Re: How to build a BROKEN port?

2010-12-30 Thread Chris Rees
On 30 December 2010 07:21, Da Rock
freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote:
 On 12/30/10 15:52, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:

 Charlie Kestercorky1...@comcast.net  wrote:



 Most of the time, possessives are formed with apostrophe+s.  I'm
 not sure, but its might be the only exception to the rule ...


 It's seems to be the most common misusage, but I have seen her's,
 our's, and occasionally their's.  Interestingly, I've never seen
 anyone write hi's when meaning his.



 On the other hand, people who write loose when they mean lose
 deserve our most scathing scorn.  :)


 Perhaps they have merely lost their linguistic bearings.

 Innaddverttentt ddoubblle llettterss ccann occcassionnallly bbee
 ccaussedd bby ffllakkeey kkeeybbooarddss :))


 I find most teenagers (and getting older too) can't tell the difference- and
 its not their keyboards.

 Oddly enough, their teachers do it on a regular basis as well: in their
 handwriting!

This teacher doesn't thank you very much! That is, if the poor kids
can read my writing

Chris
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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

2010-12-30 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 30/12/2010 01:21, n j wrote:
 Thanks for the input, I'll look into the suggested options:
 
 http://arpnetworks.com/vps
 http://www.rootbsd.net/virtual-hosting/
 http://www.johncompanies.com/jc_bsd.html
 
 If you know of any other FreeBSD VPS providers, please share.

For people this side of the pond,

Not *V*PS, but hetzner.de provide some pretty good deals on dedicated
servers.

exonetric.com do FreeBSD Jails

elastichosts.com do VPSes of all sorts, including FreeBSD on top of
LinuxKVM.

Cheers,

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Re: How to build a BROKEN port?

2010-12-30 Thread Da Rock

On 12/30/10 18:10, Chris Rees wrote:

On 30 December 2010 07:21, Da Rock
freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au  wrote:
   

On 12/30/10 15:52, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 

Charlie Kestercorky1...@comcast.netwrote:


   

Most of the time, possessives are formed with apostrophe+s.  I'm
not sure, but its might be the only exception to the rule ...

 

It's seems to be the most common misusage, but I have seen her's,
our's, and occasionally their's.  Interestingly, I've never seen
anyone write hi's when meaning his.


   

On the other hand, people who write loose when they mean lose
deserve our most scathing scorn.  :)

 

Perhaps they have merely lost their linguistic bearings.

Innaddverttentt ddoubblle llettterss ccann occcassionnallly bbee
ccaussedd bby ffllakkeey kkeeybbooarddss :))

   

I find most teenagers (and getting older too) can't tell the difference- and
its not their keyboards.

Oddly enough, their teachers do it on a regular basis as well: in their
handwriting!
 

This teacher doesn't thank you very much! That is, if the poor kids
can read my writing

Chris
   
Sorry, but on the upside it does seem to be centered on Queensland, 
Australia; with expanding concentric circles from there.


The driving tends to follow this general intelligence level as well... ;)

(I was brought up and taught in the southern states)
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Re: How to build a BROKEN port?

2010-12-30 Thread Da Rock

On 12/30/10 20:12, Eitan Adler wrote:

Edit the port's Makefile and comment-out the BROKEN line.
   

Generally - don't do this.

   
I kinda got that impression already, but can someone enlighten me why 
(apart from the obvious, of course- it could break the makefile if you 
forget)? And is that in general or just this line?


I ask because I'm currently editing the Makefile with some new variables 
to test a fix.
   

Oh, the irony! :) I considered doing that, but I thought there might have
been some magic incantation that got around this...

 

There is
make -DTRYBROKEN

   
Thanks for the reply, but can someone tell me if this is documented 
anywhere particularly? I'm going to be pissed if I missed it ;)


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Re: How to build a BROKEN port?

2010-12-30 Thread Eitan Adler

 Edit the port's Makefile and comment-out the BROKEN line.

Generally - don't do this.



 Oh, the irony! :) I considered doing that, but I thought there might have
 been some magic incantation that got around this...


There is
make -DTRYBROKEN

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Re: Portmaster general questions and problems

2010-12-30 Thread Thomas Mueller
Threads about portmaster and portupgrade status raise the question, what flags 
for portmaster are comparable to -R and -r for portupgrade?

I might want to portupgrade a package and all its dependencies (-R), or less 
frequently, all packages that depend on the package to be portupgraded (-r).  
How would I do that using portmaster?  I read both man pages many times.

Tom

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Re: How to build a BROKEN port?

2010-12-30 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:31:37 -0800, mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) 
wrote:
 Giorgos == Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr writes:

 Giorgos Edit it's 'Makefile'.  Look for an assignment of the form:

 Minor nit... that's its not it's.  If you can't say it is or it
 has in place, then it's its, not it's. :)

True. I should be more careful about spelling when I post aftre 02:00am
in the night!  Thanks :)

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Re: How to build a BROKEN port?

2010-12-30 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 30/12/2010 10:37, Da Rock wrote:
 On 12/30/10 20:12, Eitan Adler wrote:

 Edit the port's Makefile and comment-out the BROKEN line.

 Generally - don't do this.

 I kinda got that impression already, but can someone enlighten me why
 (apart from the obvious, of course- it could break the makefile if you
 forget)? And is that in general or just this line?

This advice is correct for someone who just wants to /use/ the ports --
not so good if your intention is to /develop/ the ports.  And I think
fixing the reason a port is marked BROKEN certainly puts you in the
development camp.

A very good tip: if you are editing the port, then it pays to check it
out from one of the anon-CVS servers while you work on it.  You get all
the usual VCS capabilities and it's easier to revert any changes etc.
You don't need to check out the whole ports tree -- just your port of
interest will be fine, and you don't need to keep it in the normal ports
tree.

See Ion Mihai's article here for lots of good practices:

http://ionut.tetcu.info/FreeBSD/How-to-submit-a-diff.txt

and all about FreeBSD Anon-CVS here:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/anoncvs.html

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: How to build a BROKEN port?

2010-12-30 Thread Eitan Adler
 Thanks for the reply, but can someone tell me if this is documented anywhere
 particularly? I'm going to be pissed if I missed it ;)

It does not seem to be documented anywhere.  I found it by grepping
for BROKEN in the Mk subdirectory. I will submit a pr now to add it to
ports(7) and the top of bsd.port.mk



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Re: How to build a BROKEN port?

2010-12-30 Thread Chris Rees
I'm pretty sure it's in the Porter's Handbook under the marking as BROKEN
section

Chris



Sorry for top-posting, Android won't let me quote, but K-9 can't yet do
threading.
On 30 Dec 2010 11:32, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote:
 Thanks for the reply, but can someone tell me if this is documented
anywhere
 particularly? I'm going to be pissed if I missed it ;)

 It does not seem to be documented anywhere. I found it by grepping
 for BROKEN in the Mk subdirectory. I will submit a pr now to add it to
 ports(7) and the top of bsd.port.mk



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Re: How to build a BROKEN port?

2010-12-30 Thread Eitan Adler
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Chris Rees utis...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm pretty sure it's in the Porter's Handbook under the marking as BROKEN
 section

Heh - now I feel silly for missing it :-{
Either way it should be documented in ports(7) and bsd.port.mk.

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Re: Portmaster general questions and problems

2010-12-30 Thread Christopher J. Ruwe
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:59:49 +
Thomas Mueller mueller6...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Threads about portmaster and portupgrade status raise the question,
 what flags for portmaster are comparable to -R and -r for portupgrade?
 
 I might want to portupgrade a package and all its dependencies (-R),
 or less frequently, all packages that depend on the package to be
 portupgraded (-r).  How would I do that using portmaster?  I read
 both man pages many times.
 
 Tom
 
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Hi Tom,

I never gave it much thought, however, I am under the impression that
portmaster does not require an explicit flag to do that.

When installing some port, then I use portmaster -D /usr/port/some
port path, the -D determining that I do not want to be prompted
whether to retain the old distfiles or not, but to retain them (-d
being the converse and deleting old distfiles). Using portmaster in the
way described checks for dependencies and automagically updates them in
case there are newer available.

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Re: How to build a BROKEN port?

2010-12-30 Thread Chris Rees
I agree. Go for it!

Chris



Sorry for top-posting, Android won't let me quote, but K-9 can't yet do
threading.
On 30 Dec 2010 11:44, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Chris Rees utis...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm pretty sure it's in the Porter's Handbook under the marking as BROKEN
 section

 Heh - now I feel silly for missing it :-{
 Either way it should be documented in ports(7) and bsd.port.mk.

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Re: Portmaster general questions and problems

2010-12-30 Thread Christopher J. Ruwe
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:47:59 +0100
Christopher J. Ruwe c...@cruwe.de wrote:

 On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:59:49 +
 Thomas Mueller mueller6...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
  Threads about portmaster and portupgrade status raise the question,
  what flags for portmaster are comparable to -R and -r for
  portupgrade?
  
  I might want to portupgrade a package and all its dependencies (-R),
  or less frequently, all packages that depend on the package to be
  portupgraded (-r).  How would I do that using portmaster?  I read
  both man pages many times.
  
  Tom
  
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 Hi Tom,
 
 I never gave it much thought, however, I am under the impression that
 portmaster does not require an explicit flag to do that.
 
 When installing some port, then I use portmaster -D /usr/port/some
 port path, the -D determining that I do not want to be prompted
 whether to retain the old distfiles or not, but to retain them (-d
 being the converse and deleting old distfiles). Using portmaster in
 the way described checks for dependencies and automagically updates
 them in case there are newer available.
 
 Cheers, 

Sorry for missing one part (the -r) of your question ... how does [-R]
-r name/glob of port directory in /var/db/pkg rebuild the specified
port, and all ports that depend on it in the portmaster man page sound
to you and does it do what you a requiring? 

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MySQL 5.5.7-5.5.8 Gotcha!

2010-12-30 Thread Odhiambo Washington
I am seeing a problem I am unable to solve after upgrading from 5.5.7 -
5.5.8.
I am installing Request Tracket and I get the following error (which is in
no way related to RT, I think):

cut
Character set 'latin1' is not a compiled character set and is not specified
in the '/usr/local/share/mysql/charsets/Index.xml' file
Failed to connect to dbi:mysql:;host=localhost as user 'root': Can't
initialize character set latin1 (path: /usr/local/share/mysql/charsets/)***
Error code 255
/cut

The Index.xml lists latin1 character set and even the file containing the
charsets is there. I still don't think I should downgrade, but google isn't
helping me much!


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Re: How to build a BROKEN port?

2010-12-30 Thread Da Rock

On 12/30/10 21:44, Eitan Adler wrote:

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Chris Reesutis...@gmail.com  wrote:
   

I'm pretty sure it's in the Porter's Handbook under the marking as BROKEN
section
 

Heh - now I feel silly for missing it :-{
Either way it should be documented in ports(7) and bsd.port.mk.

   
Not as silly as me: I read through that section thoroughly trying to 
work out the mechanics of it all, and the bsd.port.mk file...

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Gnome-Panel fails to upgrade

2010-12-30 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
?I am unable to upgrade /x11/gnome-panel. every time i run portupgrade -a, i 
fails with the following line while compiling


---
g-ir-scanner: warning: Option --strip-prefix has been deprecated;
see --identifier-prefix and --symbol-prefix.
Couldn't find include 'GConf-2.0.gir' (search path: ['.', 
'/usr/local/share/gir-1.0', '/usr/share/gir-1.0', 
'/usr/local/share/gir-1.0'])

gmake[3]: *** [PanelApplet-3.0.gir] Error 1
gmake[3]: Leaving directory 
`/usr/ports/x11/gnome-panel/work/gnome-panel-2.32.1/libpanel-applet'



this obviously has the bad effect of blocking 21 other ports from getting 
updated (aka, the rest of gnome)


anyone have any clue of what needs to be done to fix this issue? 


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Re: Gnome-Panel fails to upgrade

2010-12-30 Thread Da Rock

On 12/30/10 23:41, Sean Cavanaugh wrote:
?I am unable to upgrade /x11/gnome-panel. every time i run portupgrade 
-a, i fails with the following line while compiling


--- 


g-ir-scanner: warning: Option --strip-prefix has been deprecated;
see --identifier-prefix and --symbol-prefix.
Couldn't find include 'GConf-2.0.gir' (search path: ['.', 
'/usr/local/share/gir-1.0', '/usr/share/gir-1.0', 
'/usr/local/share/gir-1.0'])

gmake[3]: *** [PanelApplet-3.0.gir] Error 1
gmake[3]: Leaving directory 
`/usr/ports/x11/gnome-panel/work/gnome-panel-2.32.1/libpanel-applet'
 



this obviously has the bad effect of blocking 21 other ports from 
getting updated (aka, the rest of gnome)


anyone have any clue of what needs to be done to fix this issue?

Have you checked the search path yourself?
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graphics/graphviz fails to install

2010-12-30 Thread Da Rock
I'm following pr 147290, and I'm trying to fix it. I'm not sure how 
OpenEXR got involved but it is, and I need some help figuring out posix 
threads. I know I've bitten off way more than I can probably chew, but I 
will anyway :) I swallowed whole a medium mandarin when I was ten, so 
I'm used to it.


The output where it failed:

if test x = x; then if test -x /usr/local/bin/dot; then if test -x 
/sbin/ldconfig; then /sbin/ldconfig 2/dev/null; fi; /usr/local/bin/dot 
-c; else /usr/local/bin/dot_static -c; fi; fi

terminate called after throwing an instance of 'Iex::EinvalExc'
  what():  Cannot lock mutex (Invalid argument).
gmake[4]: *** [install-exec-hook] Abort trap: 6 (core dumped)


Based on the info in the pr and looking at IlmThreadPool.cpp, it seems 
that thread is locked in preparation for its destruction. It can't lock 
and so it has a bitch about it and throws something.


Why I think along these lines is as I've read in the pr (someone more 
experienced than me debugged this far) the program fails at the 
lock(threadMutex) function and doesn't even run the finish() which shuts 
them down nicely (as I see it). According to IlmThreadPool.cpp finish() 
signals the threads to stop and waits for them. But if it can't lock and 
finish() doesn't run then SHTF and it complains.


Am I way off track? Or am I clear as mud? I think I'm struggling to find 
why it won't lock... One thought that crossed my mind is that the thread 
and/or mutex doesn't exist at this point- hence the invalid argument.


I read wikipedia on posix threads, and I know that doesn't even come 
close to what I facing here; I need to learn somehow though :)

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gnome to kde

2010-12-30 Thread xinyou yan
 I want to use kde instead of  gnome

How can i delete gnome  completely
(I am afraid to  delete others or less delete )

thank you
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Re: gnome to kde

2010-12-30 Thread Eitan Adler
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:53 AM, xinyou yan yxy@gmail.com wrote:
  I want to use kde instead of  gnome

 How can i delete gnome  completely
 (I am afraid to  delete others or less delete )

Use pkg_rmleaves (ports) to remove the leaf ports of gnome and keep
in going thru until you don't see anything to gnome related. IMHO its
better when doing such a massive switch to either a) delete all the
ports from your system and start from scratch or b) leave the kde
stuff and delete the ones you don't use during your normal cleaning
cycle.

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Re: a new hard-drive in a 2y/o laptop

2010-12-30 Thread Chris Brennan
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote:

 I don't expect this to be anything like that.  Please show a) how many
 slices you allocated and how big this FreeBSD slice is and b) how you
 partitioned the FreeBSD slice into (and sizes of) / /var/ /usr [/tmp?]
 and especially swap.

 I wouldn't allocate any less than 1GB for your root (/) partition esp.
 if building custom kernel/s; maybe that's fixed in sysinstall for 8.2?

 cheers, Ian  (please cc me on any reply; I take -questions as a digest)


I cleaned out the thread, leaving only your last bit of questions here.

I did apparently screw up the 'dd' cmd, I retyped it correctly, below is my
(very carefully) retyped recreation of the Fixit prompt;

[..]
Fixit# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad4 oseek-0 bs=512 count=1
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
512 bytes transferred ub 0.044723 secs (11448 bytes/sec)
Fixit# fdisk -Bi /dev/ad4
*** Working on device /dev/ad4 ***
parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are:
cylinders=1453521 heads=16 sectors/tracks=63 (1008 blks/cyl)

Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1
parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are:
cylinders=1453521 heads=16 sectors/tracks=63 (1008 blks/cyl)

Do you want to change our idea of what BIOS thinks ? [n]
[..]

This is where I stopped, admittedly, I do not know how to use FreeBSD's
fdisk. For the sake of brevity and to move along, I'll break fdisk here and
move back to sysinstall and provide what information I can this way.

From sysinstalls menu, I choose 'Standard', next is the usual message about
fdisk partitioning schemes. After this, I get a 'User Confirmation Request',
which is very similar to the warning I received above. It says

[..]
WARNING: It is safe to use a geometry of 1453521/16/63 for ad4 on computers
with modern BIOS versions. If this disk is to be uised on an old machine it
is recommended that it does not have more then 65535 cylinders, more then
255 heads, or more then 63 sectors per track.

Would you like to keep using the current geometry?

Yes No
[..]

This is where I have two choices

Choice 1 (YES) produces the following in fdisk when choosing 'a' to use the
whole disk.

[..]
OffsetSize(ST)EndNamePTypeDescSubtype
Flags
06362-12unused0
6314651491051465149167ad4s18freebsd165
[..]

Choice 2 (NO) produces the following in fdisk when choosing 'a' to use the
whole disk.
[..]
If you are not sure about this, please consult the Hardware Guide in the
Documentation submenu or use the {G}eometry command to change it. Remember:
You need to eneter whatever your BIOS thinks the geometry is! For IDE, it's
what you were told in the BIOS setup. For SCSI, It's the translation mode
your controller is using. Do NOT use a ''physical geometry''.
OK
[..]

[..]
OffsetSize(ST)EndNamePTypeDescSubtype
Flags
06362-12unused0
6314651440021465144064ad4s18freebsd165
146514406551031465149167-12unused0
[..]

Decidedly, the end result is approximately 698GB for the usable partition,
the second choice giving me a padding on both sides of the freebsd slice.

Moving on now, I choose the following

Standard MBR

Disklebel Editor

[..]
PartMountSizenewfs
--
ad4s1a/512MBUFS2   Y
ad4s1bswap4096MBSWAP
ad4s1d/var4973MBUFS2+S Y
ad4s1e/tmp512MBUFS2+S Y
ad4s1f/usr688GBUFS2+S Y
[..]

Decidedly not my first choice for 8.1/amd64, but I can fix that layout
later, once I know how to get the system installed correctly.

'Q' to quick and continue, I choose 'Minimal' then 'CD/DVD' as my
installation media. I got the usual 'Last Chance' warning and then bam, I
get

[..]
Unable to find device node for /dev/ad4s1b in /dev!
The creation of filesystems will be aborted.
OK
Couldn't make filesystems properly. Aborting.
OK
Installation completed with some errors. You may wish to scroll through the
debugging messages on VTY1 with the scroll-lock feature. You can also choose
No at the next prompt and go back into the installation menus to retry
whichever operations have failed.
OK
[..]

And this is where I am left. Hopefully, I've been explicit enough this time
:D Again, if I've missed something, please let me know and I shall provide
it.
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Detecting updates to ports not installed

2010-12-30 Thread Chip Camden
Hello fellow BSDophiles,

The chromium port is trying my patience.  I'm not using it now, because of
its unpatched vulnerabilities.  Buit I'm keeping it installed, so I'll be
notified by portversion when an update comes through.  Is there a more
excellent way to receive the same sort of notification for a port that is
not installed?

Regards,

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Re: Detecting updates to ports not installed

2010-12-30 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 08:19:00AM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
 Hello fellow BSDophiles,
 
 The chromium port is trying my patience.  I'm not using it now, because of
 its unpatched vulnerabilities.  Buit I'm keeping it installed, so I'll be
 notified by portversion when an update comes through.  Is there a more
 excellent way to receive the same sort of notification for a port that is
 not installed?

I think you can use http://www.freshports.org for that purpose.
(I have never used it myself, but it looks like it should do the
trick.)




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Re: Portmaster general questions and problems

2010-12-30 Thread Warren Block

On Thu, 30 Dec 2010, Thomas Mueller wrote:


Threads about portmaster and portupgrade status raise the question, what flags 
for portmaster are comparable to -R and -r for portupgrade?

I might want to portupgrade a package and all its dependencies (-R), 
or less frequently, all packages that depend on the package to be 
portupgraded (-r).  How would I do that using portmaster?  I read both 
man pages many times.


Those look backwards to me.  It's extremely rare for me to upgrade 
everything that a given port depends on (-R), but common to upgrade a 
port and everything that depends on it (-r).


Anyway... as I understand the man pages:

portmaster ...= portupgrade -r ...
portmaster -r ... = portupgrade -rf ...
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Re: Detecting updates to ports not installed

2010-12-30 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Erik Trulsson on Thursday, 30 December 2010:
 On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 08:19:00AM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
  Hello fellow BSDophiles,
  
  The chromium port is trying my patience.  I'm not using it now, because of
  its unpatched vulnerabilities.  Buit I'm keeping it installed, so I'll be
  notified by portversion when an update comes through.  Is there a more
  excellent way to receive the same sort of notification for a port that is
  not installed?
 
 I think you can use http://www.freshports.org for that purpose.
 (I have never used it myself, but it looks like it should do the
 trick.)
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Insert your favourite quote here.
 Erik Trulsson
 ertr1...@student.uu.se

The regular freshports newsletter includes new ports and some version
updates, but not all.  I don't see a way to subscribe to all updates
for chromium (e.g.).  But perhaps I'm just missing the appropriate link.

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Re: Detecting updates to ports not installed

2010-12-30 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 30/12/2010 18:51, Chip Camden wrote:
 The regular freshports newsletter includes new ports and some version
 updates, but not all.  I don't see a way to subscribe to all updates
 for chromium (e.g.).  But perhaps I'm just missing the appropriate link.
 

If you make yourself an account at freshports.org, you can create a
watchlist.  You place whatever ports interest you on it, and you'll get
e-mail any time a change to that port is committed.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Detecting updates to ports not installed

2010-12-30 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Matthew Seaman on Thursday, 30 December 2010:
 On 30/12/2010 18:51, Chip Camden wrote:
  The regular freshports newsletter includes new ports and some version
  updates, but not all.  I don't see a way to subscribe to all updates
  for chromium (e.g.).  But perhaps I'm just missing the appropriate link.
  
 
 If you make yourself an account at freshports.org, you can create a
 watchlist.  You place whatever ports interest you on it, and you'll get
 e-mail any time a change to that port is committed.
 
   Cheers,
 
   Matthew
 
 -- 
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   Flat 3
 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate
 JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk   Kent, CT11 9PW
 


Bingo!  Thanks, that's exactly what I needed.  Although it took a while
to figure out how to do it.  Suggestion for Freshports:  add an add to
watch list button on the page for each port.

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disyfiles

2010-12-30 Thread wayne mitchell
hey
i have a freeBSD 8.1 RELEASE system working off-line
and a windows b'band connection
my b'band connection has downloads limits
i would like to get a hold of all 'relevant' distilfes - the current size of
the complete distfiles tree is 140GB
i have cottoned onto the idea of having somebody copy the entire tree onto
HDD and posting it over
if there is a department that is able to do this or you have any other ideas
for a solution
do let me know

happy to pay a few bucks - though i am not pro - just for hobbies

thanks
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Re: How to build a BROKEN port?

2010-12-30 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:52:48 -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Interestingly, I've never seen
 anyone write hi's when meaning his.

Come to Germany, where ' is used to
* indicate that a s will follow,
* indicate that a t will follow, or
* indicate that the word will end.
In most cases, ' is replaced by `.

Inn Germenny new Englis Orfograffy iss, very importent
too the shildren in schol were thei ha've learn how to
propperly write. Nicht`s ist verboten, wenn man nich't
erwischt wird. :-)


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Re: Firefox 3.6 and Java ?

2010-12-30 Thread Richard T C Farnes
On Wednesday 29 December 2010 17:56:03 John Levine wrote:
 I gather that Firefox 3.6 still doesn't work with Java, since the
 glue hasn't been updated.  Is anyone likely to be working on this?

 I'm willing in principle, although my knowledge of both Firefox and
 Java internals is, ah, somewhat limited.

 R's,
 John

I also have this problem with the installation of Firefox. The installation 
process searches for files which it cannot find. When I search for  them on 
websites for Java I cannot find some of the particular files it asks for. It   
seems that the version of Firefox I find  for FreeBSD is not  the latest 
Firefox version. So it wants java programmes that are too old  and not found 
on the java websites anymore. 
Richard.
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freeBSDFoundation donate problem

2010-12-30 Thread Paul Macdonald

I've just tried again to donate to the foundation for the end of year push, but 
3 UK based cards all failed on the groundspring interface  ( 2 x visa, 1 x 
mastercard, all had funds obv)

Paypal also failed stating i couldn't use this card for the transaction (which 
is usable for other purchases fine)

Has anyone else had a problem ( or succeeded) in donakting via the UK, maybe 
there's a wider problem here..

Am posting as maybe someone knows someone who can take a look ( dru lavigne i 
think is related to the foundation)


Also groundsprings support message lists a bouncing support address, major 
g...


gspring_supp...@tides.org: host tides.org.s8b2.psmtp.com[64.18.7.14] said:

550 No such user - psmtp (in reply to RCPT TO command)

Paul.


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Re: Portmaster general questions and problems

2010-12-30 Thread David Brodbeck
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote:
 Those look backwards to me.  It's extremely rare for me to upgrade
 everything that a given port depends on (-R), but common to upgrade a port
 and everything that depends on it (-r).

I've used -R before to correct situations where a freshly built port
misbehaves due to some of its dependencies being too old.  It's also
sometimes handy when there are ABI changes involved, as sometimes
happens with things like Perl and PHP.
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Re: freeBSDFoundation donate problem

2010-12-30 Thread Frank Shute
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:04:23PM +, Paul Macdonald wrote:

 I've just tried again to donate to the foundation for the end of year push, 
 but 3 UK based cards all failed on the groundspring interface  ( 2 x visa, 
 1 x mastercard, all had funds obv)
 
 Paypal also failed stating i couldn't use this card for the transaction 
 (which is usable for other purchases fine)
 
 Has anyone else had a problem ( or succeeded) in donakting via the UK, 
 maybe there's a wider problem here..
 
 Am posting as maybe someone knows someone who can take a look ( dru lavigne 
 i think is related to the foundation)
 
 
 Also groundsprings support message lists a bouncing support address, major 
 g...
 
 
 gspring_supp...@tides.org: host tides.org.s8b2.psmtp.com[64.18.7.14] said:
 
 550 No such user - psmtp (in reply to RCPT TO command)
 
 Paul.

I've succeeded donating from the UK using the Paypal button and a
credit card using this page:

http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/

I couldn't get the DonateNow route to work.

If you try again and still can't get it to work then email:

Deb Goodkin deb AT freebsdfoundation.org

and maybe she can help you out.


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Why are YT vids on FreeBSD all about hacking MSN? (solved)

2010-12-30 Thread Xn Nooby
I wanted to watch some videos about FreeBSD, so I went to Youtube and
searched on FreeBSD.  Then I sorted by Date Uploaded, and almost
all the videos uploaded recently are about hacking MSN.  I went to the
people's profiles, and they had no videos available.  I am guessing
that people are creating fake YT accounts to post a video that then
gets removed by YT.  It makes it impossible to find recent YT videos
about FreeBSD.

I just wondering if anyone else noticed this.

If you do the basic YT search sorted on Relevance, you get really
old FreeBSD videos.


SOLVED:  I just noticed you can filter out msn from your results by
searching for freebsd -msn.
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Where to post FreeBSD tutorials?

2010-12-30 Thread Xn Nooby
If I write a document about how to do something with FreeBSD, is there
a good place to post it, or a link to it?

Something like how to edit a video in FreeBSD, not official documentation.

I usually have to google things to find them, and often find the
answer on stackoverflow or howtoforge.  Sometimes it hard to find
things in google, and sometimes I'm not sure what I'm looking for.
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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

2010-12-30 Thread Frank Shute
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 05:32:28PM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:

  n == n j nin...@gmail.com writes:
 
 n Thanks for the input, I'll look into the suggested options:
 n http://arpnetworks.com/vps
 n http://www.rootbsd.net/virtual-hosting/
 n http://www.johncompanies.com/jc_bsd.html
 
 There are rumors of a FreeBSD AMI for Amazon S3 as well, although I
 can't find it on the prebuilt AMI pages yet.

http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2010-12-13-FreeBSD-on-EC2.html


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HDD READ/Timeout messages after 8.2 Upgrade

2010-12-30 Thread Derrick Ryalls
Greetings,

I replaced mobo/cpu/ram today and found the onboard nic not fully
recognized.  Since the kernel is just over a year old I decided to try a
system upgrade to see if the new hardware would get recognized.

I did a csup this afternoon, then a build world/kernel (kernel is default
but without debugging enabled).  After the reboot step, the system has
started spewing hdd errors such as:

ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=575
Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/label/rootfs
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=3401887
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=3403135
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=3409375
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=3775391
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=388383
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=388427
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=388463
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=388495
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=388743
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=388795
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=389087
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=389015
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=389075
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=3407999
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=2660479
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=2760223
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=2742879
ZFS filesystem version 4
ZFS storage pool version 15
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=2652351
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=2633899
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (0 retries left) LBA=2633899
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=2652159
ad12: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1704757232
ad14: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=637648115
ad14: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL48 retrying (0 retries left) LBA=637648115
ad8: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=637646968
ad12: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=637646967
ad14: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL48 retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1682297102
ad6: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=3400319

/copy

The hardware is a 30g SSD for the O/S and system, and a 4x 2TB RAIDZ array
for all else.  Reverting to the old kernel has gotten the system back to
normal operation, but I would like to move forward.  I found a message from
someone experiencing a similar issue, but it was geli related and had
hardware errors in the message.

Above ad6 is the UFS SSD, all other drives are SATA RAIDZ spinning disks
(ad16 is non-raid spinning disk ZFS).  I have attached the dmesg from the
8.2 PRE-RELEASE kernel.

The physical hardware seems fine, particularly since it works on the 8.0
system.  Not sure how to troubleshoot and isolate the issue.

Any pointers?

TIA
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FreeBSD 8.2-PRERELEASE #0: Thu Dec 30 17:05:48 PST 2010
u...@example.com:/spare/obj/spare/src/sys/FRODO amd64
Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 640 Processor (3010.07-MHz K8-class CPU)
  Origin = AuthenticAMD  Id = 0x100f53  Family = 10  Model = 5  Stepping = 3
  
Features=0x178bfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT
  Features2=0x802009SSE3,MON,CX16,POPCNT
  AMD 
Features=0xee500800SYSCALL,NX,MMX+,FFXSR,Page1GB,RDTSCP,LM,3DNow!+,3DNow!
  AMD 
Features2=0x37ffLAHF,CMP,SVM,ExtAPIC,CR8,ABM,SSE4A,MAS,Prefetch,OSVW,IBS,SKINIT,WDT
  TSC: P-state invariant
real memory  = 8589934592 (8192 MB)
avail memory = 8251383808 (7869 MB)
ACPI APIC Table: 082410 APIC1853
FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs
FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 4 core(s)
 cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID:  0
 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID:  1
 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID:  2
 cpu3 (AP): APIC ID:  3
ioapic0 Version 2.1 irqs 0-23 on motherboard
kbd1 at kbdmux0
acpi0: 082410 XSDT1853 on motherboard
acpi0: [ITHREAD]
ACPI Error: [PCI0] Namespace lookup failure, AE_NOT_FOUND (20101013/dswload-772)
ACPI Exception: AE_NOT_FOUND, During name lookup/catalog (20101013/psloop-326)
ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed [\\] (Node 0x80c2e460), 
AE_NOT_FOUND (20101013/psparse-633)
acpi0: Power Button (fixed)
acpi0: reservation of fee0, 1000 (3) failed
acpi0: reservation of ffb8, 8 (3) failed
acpi0: reservation of fec1, 20 (3) failed
acpi0: reservation of fed8, 1000 (3) failed
acpi0: reservation of 0, a (3) failed
acpi0: reservation of 10, dfe0 (3) failed
Timecounter ACPI-fast frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000
acpi_timer0: 32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0
cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0
cpu1: ACPI CPU on acpi0
cpu2: ACPI CPU on acpi0
cpu3: ACPI CPU on acpi0
acpi_ec0: Embedded Controller: GPE 

Re: a new hard-drive in a 2y/o laptop

2010-12-30 Thread Ian Smith
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:17:48 -0500, Chris Brennan wrote:
  On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote:
  
   I don't expect this to be anything like that.  Please show a) how many
   slices you allocated and how big this FreeBSD slice is and b) how you
   partitioned the FreeBSD slice into (and sizes of) / /var/ /usr [/tmp?]
   and especially swap.
  
   I wouldn't allocate any less than 1GB for your root (/) partition esp.
   if building custom kernel/s; maybe that's fixed in sysinstall for 8.2?

  I cleaned out the thread, leaving only your last bit of questions here.

Goodo.  I'll try chopping a bit too ..

  I did apparently screw up the 'dd' cmd, I retyped it correctly, below is my
  (very carefully) retyped recreation of the Fixit prompt;
  
  [..]
  Fixit# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad4 oseek-0 bs=512 count=1

Assuming that's 'oseek=0', which is the default anyway.

  1+0 records in
  1+0 records out
  512 bytes transferred ub 0.044723 secs (11448 bytes/sec)
  Fixit# fdisk -Bi /dev/ad4
  *** Working on device /dev/ad4 ***
  parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are:
  cylinders=1453521 heads=16 sectors/tracks=63 (1008 blks/cyl)
  
  Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1
  parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are:
  cylinders=1453521 heads=16 sectors/tracks=63 (1008 blks/cyl)
  
  Do you want to change our idea of what BIOS thinks ? [n]
  [..]
  
  This is where I stopped, admittedly, I do not know how to use FreeBSD's
  fdisk. For the sake of brevity and to move along, I'll break fdisk here and
  move back to sysinstall and provide what information I can this way.

Fair enough.  'what BIOS thinks' here is fine on modern disks/boxes, but 
the issue here is what a new(ish) user might conceive of as 'modern'!

  From sysinstalls menu, I choose 'Standard', next is the usual message about
  fdisk partitioning schemes. After this, I get a 'User Confirmation Request',
  which is very similar to the warning I received above. It says
  
  [..]
  WARNING: It is safe to use a geometry of 1453521/16/63 for ad4 on computers
  with modern BIOS versions. If this disk is to be uised on an old machine it
  is recommended that it does not have more then 65535 cylinders, more then
  255 heads, or more then 63 sectors per track.
  
  Would you like to keep using the current geometry?
  
  Yes No
  [..]
  
  This is where I have two choices
  
  Choice 1 (YES) produces the following in fdisk when choosing 'a' to use the
  whole disk.
  
  [..]
  OffsetSize(ST)EndNamePTypeDescSubtype
  Flags
  06362-12unused0
  6314651491051465149167ad4s18freebsd165
  [..]

Yes, you should go with this.  'modern BIOS versions' here refers to 
anything later than (roughly) the mid-90s!  An 'old machine' in this 
context - remembering sysinstall was originally written then - was one 
not using LBA (logical block addressing), when 8GB was a fairly big HD 
at least for IDE, when the 'big guys' were mostly using SCSI disks.

That message is actually a lot less scary than it was until a couple of 
years ago, when it used to cause much more angst and regular posts, see:

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/disks.c.diff?r1=1.160;r2=1.161;f=h

  Choice 2 (NO) produces the following in fdisk when choosing 'a' to use the
  whole disk.
  [..]
  If you are not sure about this, please consult the Hardware Guide in the
  Documentation submenu or use the {G}eometry command to change it. Remember:
  You need to eneter whatever your BIOS thinks the geometry is! For IDE, it's
  what you were told in the BIOS setup. For SCSI, It's the translation mode
  your controller is using. Do NOT use a ''physical geometry''.
  OK
  [..]
  
  [..]
  OffsetSize(ST)EndNamePTypeDescSubtype
  Flags
  06362-12unused0
  6314651440021465144064ad4s18freebsd165
  146514406551031465149167-12unused0
  [..]
  
  Decidedly, the end result is approximately 698GB for the usable partition,
  the second choice giving me a padding on both sides of the freebsd slice.

You don't say what alternative geometry you entered here, if any .. but 
really this whole thing needs to go away.  Maybe it needs some heuristic 
to see if it could _even possibly_ be an ancient HD needing alternative 
geometry?  In any case, anything after 2000 is definitely 'modern'. 

Copying this to Bruce Cran, who's been hacking on sysinstall lately.

  Moving on now, I choose the following
  
  Standard MBR
  
  Disklebel Editor
  
  [..]
  PartMountSizenewfs
  --
  ad4s1a/512MBUFS2   Y
  ad4s1bswap4096MBSWAP
  ad4s1d/var4973MBUFS2+S Y
  ad4s1e/tmp512MBUFS2+S Y
  ad4s1f/usr688GBUFS2+S Y
  [..]
  
  

Re: Where to post FreeBSD tutorials?

2010-12-30 Thread Charlie Kester

On Thu 30 Dec 2010 at 17:17:31 PST Xn Nooby wrote:

If I write a document about how to do something with FreeBSD, is there
a good place to post it, or a link to it?

Something like how to edit a video in FreeBSD, not official documentation.

I usually have to google things to find them, and often find the
answer on stackoverflow or howtoforge.  Sometimes it hard to find
things in google, and sometimes I'm not sure what I'm looking for.


There's a howto section of the forums that's intended for precisely this
kind of thing.

http://forums.freebsd.org/forumdisplay.php?f=39

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load windows

2010-12-30 Thread xinyou yan
Help:  I installed 8.2 today ,
I think  I have forgot  installed boot loader manager .
When I was finished  and reboot . The system just has bsd loader

I  can  use F2 load windows previous
Any one who know how to load linux also help  . (I have a  linux in system
the loader was installed on its /boot not mbr
)

So how can i do now!
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Re: load windows

2010-12-30 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:39:45 +0800, xinyou yan yxy@gmail.com wrote:
 Help:  I installed 8.2 today ,
 I think  I have forgot  installed boot loader manager .
 When I was finished  and reboot . The system just has bsd loader
 
 I  can  use F2 load windows previous
 Any one who know how to load linux also help  . (I have a  linux in system
 the loader was installed on its /boot not mbr
 )
 
 So how can i do now!

According to your description, you want to boot into one
out of three systems (FreeBSD, a Linux, a Windows). In
this case, you should be able to run the Linux distribution
you have from a live file system CD or DVD and restore its
boot manager, LILO or GRUB. This boot manager should then
deal with the OS selection for boot.

Of course, you can also restart the FreeBSD installation
and choose its boot manager to be installed. I think you
should be able to do this through the running FreeBSD
system, maybe using the sysinstall program. The FreeBSD
boot manager would then show the operating systems' names
in its choice list.

As I am not a multi-booter, I'm not fully sure if this
will work as intended. Usually I do just install FreeBSD's
loader as there is nothing else to load. :-)


-- 
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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Re: disyfiles

2010-12-30 Thread perryh
wayne mitchell wayne.mitchell...@gmail.com wrote:

 i would like to get a hold of all 'relevant' distilfes -
 the current size of the complete distfiles tree is 140GB
 i have cottoned onto the idea of having somebody copy the
 entire tree onto HDD and posting it over
 ...
 happy to pay a few bucks - though i am not pro - just for hobbies

Once you've figured out which are 'relevant':
http://on-disk.com/cms/index.php?wiki=CustomDisc

You probably don't want to have them do the whole 140GB :)
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Re: a new hard-drive in a 2y/o laptop

2010-12-30 Thread Chris Brennan
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote:

 Goodo.  I'll try chopping a bit too ..


Cleaning out my cruft, leaving only yours :D


  Assuming that's 'oseek=0', which is the default anyway.


yes, a typo in my e-mail only, I got the cmd right in the installer.


 Fair enough.  'what BIOS thinks' here is fine on modern disks/boxes, but
 the issue here is what a new(ish) user might conceive of as 'modern'!


I'm left to assume that I have a modern system w/ a modern hard-drive (duh
lol)


  Yes, you should go with this.  'modern BIOS versions' here refers to
 anything later than (roughly) the mid-90s!  An 'old machine' in this
 context - remembering sysinstall was originally written then - was one
 not using LBA (logical block addressing), when 8GB was a fairly big HD
 at least for IDE, when the 'big guys' were mostly using SCSI disks.

 That message is actually a lot less scary than it was until a couple of
 years ago, when it used to cause much more angst and regular posts, see:


 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/disks.c.diff?r1=1.160;r2=1.161;f=h


I think it's fair to say, this is still causing some angst. :( I will check
out your link when my brain is far less foggy then it is right now. I'm a
bit woozy you could say, nyquil works fast on an empty stomach!


 You don't say what alternative geometry you entered here, if any .. but
 really this whole thing needs to go away.  Maybe it needs some heuristic
 to see if it could _even possibly_ be an ancient HD needing alternative
 geometry?  In any case, anything after 2000 is definitely 'modern'.


Indeed, I didn't, because I wasn't given a choice by sysinstall, it made the
choice for me.


 Copying this to Bruce Cran, who's been hacking on sysinstall lately.


Left Bruce in the CC, hopefully he'll offer some useful advice. :D *crosses
fingers*


 Ok, I've been hunting for a commit message I noticed relatively recently
 and can't find just now, but I think it was to the effect that Bruce had
 fixed some breakage when choosing 'A' for auto-partitioning, which you
 indicated having chosen above.


It would appear that the layout changes with each new major revision of
FBSD, I have different defaults on the old Sony VAIO on the floor next to me
that is running 7.3/i386.


 Indeed you have, and sorry I missed recalling this issue till now.

 Bruce may have something to add, but if I'm not mistaken you may just
 need to NOT use 'A' with your 8.1 install media, but to enter values
 manually.  Alternatively, this may be a good time to grab an 8.2-BETA1
 disc1 or memstick image where this is likely fixed, but in any case, if
 I had a FreeBSD slice with even half of ~700GB I'd be very much more
 generous with / and /tmp, and /var if you'll be using eg big databases.

 HTH, Ian


No worries on missing it, I'm not sure that helped, I farted around with it
again earlier today with little more in the way of success. What I tried was
to just set up '/' and swamp and it still prompted me about not being able
to find /dev/ad4s1b. I will grab an 8.2B1 image tomorrow when I get up and
try that, see if it fairs better. Right now, I must sleep, this side of the
world is now just after 1am!

C-
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