On 6 November 2010 21:38, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 02:30:16PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
Having said all that it really depends on whether you need the extra
features of zfs. Personally I cant see how anyone with any important
data
can do without
On 11/08/10 13:52, krad wrote:
On 6 November 2010 21:38, Roland Smithrsm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 02:30:16PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
Having said all that it really depends on whether you need the extra
features of zfs. Personally I cant see how anyone with any important
On 08.11.2010 16:37, Arthur Chance wrote:
On 11/08/10 13:52, krad wrote:
On 6 November 2010 21:38, Roland Smithrsm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 02:30:16PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
Having said all that it really depends on whether you need the extra
features of zfs.
On 11/08/10 16:08, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote:
On 08.11.2010 16:37, Arthur Chance wrote:
On 11/08/10 13:52, krad wrote:
On 6 November 2010 21:38, Roland Smithrsm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 02:30:16PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
Having said all that it really
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 05:08:33PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote:
The GEOM_ELI class provides optional authentication/checksumming. See
geli(8),
especially the -a option.
snip
im not sure on whether that you be a viable replacement, as it has to be
a fairly good checksum
On 08.11.2010 18:47, Arthur Chance wrote:
*snip*
Presuming you're talking about ZFS, the hash isn't intended to correct
hardware errors, it's only there to detect them. Correction comes from
mirroring or the use of RAIDZ{1,2,3}. (I have personal experience of how
well that works, as I had a
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 05:08:33PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account)
wrote:
But it's still not capable of true forward-error-correction. If we are
to embark upon creating a new solution, using something that is cheap
On 08.11.2010 21:44, C. P. Ghost wrote:
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 05:08:33PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account)
wrote:
But it's still not capable of true forward-error-correction. If we are
to embark upon creating a new
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Svein Skogen (Listmail account)
svein-listm...@stillbilde.net wrote:
And I'm ... all too familiar with redundancy strategies (and backups).
Including their shortcomings. Speaking of which: Has there been any
progress on properly backing up ZFS on FreeBSD yet?
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 09:44:29PM +0100, C. P. Ghost wrote:
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 05:08:33PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account)
wrote:
But it's still not capable of true forward-error-correction. If we are
to
On 8 November 2010 22:35, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 09:44:29PM +0100, C. P. Ghost wrote:
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 05:08:33PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail
account) wrote:
But it's
On 06/11/2010 16:10, Chad Perrin wrote:
Will Oracle lawyers
find some patent related to the creation of that software the company
owns and use that to sue you if you fork the project to ensure the
survival of your own development projects? It seems somewhat likely,
somehow.
Oracle
Quoth Randal L. Schwartz on Saturday, 06 November 2010:
Chip == Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com writes:
Chip The one in that list that worries me the most is VirtualBox -- that's a
Chip truly useful solution that isn't easily replaced. But I read somewhere
Chip that there was a
On Sun, Nov 07, 2010, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 06/11/2010 16:10, Chad Perrin wrote:
Will Oracle lawyers
find some patent related to the creation of that software the company
owns and use that to sue you if you fork the project to ensure the
survival of your own development projects? It
On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 05:17:19PM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 06/11/2010 16:10, Chad Perrin wrote:
Will Oracle lawyers
find some patent related to the creation of that software the company
owns and use that to sue you if you fork the project to ensure the
survival of your own
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 05:17:19PM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 06/11/2010 16:10, Chad Perrin wrote:
Will Oracle lawyers
find some patent related to the creation of that software the company
owns and use that
On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:45:07 -0500
Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net articulated:
LibreOffice (Libre is Latin for free) is a functional
name as is (personally I don't like the name, but I hated
StarOffice's name too!) and has potential. But DF faces an uphill
battle in re-educating the world
Chip == Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com writes:
Chip I hope it's more than wishful thinking on their part. I would trust
Chip Oracle to keep hands off for precisely as long as they do not perceive
Chip any reason to put hands on.
Understood... clearly, the suits can do whatever they
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Steven Susbauer ste...@too1337.com wrote:
Android uses the Java language, but this is not what that suit is about.
Oracle claims the Dalvik VM infringes on their patents. If Android was using
the Java VM there would be no lawsuit. Sun was able to successfully
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Steven Susbauer ste...@too1337.com wrote:
On 11/5/10 5:19 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote:
[...]
It sounds like he's probably a big fan of the BSD license. I do not see how
this is a bad thing, other than he uses potentially inflammatory words like
exploit. The
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 11:44:28PM -0500, Steven Susbauer wrote:
On 11/5/10 5:19 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote:
Precisely. This is Larry Ellison's position on Open Source:
quote
If an open source product gets good enough, we'll simply take it.
[...] So the great thing about open source is
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 09:16:05AM +0200, App Deb wrote:
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Steven Susbauer ste...@too1337.com wrote:
Android uses the Java language, but this is not what that suit is about.
Oracle claims the Dalvik VM infringes on their patents. If Android was using
the Java
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 11:25:13PM -0500, Steven Susbauer wrote:
On 11/5/10 4:34 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
Will Oracle start using patent suits to try to stop people
who aren't paying for ZFS or who are using it on platforms other than
Solaris from using it?
Whether you think concerns like
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 11:25:13PM -0500, Steven Susbauer wrote:
On 11/5/10 4:34 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
Will Oracle start using patent suits to try to stop people
who aren't paying for ZFS or who are using it on
On 06.11.2010 17:44, Chris Brennan wrote:
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 11:25:13PM -0500, Steven Susbauer wrote:
On 11/5/10 4:34 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
Will Oracle start using patent suits to try to stop people
who aren't
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Svein Skogen (Listmail account)
svein-listm...@stillbilde.net wrote:
Chad, what are these attachments to your e-mail? My client keeps
flagging
your mail as questionable and I'm sandboxing it to make sure it's nothing
bad :D
I suppose they are the PGP
On 5 November 2010 19:11, Alejandro Imass aim...@yabarana.com wrote:
Hey folks,
A while back I started the thread Troubles on SATA drives ZFS. I
decided to bring the zpool down check each disk and re-construct the
pool. Nevertheless, I was revising one of the ZFS error message links
and
On 5 November 2010 22:19, Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org wrote:
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 08:25:05PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account)
wrote:
Well ... CDDL was (iirc) based on the Mozilla Public License. Are you
On 06.11.2010 19:52, krad wrote:
On 5 November 2010 19:11, Alejandro Imass aim...@yabarana.com wrote:
Hey folks,
A while back I started the thread Troubles on SATA drives ZFS. I
decided to bring the zpool down check each disk and re-construct the
pool. Nevertheless, I was revising one of
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 06:52:19PM +, krad wrote:
the main problem is geom and ufs isnt a like for like replacement yet. Good
as though geom is it just not as easy as zfs from an adminsistration point
of view in my opinion. It may potentinally get a block checksum class but it
will be a
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 06:56:11PM +, krad wrote:
this thread shouldnt be limited to just zfs really, dtrace is also affected
by all the same licensing issues
While we're at it, OpenOffice.org, MySQL, Solaris, Java, and VirtualBox are
also entangled with Oracle. There may be others that
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:20:39PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote:
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Svein Skogen (Listmail account)
svein-listm...@stillbilde.net wrote:
Chad, what are these attachments to your e-mail? My client keeps
flagging
your mail as questionable and I'm sandboxing
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 02:30:16PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
Having said all that it really depends on whether you need the extra
features of zfs. Personally I cant see how anyone with any important data
can do without checksuming.
I guess that depends on what you're doing with the data
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:20:39PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote:
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Svein Skogen (Listmail account)
svein-listm...@stillbilde.net wrote:
Chad, what are these attachments to your e-mail?
Quoth Chad Perrin on Saturday, 06 November 2010:
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 06:56:11PM +, krad wrote:
this thread shouldnt be limited to just zfs really, dtrace is also affected
by all the same licensing issues
While we're at it, OpenOffice.org, MySQL, Solaris, Java, and VirtualBox are
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.comwrote:
The one in that list that worries me the most is VirtualBox -- that's a
truly useful solution that isn't easily replaced. But I read somewhere
that there was a movement gaining steam to break off from Oracle.
I
App Deb appde...@gmail.com!appdebgr@agora.rdrop.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Steven Susbauer ste...@too1337.com wrote:
Sun was able to successfully sue Microsoft for similar reasons
in 1997 (incomplete implementation of the Java standard).
If I remember correctly, the Microsoft
Chip == Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com writes:
Chip The one in that list that worries me the most is VirtualBox -- that's a
Chip truly useful solution that isn't easily replaced. But I read somewhere
Chip that there was a movement gaining steam to break off from Oracle.
When I
Chad == Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com writes:
Chad I have not really spent any quality time with ZFS, so I'm a little
Chad sketchy on the details. Is there anything the checksumming capabilities
Chad of ZFS do that cannot be duplicated with an external tool -- perhaps
Chad something like a
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 8:00 PM, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
App Deb appde...@gmail.com!appdebgr@agora.rdrop.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Steven Susbauer ste...@too1337.com
wrote:
Sun was able to successfully sue Microsoft for similar reasons
in 1997 (incomplete
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 05:00:53PM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
App Deb appde...@gmail.com!appdebgr@agora.rdrop.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Steven Susbauer ste...@too1337.com wrote:
Sun was able to successfully sue Microsoft for similar reasons
in 1997 (incomplete
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 07:09:57PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote:
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Chip Camden
sterl...@camdensoftware.comwrote:
The one in that list that worries me the most is VirtualBox -- that's a
truly useful solution that isn't easily replaced. But I read somewhere
Hey folks,
A while back I started the thread Troubles on SATA drives ZFS. I
decided to bring the zpool down check each disk and re-construct the
pool. Nevertheless, I was revising one of the ZFS error message links
and Oracle made me create a developer id to access the info. This
really pissed me
Hey folks,
A while back I started the thread Troubles on SATA drives ZFS. I
decided to bring the zpool down check each disk and re-construct the
pool. Nevertheless, I was revising one of the ZFS error message links
and Oracle made me create a developer id to access the info. This
really pissed me
On 05.11.2010 20:14, Alejandro Imass wrote:
Hey folks,
A while back I started the thread Troubles on SATA drives ZFS. I
decided to bring the zpool down check each disk and re-construct the
pool. Nevertheless, I was revising one of the ZFS error message links
and Oracle made me create a
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org wrote:
Maybe I should go back to UFS, CCD, GEOM, etc. instead of continuing
to support f***ing Oracle. ZFS was honestly very easy and seemed very
reliable and fast, but I would like the opinion and position of people
here on ZFS
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 03:11:47PM -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote:
A while back I started the thread Troubles on SATA drives ZFS. I
decided to bring the zpool down check each disk and re-construct the
pool. Nevertheless, I was revising one of the ZFS error message links
and Oracle made me
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 08:25:05PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote:
Well ... CDDL was (iirc) based on the Mozilla Public License. Are you
similarly worried about Thunderbird or Firefox?
I think Alejandro's more worried about what will happen with future
versions of ZFS based on
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 08:25:05PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account)
wrote:
Well ... CDDL was (iirc) based on the Mozilla Public License. Are you
similarly worried about Thunderbird or Firefox?
I think Alejandro's
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org wrote:
So, my inquiry to this community is: should we really be promoting the
use of ZFS directly by putting it on the FBSD handbook? Maybe it
should go on a different document, and make it really optional. MySQL
is another
On 11/5/10 5:19 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote:
Precisely. This is Larry Ellison's position on Open Source:
quote
If an open source product gets good enough, we'll simply take it.
[...] So the great thing about open source is nobody owns it – a
company like Oracle is free to take it for nothing,
On 11/5/10 4:34 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
Will Oracle start using patent suits to try to stop people
who aren't paying for ZFS or who are using it on platforms other than
Solaris from using it?
Whether you think concerns like these will prove reasonable in the long
run, they make a lot more sense
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