I also specify Option "AutoAddDevices" "false". Which I
> understand gives the same result as not enabling HAL and DBUS in the
> first place.
If you don't enable HAL and
Chuck Swiger , 2011-11-09 22:10 (+0100):
>> How would HAL know that the keyboard had a Swedish layout? No such
>> information is sent through USB or PS/2 when you attach a keyboard.
>
> True for PS/2, but not true for USB-- the USB Vendor & Product ID can
> identify different keyboard types and le
Chuck Swiger wrote:
> > My assumption still is: Not _every_ keyboard manufacturer does
> > code the layout into the USB identification. If you tell me I'm
> > wrong with this assumption, I'll be happy. :-)
>
> Folks are supposed to use a different product ID for different
> devices, so you can un
On Nov 9, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Polytropon wrote:
> In this regards, it's also strange how FreeBSD could "forget"
> USB information it once had.
>
> On my old 5.x system, I got dmesg lines like that:
>
> ukbd0: Sun Microsystems Type 6 USB keyboard,
> rev 1.00/1.02, addr 3, iclass
Polytropon skrev 2011-11-10 01:30:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:49:19 +0100, Samuel Magnusson wrote:
And migrating from Windows and Mac might be
discouraging if there isn't a working desktop with visible text at least
within an hour or two after installation. :)
No problem in that, see FreeSBIE - all
Polytropon wrote 2011-11-09 19:19:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:19:44 +0100, Samuel Magnusson wrote:
This works for me:
X :0 -terminate
Ctrl-Alt-F1
xterm -display :0
Ctrl-Alt-F9
exit xterm.. which brings me back to the first console.
But this doesn't work:
X :0 -terminate vt4
Ctrl-Alt-F1 (doesn't res
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:10:20 -0800, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> Hi--
>
> On Nov 9, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Michael Cardell Widerkrantz wrote:
> >> And should HAL have discovered my swedish keyboard automatically in
> >> the first place, so there was something going wrong there?
> >
> > How would HAL know th
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:49:19 +0100, Samuel Magnusson wrote:
> Michael Cardell Widerkrantz wrote 2011-11-09 21:02:
> > Samuel Magnusson, 2011-11-09 12:06 (+0100):
> >> Now I'm curious:
> >>
> >> Is it then so that in the "new style" Xorg the XML-method will
> >> override HAL, and this is the new def
Michael Cardell Widerkrantz wrote 2011-11-09 21:02:
Samuel Magnusson, 2011-11-09 12:06 (+0100):
Now I'm curious:
Is it then so that in the "new style" Xorg the XML-method will
override HAL, and this is the new default way of providing opitons
that formerly were in the InputDevice sections in xo
Hi--
On Nov 9, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Michael Cardell Widerkrantz wrote:
>> And should HAL have discovered my swedish keyboard automatically in
>> the first place, so there was something going wrong there?
>
> How would HAL know that the keyboard had a Swedish layout? No such
> information is sent th
Polytropon wrote 2011-11-09 19:15:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:06:37 +0100, Samuel Magnusson wrote:
Is it then so that in the "new style" Xorg the XML-method will override
HAL, and this is the new default way of providing opitons that formerly
were in the InputDevice sections in xorg.conf?
I hope no
On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:02:07 -0500
Robert Huff articulated:
>
> Since this has been mentioned, I though I'd take the
> opportunity ...
>
> Polytropon writes:
>
> > You have X without HAL and DBUS? Use xorg.conf because this
> > has worked for many years to centralize X configuration.
> >
Samuel Magnusson , 2011-11-09 12:06 (+0100):
> Which made me remember that I had the exact same
> problem with my swedish keyboardmappings the very first time I started
> X. I just couldn't get it to work and nearly gave up before I tried
> the setxkbmap method and put them into .xinitrc, which sa
On Wed, 9 Nov 2011, Robert Huff wrote:
I have two systems - one Windows, one FreeBSD - that share
monitor, keyboard, and mouse via a kvm. FreeBSD had both HAL and
DBUS installed and activated in rc.conf.
Scenario: I'm working on the FreeBSD system, and switch to the
WIndows syst
Since this has been mentioned, I though I'd take the
opportunity ...
Polytropon writes:
> You have X without HAL and DBUS? Use xorg.conf because this
> has worked for many years to centralize X configuration.
>
> You have X with HAL and DBUS, but don't want to use it? Reflect
> thi
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:19:44 +0100, Samuel Magnusson wrote:
> This works for me:
> X :0 -terminate
> Ctrl-Alt-F1
> xterm -display :0
> Ctrl-Alt-F9
> exit xterm.. which brings me back to the first console.
>
> But this doesn't work:
> X :0 -terminate vt4
> Ctrl-Alt-F1 (doesn't respond)
> Ctrl-Alt-B
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:06:37 +0100, Samuel Magnusson wrote:
> Is it then so that in the "new style" Xorg the XML-method will override
> HAL, and this is the new default way of providing opitons that formerly
> were in the InputDevice sections in xorg.conf?
I hope not! :-)
As far as I understood
Samuel Magnusson wrote 2011-11-09 12:06:
Now I'm curious:
Is it then so that in the "new style" Xorg the XML-method will
override HAL, and this is the new default way of providing opitons
that formerly were in the InputDevice sections in xorg.conf?
And should HAL have discovered my swedish
Thanks guys, that was really helpful!
I now also installed the nVidia driver and it works well. The reason I
didn't use it in the first place was that I had read that the old
Geforce 2-card wasn't supported by the nVidia rivers anymore. And that
nouveau (as replacement for nv) should be used i
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Polytropon wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:33:55 -0700 (MST), Warren Block wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Warren Block wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Polytropon wrote:
And according to the handbook, this does _not_ remove the
need for a X configuration file (usually /etc/X11/xorg.c
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:33:55 -0700 (MST), Warren Block wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Warren Block wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Polytropon wrote:
> >
> >> And according to the handbook, this does _not_ remove the
> >> need for a X configuration file (usually /etc/X11/xorg.conf)
> >> including ``O
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Warren Block wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Polytropon wrote:
And according to the handbook, this does _not_ remove the
need for a X configuration file (usually /etc/X11/xorg.conf)
including ``Option "DontZap" "off"'' in the "ServerFlags"
section.
For at least the most recent
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Polytropon wrote:
And according to the handbook, this does _not_ remove the
need for a X configuration file (usually /etc/X11/xorg.conf)
including ``Option "DontZap" "off"'' in the "ServerFlags"
section.
For at least the most recent Xorg, it's not needed. Can't recall
whe
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:14:48 -0700 (MST), Warren Block wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Samuel Magnusson wrote:
>
> > 1. I can?t zap the server with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. Nothing at all happens.
> > I
> > have checked that it isn't disabled in xorg.conf, and even tried to put in
> > the reverse boole
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011, Samuel Magnusson wrote:
1. I can?t zap the server with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. Nothing at all happens. I
have checked that it isn't disabled in xorg.conf, and even tried to put in
the reverse boolean value there. Not that I couldn't live without zapping,
but...when I know abo
Hi everyone!
I'm quite new to BSD and installed it on my old Pentium to try to learn
the unixverse from bottom up. My first aim is not just getting the
system running for surfing the web or something, not even to be
productive, but to understand why and how it runs.(Or else, why it
runs n
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