Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-08 Thread Tuc
So the next question is how do I approach Dell to replace the motherboard/cpu/memory? If I show them FreeBSD they'll laugh. Can you find an intensive program to run under Windows that will reproduce it? Hell ... just install ActivePerl and write a perl script that does lots and lots

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-06 Thread Bsd Neophyte
--- Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True ... I don't know if memtest is better/worse/equal to burnMMX or not. I've just always used both for testing. One thing about memory glitches, they try very hard not to occur when you're looking for them! murphy's law appears at the worst

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-06 Thread Cliff Sarginson
On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 12:58:32AM +0100, Martin Karlsson wrote: * Bsd Neophyte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-03-05 15.52 -0800]: --- Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Have you tried running memtest for equal lengths of time? memtest doesn't seem to exist in the ports anymore

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-06 Thread taxman
On Thursday 06 March 2003 10:49 pm, Cliff Sarginson wrote: I just advised someone that memtest gives spurious error on tests 5 and 7 on Asus motherboards. i think I started ths thread. P am amzed at the reaction. The usual bollocks of course about bad harware. Mmm.. sorry guys, X/Screensaver

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-06 Thread Brian T. Schellenberger
On Wednesday 05 March 2003 07:28 pm, Chris Howells wrote: | -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- | Hash: SHA1 | | Hi, | | On Wednesday 05 March 2003 19:35, Tuc wrote: | So the next question is how do I approach Dell to replace | the motherboard/cpu/memory? If I show them FreeBSD they'll

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-06 Thread Brian T. Schellenberger
On Wednesday 05 March 2003 07:30 pm, Chris Howells wrote: | -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- | Hash: SHA1 | | Hi, | | On Wednesday 05 March 2003 19:44, Bill Moran wrote: | Hell ... just install ActivePerl and write a perl script that does | lots and lots of number crunching (it need not be

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-06 Thread Chris Howells
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On Wednesday 05 March 2003 19:35, Tuc wrote: So the next question is how do I approach Dell to replace the motherboard/cpu/memory? If I show them FreeBSD they'll laugh. Oh dear, that's bad news. See

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-06 Thread Chris Howells
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On Wednesday 05 March 2003 19:44, Bill Moran wrote: Hell ... just install ActivePerl and write a perl script that does lots and lots of number crunching (it need not be anything useful) or install SETI and see if it crashes Windows. When I

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-06 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Wednesday, Mar 5, 2003, at 17:30 US/Mountain, Chris Howells wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On Wednesday 05 March 2003 19:44, Bill Moran wrote: Hell ... just install ActivePerl and write a perl script that does lots and lots of number crunching (it need not be

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-05 Thread Tuc
I feel for you. I too am having it. Most of the time it does it while I'm not around, but once I was in elm writing mail, and the screen went black, and the DELL splash screen came on. I ran burnP6 for a few minutes (Boy does it make the system unhappy, but it kept chugging) and

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-05 Thread Tuc
Your problems certainly sound like failing hardware. The archives are littered with examples of people who swore black and blue that failing hardware could not possibly be the cause of their mysterious reboots, until they found the failing hardware and replaced it :-) Check and swap

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-05 Thread Tuc
My second suggestion is going to sound really weird. My FreeBSD system disappears into the boonies when I have a screen saver enabled. That is xscreevsaver. Given enough time, and enough core dumps. it crashes my system as sure as eggs is eggs. I kind of proved this by leaving the systen

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-05 Thread Bill Moran
Tuc wrote: Your problems certainly sound like failing hardware. The archives are littered with examples of people who swore black and blue that failing hardware could not possibly be the cause of their mysterious reboots, until they found the failing hardware and replaced it :-) Check and swap

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-05 Thread Tuc
It could be incompatible hardware (i.e. mostly compatible hardware) that works most of the time, but occasionally causes a reboot. Meanwhile, the vender drivers for Windows make it work perfectly there. Its been working reliably since last May in 4.5/4.6/4.7 Then the hard drive

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-05 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 01:59:05PM -0500, Tuc wrote: It could be incompatible hardware (i.e. mostly compatible hardware) that works most of the time, but occasionally causes a reboot. Meanwhile, the vender drivers for Windows make it work perfectly there. Its been working

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-05 Thread Tuc
It exercises the hardware vigorously (CPU, RAM, disk, I/O controllers, =2E..). This is exactly the situation under which failing hardware is most likely to fail. So the next question is how do I approach Dell to replace the motherboard/cpu/memory? If I show them FreeBSD they'll

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-05 Thread Bill Moran
Tuc wrote: It exercises the hardware vigorously (CPU, RAM, disk, I/O controllers, =2E..). This is exactly the situation under which failing hardware is most likely to fail. So the next question is how do I approach Dell to replace the motherboard/cpu/memory? If I show them FreeBSD they'll

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-05 Thread Bsd Neophyte
--- Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: burnP6 and burnMX have been running all night 342:16 49.17% 49.17% burnBX 340:52 48.10% 48.10% burnP6 and there are no problems so far. Have you tried running memtest for equal lengths of time? memtest doesn't seem to exist in the ports anymore

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-05 Thread Martin Karlsson
* Bsd Neophyte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-03-05 15.52 -0800]: --- Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Have you tried running memtest for equal lengths of time? memtest doesn't seem to exist in the ports anymore :/ the file can't be fetched from any of the listed sites. You can

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-05 Thread Bill Moran
Bsd Neophyte wrote: --- Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: burnP6 and burnMX have been running all night 342:16 49.17% 49.17% burnBX 340:52 48.10% 48.10% burnP6 and there are no problems so far. Have you tried running memtest for equal lengths of time? reading the man page stated that burnMX -P

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-05 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 03:52:31PM -0800, Bsd Neophyte wrote: --- Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: burnP6 and burnMX have been running all night 342:16 49.17% 49.17% burnBX 340:52 48.10% 48.10% burnP6 and there are no problems so far. Have you tried running memtest for

still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-04 Thread Bsd Neophyte
i've upgraded the kernel as well as the system from 4.7 to 4.8rc3. however, i'm still getting the same issues. my system will randomly reboot when i'm doing anything from changing a directory to ftp-ing. i cracked the case, cleaned out all the dust thinking that the cooling was an issue. i've

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-04 Thread Tuc
please if anyone can help me resolve this... i can't stand having this extremely unstable server. it's causing all sorts of problems on the network. I feel for you. I too am having it. Most of the time it does it while I'm not around, but once I was in elm writing mail, and the

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-04 Thread Bsd Neophyte
--- Tuc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please if anyone can help me resolve this... i can't stand having this extremely unstable server. it's causing all sorts of problems on the network. I feel for you. I too am having it. Most of the time it does it while I'm not around, but once

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-04 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 03:30:08PM -0800, Bsd Neophyte wrote: can faulty hardware be ruled out then? No. You can't exhaustively test the hardware using software. You can only test some things: what you have shown is that none of the things that burn* does cause your system to reboot. The

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-04 Thread Cliff Sarginson
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 06:55:21PM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 03:30:08PM -0800, Bsd Neophyte wrote: Think you have been given just about all the advice to give. It is a bunner, and expensive to solve if you replace bits. I will give two suggestions. Is the power supply

Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please

2003-03-04 Thread Moti Levy
so you have a 3com nic in that thing ? - Original Message - From: Cliff Sarginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:33 PM Subject: Re: still can't resolve these system reboots... help please On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 06:55:21PM -0800, Kris Kennaway