Re: freebsd - for the win
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/06/2010 04:33:02, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: I'm working on a project for my client, and I spent the better part of two days trying to get my laptop running OSX to have the right combination of BerkeleyDB and Perl modules to build what I wanted. Turns out my Perl 5.10.1 install was incompatible with BerkeleyDB on OSX, but the macports version 5.8.9 was also in the wrong path, ugh. Finally, I said hey, freebsd would do better here. Within a half day, I had a freebsd VMWare image up and running, executing precisely the code I wanted, and I was able to take my development to the next round. FreeBSD. The Ports Just Work. Nothing else like it. Absolutely. Especially when you compare it to MacPorts and consider the disparity in numbers of users between MacOS and FreeBSD. Given that the ports is maintained by a bunch of volunteers basically in their spare time, the fact that it is consistently of good quality and that the popular packages are generally updated to the latest available versions within a couple of weeks -- frequently within a few hours -- it's a pretty astonishing accomplishment. Cheers, Matthew Mind you, I am vaguely starting to wonder when perl5.12 is going to hit the tree... - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkwTMgsACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyLFgCeIck3R37I7mv+ZJZ64KH07jXH RSUAoJKY6aucSq+3ty+6By4P0xlkbivN =ZnT/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
How many states can pf sanely handle
Hi, I have a dns server that receives a fair amount of traffic. I was implementing a pf based firewall on it and ran into a few issues. Basically there is a ridiculously high number of states generated. I just wondered what are the upper limits of what pf can handle, and what the memory requirements are? to get an idea of the traffic levels (this is about 30% of peak time) # pfctl -z ; sleep 60 ; pfctl -sr -v pass in quick on bce0 proto udp from dns to any port = domain no state [ Evaluations: 284852Packets: 209701Bytes: 13789905States: 0 ] [ Inserted: uid 0 pid 95645 ] pass out quick on bce0 proto udp from any port = domain to dns no state [ Evaluations: 309780Packets: 207705Bytes: 56264916States: 0 ] [ Inserted: uid 0 pid 95645 ] pass out quick on bce0 proto udp from any to any port = domain no state [ Evaluations: 50734 Packets: 50734 Bytes: 3933868 States: 0 ] [ Inserted: uid 0 pid 95645 ] pass in quick on bce0 proto udp from any port = domain to any no state [ Evaluations: 51290 Packets: 48056 Bytes: 9106259 States: 0 ] [ Inserted: uid 0 pid 95645 ] These rules aren't exactly ideal but they do stop an insane amount of states being generated, as every dns request generates one inbound rule, then potentially multiple outbound ones depending on whether you get a cache hit. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE:resize freebsd slice
i have a problem while i am trying to restore the dump files.. i followed your instructions but when i give restore -rf /backup/root.dump i receive the following error: expected next file 188417,got 4 and the output of ls in the /mnt directory is: .snap restoresymtable terietor what is going on? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: resize freebsd slice
2010-06-12 15:50, Giorgos Tsiapaliokas skrev: i have a problem while i am trying to restore the dump files.. i followed your instructions but when i give restore -rf /backup/root.dump i receive the following error: expected next file 188417,got 4 and the output of ls in the /mnt directory is: .snap restoresymtable terietor what is going on? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Either you executed dump without the L flag when the filesystem was mounted rw or, if you did give the L flag, some file changed while dump was creating the snapshot from which to create the dump. When dumping / it's ALWAYS safer to have it mounted read only. In my first reply, I suggested you boot into single user and create the dump from there. I've had the same type of message several times, but I've never found them to cause any harm. However, I never dump sensitive data from a read/write mounted fs. If possible I re-mount it read only, otherwise I boot into single user. And to be rudely honest: HAVE YOU READ ANYTHING ANYONE HAS WRITTEN? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: resize freebsd slice
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:32:17 +0300, Giorgos Tsiapaliokas terie...@gmail.com wrote: i have a problem while i am trying to restore the dump files.. i followed your instructions but when i give restore -rf /backup/root.dump i receive the following error: expected next file 188417,got 4 This *may* be okay, but it would be good if you would check the recent mailing list archives; as far as I remember, it has been discussed in detail (and with examples) about how to clone a system from one disk to another, also using dump + restore. and the output of ls in the /mnt directory is: .snap restoresymtable terietor I'm not sure what the third entry should be; can you provide ls -laF /mnt/ and additionally check that your root.dump has a size corresponding to the occupation of the / partition the dump was taken from? Remeber: Only a working backup is a (good) backup. According to man restore: Note that restore leaves a file restoresymtable in the root directory to pass information between incremental restore passes. This file should be removed when the last incremental has been restored. Did you make a full or incremental dump? what is going on? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE:resize freebsd slice
YES i have read what everyone said and yes i gave the L command when i dumped the / but i didn't mounted / as read-only when i made the dump file. Did you make a full or incremental dump? i don't know what u mean but i gave the command:dump -0Lauf /mnt/hd/FBSD/root.dump /. the output of the command ls -laF is: total 1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root 0 512 Nov 21 2009 ./ drwxr-xr-x 14 root 0 512 Jun 12 16:51 ../ i have to start the installiation from the begginging right? the two slices have been merged,my previous system has been erased and my dump files are corrupted. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: resize freebsd slice
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:28:49 +0300, Giorgos Tsiapaliokas terie...@gmail.com wrote: YES i have read what everyone said and yes i gave the L command when i dumped the / but i didn't mounted / as read-only when i made the dump file. That is okay - as long as -L (dump live file system) is given. But I also do share the opinion to mount the partition I want to dump as ro, or, more often (due to other technical reasons), don't have the partition mounted at all, the safest method. (In my case, I'm booting from a CD or USB stick to enter a simple, but customized backup environment; partitions of the system aren't mounted, but that's okay as backup downtime is not an issue. Then, dump files are written using SSH to a network drive.) i don't know what u mean but i gave the command:dump -0Lauf /mnt/hd/FBSD/root.dump /. That's okay, it should have created a usable dump file. Just for checking, those are the options: -0: Level 0 dump = full dump -L: Live dump = create snapshot, then dump from that -a: Auto-size = write dumpfile until target media is full -u: Update dumpdates = make entry in /etc/dumpdates -f: File = which file to dump to. Looks correct. the output of the command ls -laF is: total 1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root 0 512 Nov 21 2009 ./ drwxr-xr-x 14 root 0 512 Jun 12 16:51 ../ Is this the /mnt directory? It appears to be empty - nothing has been restored to it? That looks wrong (and contradicts the previous presentation of at least three non-dot entries). Did you mount your target disk (for the restore) rw into /mnt, then change into /mnt, and run the restore command from there? Allow me a final and quite generic note about dumping and restoring: This is a process handling your precious data. Triple-check everything you do. It's worth the time and work. i have to start the installiation from the begginging right? I don't think so. If your dump file is intact (check its size - it should be around 6.5 GB, if I remember correctly). the two slices have been merged,my previous system has been erased and my dump files are corrupted. I'm not sure it is corrupted, at least your presentation of the dump output doesn't seem to indicate that. I assume there's a problem related to properly restoring the files. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd - for the win
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 08:06:52AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: Absolutely. Especially when you compare it to MacPorts and consider the disparity in numbers of users between MacOS and FreeBSD. Given that the ports is maintained by a bunch of volunteers basically in their spare time, the fact that it is consistently of good quality and that the popular packages are generally updated to the latest available versions within a couple of weeks -- frequently within a few hours -- it's a pretty astonishing accomplishment. I don't mean to belittle anyone's accomplishments, of course, but I don't find it astonishing at all. FreeBSD's development model is one that encourages people to develop what they use, and to use what they develop, and it doesn't exclude people for rules of arbitrary hiring practices. When your software is developed and/or maintained by way of a more meritocratic system in which people are eating their own dog food and the developers/maintainers are self-selected in large part because of their *interest* in what they develop or maintain, it would be surprising to me if something like FreeBSD *didn't* end up doing better than something like MacOS X, which is developed and maintained under an autocratic model wherein many of the developers and maintainers were assigned to their respective projects (regardless of interest) after being hired due to their resume bullet points (regardless of actual ability). That's just my perspective. I suppose yours may differ. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpw78sxaaqIk.pgp Description: PGP signature
php help, please....
a few days ago i got my webserver working.. late last night i found the following error on my http://www.thought.org page: Warning: date() [function.date]: It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected 'America/Los_Angeles' for 'PDT/-7.0/DST' instead in /usr/local/www/apache22/data/randmeditations.php on line 6 as an example of my use of date() is $hour = date(H); can anybody 'splain what suddenly went wrong with my two-year-old php script? gary ps: FWIW: I am pulling this part from my home page today. i figure every 18-30 months pages need updating. but would shore like to know wha' happened -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org 99 44/100% Guaranteed Novel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd - for the win
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/06/2010 16:38:13, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 08:06:52AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: Absolutely. Especially when you compare it to MacPorts and consider the disparity in numbers of users between MacOS and FreeBSD. Given that the ports is maintained by a bunch of volunteers basically in their spare time, the fact that it is consistently of good quality and that the popular packages are generally updated to the latest available versions within a couple of weeks -- frequently within a few hours -- it's a pretty astonishing accomplishment. I don't mean to belittle anyone's accomplishments, of course, but I don't find it astonishing at all. FreeBSD's development model is one that encourages people to develop what they use, and to use what they develop, and it doesn't exclude people for rules of arbitrary hiring practices. When your software is developed and/or maintained by way of a more meritocratic system in which people are eating their own dog food and the developers/maintainers are self-selected in large part because of their *interest* in what they develop or maintain, it would be surprising to me if something like FreeBSD *didn't* end up doing better than something like MacOS X, which is developed and maintained under an autocratic model wherein many of the developers and maintainers were assigned to their respective projects (regardless of interest) after being hired due to their resume bullet points (regardless of actual ability). That's just my perspective. I suppose yours may differ. You are entirely correct, as far as MacOS X itself goes, although I suspect that Apples' core developers are equally as interested in what they do as FreeBSD's. (Not least because there is quite a bit of overlap between those groups.) MacPorts however is not an official Apple controlled thing (although it does have Apple's full support). It's a volunteer project with maintainers and committers in very much the same roles as the equivalents for FreeBSD ports. Given that MacOS X has, what, about 5.8% of the entire world desktop userbase (compare: Linux 1.2%, FreeBSD not even on the graph according to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems) they have so many more potential volunteers that even if their volunteering rate is an order of magnitude less, they'd still come out ahead. Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkwTxzcACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxFdQCfUhFjfSJEQeItQTfTNzB3VB7q Z6oAniJgNZty/3pGatCqYlFrs5PnIJ0Z =FIZn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: php help, please....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/06/2010 18:26:42, Gary Kline wrote: can anybody 'splain what suddenly went wrong with my two-year-old php script? Simple. You upgraded to php-5.3.x. This is a well known gotcha -- php-5.3.x needs to have the timezone set explicitly in /usr/local/etc/php.ini. If you haven't got a php.ini, then just copy one of the sample files, php.ini-production for preference, and edit it like so (although your timezone is almost certainly not Europe/London, so substitute accordingly): % diff -u php.ini-production php.ini - --- php.ini-production2010-05-31 10:03:32.0 +0100 +++ php.ini 2010-04-27 15:53:52.0 +0100 @@ -1002,7 +1002,7 @@ [Date] ; Defines the default timezone used by the date functions ; http://php.net/date.timezone - -;date.timezone = +date.timezone = Europe/London ; http://php.net/date.default-latitude ;date.default_latitude = 31.7667 Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkwTyKAACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzCegCaAgFCmpJewNjbJJrslNdHGdyq /fgAnjoCsVwUK/koPT7TzrM26UsXgro3 =06OP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: php help, please....
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 06:49:20PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/06/2010 18:26:42, Gary Kline wrote: can anybody 'splain what suddenly went wrong with my two-year-old php script? Simple. You upgraded to php-5.3.x. This is a well known gotcha -- php-5.3.x needs to have the timezone set explicitly in /usr/local/etc/php.ini. If you haven't got a php.ini, then just copy one of the sample files, php.ini-production for preference, and edit it like so (although your timezone is almost certainly not Europe/London, so substitute accordingly): % diff -u php.ini-production php.ini - --- php.ini-production 2010-05-31 10:03:32.0 +0100 +++ php.ini 2010-04-27 15:53:52.0 +0100 @@ -1002,7 +1002,7 @@ [Date] ; Defines the default timezone used by the date functions ; http://php.net/date.timezone - -;date.timezone = +date.timezone = Europe/London ; http://php.net/date.default-latitude ;date.default_latitude = 31.7667 Cheers, Matthew here's what is in my /usr/local/etc/php.ini file as of moments ago: [Date] ; Defines the default timezone used by the date functions ; http://php.net/date.timezone date.timezone = America/Los_Angeles i hit reload on my broswer and still get the err from date. the first date is $week = date(w); [[[i think!]]] then, i tried [again] what Robert suggested, and my problems vanished. thanks to you both. $day = date_default_timezone_set(w); $hour = date_default_timezone_set(H); $minutes = date_default_timezone_set(i); $seconds = date_default_timezone_set(s); back to my re-editing about my cover artist, one Mr Kalin pretty soon. once i've cleaned up my home/homepage!, but it seems strange that php would simply =change= out from under me. well, so to speak. can you suggest any php list that i should sub to? i don't always click around to read the latest and greatest about lang changes. or fashions and trends, :_) LOL, but i do my best to read of this kind of change. so any list suggestion would be indeed welcome. gary, [jack of N trades and maste r of -1. ] - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkwTyKAACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzCegCaAgFCmpJewNjbJJrslNdHGdyq /fgAnjoCsVwUK/koPT7TzrM26UsXgro3 =06OP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org 99 44/100% Guaranteed Novel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Directory Passwords
Hi there, I currently am running a FreeBSD/Samba server for my company with public shares for all of the employees to keep their work related documents in. I'm wondering if it is possible for me to keep these shares public and add a password to each sub directory in the public share? This would mean I could give each department a sub directory that only they would know the password to and keep the sensitive documents away from public view. Any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated, and if it is not possible, it would be a nifty feature to have for companies like ours in upcoming releases of FreeBSD. -- Mike Robins Health Safety Officer Vivocore mi...@cancog.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd - for the win
On 6/12/10, Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/06/2010 16:38:13, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 08:06:52AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: Absolutely. Especially when you compare it to MacPorts and consider the disparity in numbers of users between MacOS and FreeBSD. Given that the ports is maintained by a bunch of volunteers basically in their spare time, the fact that it is consistently of good quality and that the popular packages are generally updated to the latest available versions within a couple of weeks -- frequently within a few hours -- it's a pretty astonishing accomplishment. I don't mean to belittle anyone's accomplishments, of course, but I don't find it astonishing at all. FreeBSD's development model is one that encourages people to develop what they use, and to use what they develop, and it doesn't exclude people for rules of arbitrary hiring practices. When your software is developed and/or maintained by way of a more meritocratic system in which people are eating their own dog food and the developers/maintainers are self-selected in large part because of their *interest* in what they develop or maintain, it would be surprising to me if something like FreeBSD *didn't* end up doing better than something like MacOS X, which is developed and maintained under an autocratic model wherein many of the developers and maintainers were assigned to their respective projects (regardless of interest) after being hired due to their resume bullet points (regardless of actual ability). That's just my perspective. I suppose yours may differ. You are entirely correct, as far as MacOS X itself goes, although I suspect that Apples' core developers are equally as interested in what they do as FreeBSD's. (Not least because there is quite a bit of overlap between those groups.) MacPorts however is not an official Apple controlled thing (although it does have Apple's full support). It's a volunteer project with maintainers and committers in very much the same roles as the equivalents for FreeBSD ports. Given that MacOS X has, what, about 5.8% of the entire world desktop userbase (compare: Linux 1.2%, FreeBSD not even on the graph according to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems) they have so many more potential volunteers that even if their volunteering rate is an order of magnitude less, they'd still come out ahead. These market statistics are pointless. The numbers are based on people reporting their OS and usage. A system like Microsoft or Apple can use a unique host id when checking for system updates which can tabulate this data. Linux is possible to do same, I don't voluntarily run linux so I don't know it as much as I do BSD. However, on BSD, we have to purposely select, download, configure and use a product to track, I know there are large corporations that use BSD (in one shape or form) for their OS, it's just not reported. I check the market share/statistics every now and then to see what the trend is, but I consider them very one-sided and personally very useless to show the actual usage. My 2 cents. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd - for the win
On Jun 12 2010 13:53, Tim Judd wrote: These market statistics are pointless. The numbers are based on people reporting their OS and usage. A system like Microsoft or Apple can use a unique host id when checking for system updates which can tabulate this data. Linux is possible to do same, I don't voluntarily run linux so I don't know it as much as I do BSD. However, on BSD, we have to purposely select, download, configure and use a product to track, I know there are large corporations that use BSD (in one shape or form) for their OS, it's just not reported. I check the market share/statistics every now and then to see what the trend is, but I consider them very one-sided and personally very useless to show the actual usage. My 2 cents. Call me fatalistic, but I think there is a direct relationship between FreeBSD's high quality and it's lack of popularity. If it catered to the common herd, its compromises would be many. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd - for the win
On Sat 12 Jun 2010 at 13:12:55 PDT Chip Camden wrote: Call me fatalistic, but I think there is a direct relationship between FreeBSD's high quality and it's lack of popularity. If it catered to the common herd, its compromises would be many. I think we're straying from the original topic, but I agree. I worked at Microsoft Developer Support in a previous life, beginning at the time that Visual C++ and MFC were first introduced. One of Microsoft's big selling points was what they called wizards -- basically, a set of simple, dialog-based code-generation tools. What I observed, over and over again, is that people would use the wizards to create simple MFC applications and then get hopelessly stuck as soon as they needed to do something the wizards or the MFC framework didn't easily provide. All the wizards had accomplished was to move the point where people got stuck; they hadn't done anything to increase people's understanding of how MFC-based code worked or how best to customize it. What the wizards did accomplish was to bring in a whole bunch of new customers who were encouraged to think of themselves as MFC programmers, without requiring them to have even the most elementary competence in MFC. I'm reminded of this whenever I see proposals to make the FreeBSD system install and configuration more graphical and user-friendly. Same goes for the ports system. As one of my old colleagues used to say, There are no shortcuts to the righthand side of the learning curve. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
detached a mounted ufs filesystem
I accidentally detached my usb external hard drive without umount it. The hard driver filesysystem is ufs. Now I can't mount it because I can't see the slices. What I get is only da0 and da0a in the /dev directory. Is there a way to fix the filesystem? Thanks, Xihong ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: detached a mounted ufs filesystem
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:46:26 -0400, Xihong Yin x...@gmx.com wrote: I accidentally detached my usb external hard drive without umount it. The hard driver filesysystem is ufs. Now I can't mount it because I can't see the slices. What I get is only da0 and da0a in the /dev directory. Is there a way to fix the filesystem? First of all, what does # fdisk da0 say? Has there already been a try to run fsck for this disk? Which layout (slices, partitions) should the disk contain? In case you lost just a partition table, install the program testdisk from ports or packages. If you don't have a backup of the data on the disk, keep in mind that everything you do is basically able to do more damage. If you have enough hard disk space, make a dd copy of the whole disk first and continue working with this 1:1 copy. Before you start using forensic tools, you should try to get the disk back into action. If this fails, we'll talk about how to recover files. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd - for the win
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 06:43:19PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 12/06/2010 16:38:13, Chad Perrin wrote: I don't mean to belittle anyone's accomplishments, of course, but I don't find it astonishing at all. FreeBSD's development model is one that encourages people to develop what they use, and to use what they develop, and it doesn't exclude people for rules of arbitrary hiring practices. When your software is developed and/or maintained by way of a more meritocratic system in which people are eating their own dog food and the developers/maintainers are self-selected in large part because of their *interest* in what they develop or maintain, it would be surprising to me if something like FreeBSD *didn't* end up doing better than something like MacOS X, which is developed and maintained under an autocratic model wherein many of the developers and maintainers were assigned to their respective projects (regardless of interest) after being hired due to their resume bullet points (regardless of actual ability). You are entirely correct, as far as MacOS X itself goes, although I suspect that Apples' core developers are equally as interested in what they do as FreeBSD's. (Not least because there is quite a bit of overlap between those groups.) The MacOS X core developers are pretty much working alone, though, which does tend to give popular open source projects like FreeBSD a bit of an advantage in that regard. I'm also pretty sure that MacOS X doesn't benefit from the same percentage of core developers who are *personally* invested the way FreeBSD core developers are. MacPorts however is not an official Apple controlled thing (although it does have Apple's full support). It's a volunteer project with maintainers and committers in very much the same roles as the equivalents for FreeBSD ports. True. I wonder if the level of volunteer interest is as high for a proprietary OS. Do you know of any statistics for that? Given that MacOS X has, what, about 5.8% of the entire world desktop userbase (compare: Linux 1.2%, FreeBSD not even on the graph according to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems) they have so many more potential volunteers that even if their volunteering rate is an order of magnitude less, they'd still come out ahead. As someone else mentioned, those statistics tend to favor those who prefer to control their software even after they've distributed it to others -- *not* open source software, in other words. . . . and, given that I suspect most people are less interested in volunteering for supporting a closed source, proprietary system (yes, I'm aware Darwin is open source, but the OS as a whole is not), I believe it likely that the volunteer rate is about an order of magnitude or so less than for FreeBSD (all else being equal). All of this is guesswork and conjecture, though. Take it for what it's worth. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpmIbtNIqBNp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: freebsd - for the win
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 01:12:55PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: Call me fatalistic, but I think there is a direct relationship between FreeBSD's high quality and it's lack of popularity. If it catered to the common herd, its compromises would be many. I believe there is such a relationship, too. I think the obvious way to interpret this recognition of the relationship is as a causal relationship where lack of popularity is what (helps/makes) FreeBSD maintain higher quality, but I think that's mostly the wrong way around. Rather, it is the focus on quality over quantity that keeps it unpopular (relative to other OSes, anyway). I also believe that is the correct decision, without reservation. There are things that could be done to improve FreeBSD's suitability and attractiveness to a wider audience without sacrificing that focus on quality at all -- that could, in fact, improve that attractiveness while serving the focus in quality. Such things tend to get neglected, though, and I think it is in part because of a negative reaction to the idea that populism involves sacrifices of quality. Popularity, per se, does not result in poorer quality. Populism, however, does -- and both greater popularity *and* a desire for greater popularity can create populism. Note that I'm using the term populism in a pejorative, apolitical sense, and not in the sense of advocacy for the rights of the people, et cetera. Anyway . . . for my OS of choice (FreeBSD at the moment), I'd much rather err on the side of elitism and quality than on that of egalitarianism and quantity. I just find the occasional statement (which I do *not* think is what you were saying) that we should actively *avoid* popularity for the sake of quality quite annoying. I just find the occasional statement (which I do *not* think is what you were saying) that we should actively *avoid* popularity for the sake of quality . . . well, I find it quite annoying. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpu8tdRj56MK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: freebsd - for the win
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 03:51:32PM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote: I worked at Microsoft Developer Support in a previous life, beginning at the time that Visual C++ and MFC were first introduced. One of Microsoft's big selling points was what they called wizards -- basically, a set of simple, dialog-based code-generation tools. What I observed, over and over again, is that people would use the wizards to create simple MFC applications and then get hopelessly stuck as soon as they needed to do something the wizards or the MFC framework didn't easily provide. All the wizards had accomplished was to move the point where people got stuck; they hadn't done anything to increase people's understanding of how MFC-based code worked or how best to customize it. What the wizards did accomplish was to bring in a whole bunch of new customers who were encouraged to think of themselves as MFC programmers, without requiring them to have even the most elementary competence in MFC. I'm reminded of this whenever I see proposals to make the FreeBSD system install and configuration more graphical and user-friendly. Same goes for the ports system. I understand that point of view, and I agree as far as it goes. I find no particular value in adding gradients and clicky mouse-operated buttons to an OS installer. In fact, that sort of thing tends to slow me down significantly, interfering with the efficiency of the installation process. What I *do* find to be of value, however, is improving the installation process so that it is clearer what is going on at each step and improving the efficiency of it without damaging its flexibility. I don't have any problem with making it easier for a new user to understand and use, as long as it doesn't interfere with the suitability for experts who don't care about whooshing noises, 3D animations, helpful cartoon characters, and the ability to use a mouse where it's not really needed. In fact, I think the world would be a better place if more people used FreeBSD, almost regardless of their levels of technical expertise -- as long as the OS doesn't start catering to their demands for Clippy and spinning logos that take three minutes to load. As one of my old colleagues used to say, There are no shortcuts to the righthand side of the learning curve. True, of course. I don't know how exactly you mean your statements to come off, but I feel compelled to point out that this doesn't exclude the occasional usefulness of giving some shortcuts between one (limited) learning curve and another (far less limited) learning curve, though, as we get if the path from MS Windows to FreeBSD (for instance) is made a little clearer. This is, after all, why we have things like quick introductions to programming languages: to help people do something like learn how to program in Common Lisp after having spent several years screwing around with VB.NET (for a particularly egregious example). Such a move from one learning curve to another can be a real eye-opener, and might result in eventually producing the next FreeBSD core developer. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpqNjaglYH8G.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: freebsd - for the win
Hello Charlie Kester, Am 2010-06-12 15:51:32, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: I worked at Microsoft Developer Support in a previous life, beginning at the time that Visual C++ and MFC were first introduced. Hahaha, you where Killed by a Microsoft Customer... And when you knoked at the door of god, he sent you back to earth to do it better using now FreeBSD... ;-) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsyst...@tdnet France EURL itsyst...@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd - for the win
On Sat 12 Jun 2010 at 18:17:22 PDT Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello Charlie Kester, Am 2010-06-12 15:51:32, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: I worked at Microsoft Developer Support in a previous life, beginning at the time that Visual C++ and MFC were first introduced. Hahaha, you where Killed by a Microsoft Customer... And when you knoked at the door of god, he sent you back to earth to do it better using now FreeBSD... ;-) Yeah, something like that. I'm doing the Lord's work now. :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: detached a mounted ufs filesystem
'fdisk /dev/da0' output is *** Working on device /dev/da0 *** parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=14593 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=14593 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl) Media sector size is 512 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 1 is: sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 63, size 234436482 (114470 Meg), flag 80 (active) beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63 The data for partition 2 is: UNUSED The data for partition 3 is: UNUSED The data for partition 4 is: UNUSED I tried 'fsck_ufs /dev/da0', it says ** /dev/da0 Cannot find file system superblock ioctl (GCINFO): Inappropriate ioctl for device fsck_ufs: /dev/da0: can't read disk label I forget what layout the disk has. Normally I used /dev/da0s1d to mount the disk. What the next step should I do? Thanks, - Original Message - From: Polytropon Sent: 06/12/10 08:16 PM To: Xihong Yin Subject: Re: detached a mounted ufs filesystem On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:46:26 -0400, Xihong Yin x...@gmx.com wrote: I accidentally detached my usb external hard drive without umount it. The hard driver filesysystem is ufs. Now I can't mount it because I can't see the slices. What I get is only da0 and da0a in the /dev directory. Is there a way to fix the filesystem? First of all, what does # fdisk da0 say? Has there already been a try to run fsck for this disk? Which layout (slices, partitions) should the disk contain? In case you lost just a partition table, install the program testdisk from ports or packages. If you don't have a backup of the data on the disk, keep in mind that everything you do is basically able to do more damage. If you have enough hard disk space, make a dd copy of the whole disk first and continue working with this 1:1 copy. Before you start using forensic tools, you should try to get the disk back into action. If this fails, we'll talk about how to recover files. :-) -- Polytropon M agdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd - for the win
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Charlie Kester corky1...@comcast.net wrote: On Sat 12 Jun 2010 at 18:17:22 PDT Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello Charlie Kester, Am 2010-06-12 15:51:32, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: I worked at Microsoft Developer Support in a previous life, beginning at the time that Visual C++ and MFC were first introduced. Hahaha, you where Killed by a Microsoft Customer... And when you knoked at the door of god, he sent you back to earth to do it better using now FreeBSD... ;-) Yeah, something like that. I'm doing the Lord's work now. :) Ha ha :) Well, theological debate aside for now, I've always thought of the BSD license as a sort of ultimate expression of Free Will in computing... -Brandon ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Directory Passwords
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 02:52:59PM -0400, Mike Robins wrote: Hi there, I currently am running a FreeBSD/Samba server for my company with public shares for all of the employees to keep their work related documents in. I'm wondering if it is possible for me to keep these shares public and add a password to each sub directory in the public share? This would mean I could give each department a sub directory that only they would know the password to and keep the sensitive documents away from public view. Any password known to a group of people quickly becomes public knowledge. If you really need to restrict access to a share, this won't do it securely. In jobs I've had where it was necessary to restrict access to network shares, there was a central security server that was aware of me after I successfully logged on to my computer, and automatically gave me access to any share that a project manager had given me rights to, while blocking me from any share to which no project manager had given me rights. I'm pretty sure you can integrate Samba into such a system, but how to do it is a Samba related question, not a FreeBSD question. Best of luck. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
