Re: cups slow when printing from firefox

[Leslie Jensen]

> Hi all,
>
> I'm struggling with a speed issue when trying to print stuff from
> firefox (10.0.2,1). I've set up cups (meta package 1.5.2) on my box
> which uses a Lexmark E360dn printer via ethernet. The printer has a
> postscript emulation which is set as the default (as opposed to
> PCL). I've used a PPD file from openprinting.org which claims that the
> printer is 100% supported. Printing works fine in general with all
> sorts of text and images, including PDF and LibreOffice and
> whatnot. However, trying to print maps from maps.google.de sends one
> CPU to 100% for a couple of minutes. Printing the same map from a
> Debian box takes a couple of seconds. I can print the map to a file,
> and print that file with lpr which also takes just a few seconds.
>
> While printing from firefox directly, I noticed a process gsc owned by
> cups which causes most of the CPU load. I take this as an indication
> that the postscript output from firefox is incorrectly rasterized on
> my box, instead of sending the postscript data directly to the
> printer. I did not make any changes to the default config files except
> for adding the printer through the localhost:631 interface.
>
> Is there anything else that I need to configure, either on the firefox
> or the cups end, to make printing maps faster?
>
> regards
> Markus
>
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Hi Markus.

If you do a search in the archives you'll see that some of us have
printing problems with Firefox. Some even suspect that printing in Firefox
is broken.

I myself has not been able to solve my specific printing problems which
include both Firefox but also Libre office.

I'm running Win7 in Virtualbox in order to fix my printing :-(

Regards

/Leslie



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Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity

[Polytropon]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:29:42 +1000, Da Rock wrote:
> On 04/10/12 21:32, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > Mark Felder  wrote:
> >
> >> Python on Planes is the future, mn.
> > Shouldn't that be spelled "plains", as in the places where the
> > snake-containing grass grows?
> >
> >
> >
> > :-)
> >
> Ha! One would think so, but with ruby on rails one would think that 
> python on plains wouldn't sound anywhere near as exciting or appear too 
> quick. That and a shaded reference to a certain similarly titled movie 
> with Samuel L Jackson- corny! :D

Should we "modernize" programming languages by putting
them "on" something? Like "awk on a anchor", "C on a
chimney" or "Java on Jambalaya"? :-)



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Re: Kind OFF Topic. FreeBSD for Blocking URLS? Nanny?

[Joshua Isom]

On 4/9/2012 10:27 PM, Jorge Biquez wrote:


As always there are some "experts" that controls everything
and do not let you change anything because is their kingdom.


What do they control?  The network infrastructure?


One of the managers asked me for help to block some web sites were some
students in the other lab and people that helps there waste bandwithd
seeing videos, movies (youtube, cuevana, serieid, etc) and spend lot of
time on facebook also.


This is a network issue.  You can try to detect a client using too much 
bandwith for a period of time, and then throttle them.  Dropping tcp 
packets will force throttling.  Blocking websites is more effective at a 
firewall than a desktop.



with a few that are seeing movies and videos the rest of us can not work
at all. Thing is that "other manager" (you know how those things are
sometimes) do not want us to do that since his "guru" and expert is the
one that controls all the Network. So the best we could get until now is
that we can do "all we can" without touching the Cisco routers and until
now not administrative password for change anything on the PCs (that
could change one we prove that we can have the solution and show it to
the board of people that runs the place).


They're asking you to fix a network problem but refuse to give you 
control of the network.  Ask the administrators what happens if all the 
software you've installed is bypassed by someone bringing in a laptop, 
or you switch to WiFi and everyone's on a cell phone you done control. 
Deal with the problem at the network.



The Internet provider gives the DNS servers to use and one of the
routers gives the DHCP service.

First thing I thought was to change the DNS servers and use the one from
my small office (running Freebsd 7.3) using Bind there and simply block
there pointing the sites to nothing in the Apache configuration. It does
not work. Once changed the DNS values the PC does not resolve anything.
It was a quick test but that does not work. Not sure if Internet
provider is blocking in some way that we can not use other DNS server
but theirs.


Google is 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, easy enough to remember, and circumvent.


Other solution I was thinking while coming home was to convert one
machine there to a freebsd server and use it as a router (if they let
me) so that way I can control from there and do filtering. Issue is that
maybe they do not let me but connect the server as an extra machine
without replacing the main router so in that case I would have 2 DHCP
servers doing the same service in the same lan and could be conflicts I
guess.


That's affecting the network and causing a mess for no good reason.


Another solution a friend suggested was to buy one small router (from my
money for sure) and let that small router to receive the internet (RJ45)
and from that with the small 4 port switch included to provide the
internet to the switches to feed the labs , library and administrative
offices. I have never use one of those and I am short on money so I
would like to explore other alternatives before if possible.


Adding a router won't help for the real problem.


Finally another solution would be to install in each PC a kind of Nanny
software but only if free, otherwise is not a solution (I do not know of
any yet but will do searching the following hours).


And then you have to trust the software.  Some software will ban health 
information, such as breast cancer, but because of so many porn websites 
created so fast they can still allow porn.  In any case, it's just a 
firewall.



I know all can be solved if the "guru-expert" guy would let me have
passwords from PC's, router, etc but that won't be an option since they
think we would try to take the control of those services (we do not want
that) so the burocracy could be a problem there. He have told them that
to block is not possible (they have been working that way for years).


The block is possible, but it's a network issue, the other guy.  Either 
he does it, or you take over the network.  The more centralized and 
built into the network it is, the more effective it is.



So, in this kind of schema. Do you think FreeBSD (even linux) could be
of help if we do not have access to routers, switches and can not
install new software on the PCs( the ones running XP)?


No.  You lack the network control to control student's computer use.


Any comments you have that could help me to solve this challenge?

Thanks in advance for your time and comments.

Jorge Biquez

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Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity

[Da Rock]

On 04/10/12 21:32, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:

Mark Felder  wrote:


Python on Planes is the future, mn.

Shouldn't that be spelled "plains", as in the places where the
snake-containing grass grows?



:-)

Ha! One would think so, but with ruby on rails one would think that 
python on plains wouldn't sound anywhere near as exciting or appear too 
quick. That and a shaded reference to a certain similarly titled movie 
with Samuel L Jackson- corny! :D

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Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity

[perryh]

Mark Felder  wrote:

> Python on Planes is the future, mn.

Shouldn't that be spelled "plains", as in the places where the
snake-containing grass grows?



:-)
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Re: Kind OFF Topic. FreeBSD for Blocking URLS? Nanny?

[Da Rock]

On 04/10/12 13:46, Jorge Biquez wrote:

Hello.

Yes I know and we ill do our best to solve it... but if that does not 
work, then I still will try to solve it technically in some way if 
possible.


For the interim (and as a POC), setup squid and dans guardian and point 
the browsers to proxy using that machine. Prove your point and then 
explain that this can be done transparently if you had some control of 
the routers.


All that is necessary for transparent proxy is to reroute port 80 
traffic from the network to the squid server then.


HTH


Jorge Biquez

At 10:42 p.m. 09/04/2012, Robert Huff wrote:


Jorge Biquez writes:

>  Any comments you have that could help me to solve this challenge?

Yes.
You do not have a technical problem.
You have a management problem.
Fix that, and the technical issues will be (comparatively)
trivial.


Robert Huff


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Re: Kind OFF Topic. FreeBSD for Blocking URLS? Nanny?

[Jorge Biquez]

Hello.

Yes I know and we ill do our best to solve it... but if that does not 
work, then I still will try to solve it technically in some way if possible.


Jorge Biquez

At 10:42 p.m. 09/04/2012, Robert Huff wrote:


Jorge Biquez writes:

>  Any comments you have that could help me to solve this challenge?

Yes.
You do not have a technical problem.
You have a management problem.
Fix that, and the technical issues will be (comparatively)
trivial.


Robert Huff


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Kind OFF Topic. FreeBSD for Blocking URLS? Nanny?

[Robert Huff]

Jorge Biquez writes:

>  Any comments you have that could help me to solve this challenge?

Yes.
You do not have a technical problem.
You have a management problem.
Fix that, and the technical issues will be (comparatively)
trivial.


Robert Huff

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Re: Kind OFF Topic. FreeBSD for Blocking URLS? Nanny?

[Mark Felder]

I've been in this position before. Transparent proxy running Squid and  
Dansguardian will solve most of your problems. And having a local cache  
will help fix your low bandwidth issue. Your skill level and networking  
knowledge will determine how achievable this is, but it's a great solution  
when you have it in place.


Good luck!
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Kind OFF Topic. FreeBSD for Blocking URLS? Nanny?

[Jorge Biquez]

Hello all.

I am sorry if this is kind OFF Topic. I am looking for help from more 
experienced people in these areas. Please let me know if this 
question should be moved to FREEBSD-CHAT list.


As I have mentioned before I am helping a school , non profit with 
their IT issues. As always there are some "experts" that controls 
everything and do not let you change anything because is their 
kingdom. Anyway, there we have Internet service  from a cable company 
and they have some cisco routers to receive the access and from there 
some Cisco Switches.
In the classrooms we have very old PCs running XP. In some of my 
classes I am using Freebsd and Ubuntu running on a USB. So each 
student have one USB and they work that way booting from their 4GB 
USB stick. (it is slow but it has worked until now).


One of the managers asked me for help to block some web sites were 
some students in the other lab and people that helps there waste 
bandwithd seeing videos, movies (youtube, cuevana, serieid, etc) and 
spend lot of time on facebook also. Our bandwidth is only 4Mb and you 
understand that with a few that are seeing movies and videos the rest 
of us can not work at all. Thing is that "other manager" (you know 
how those things are sometimes) do not want us to do that since his 
"guru" and expert is the one that controls all the Network. So the 
best we could get until now is that we can do "all we can" without 
touching the Cisco routers and until now not administrative password 
for change anything on the PCs (that could change one we prove that 
we can have the solution and show it to the board of people that runs 
the place).


The Internet provider gives the DNS servers to use and one of the 
routers gives the DHCP service.


First thing I thought was to change the DNS servers and use the one 
from my small office (running Freebsd 7.3) using Bind there and 
simply block there pointing the sites to nothing in the Apache 
configuration. It does not work. Once changed the DNS values the PC 
does not resolve anything. It was a quick test but that does not 
work. Not sure if Internet provider is blocking in some way that we 
can not use other DNS server but theirs.


Other solution I was thinking while coming home was to convert one 
machine there to a freebsd server and use it as a router (if they let 
me) so that way I can control from there and do filtering. Issue is 
that maybe they do not let me but connect the server as an extra 
machine without replacing the main router so in that case I would 
have 2 DHCP servers doing the same service in the same lan and could 
be conflicts I guess.


Another solution a friend suggested was to buy one small router (from 
my money for sure) and let that small router to receive the internet 
(RJ45) and from that with the small 4 port switch included to provide 
the internet to the switches to feed the labs , library and 
administrative offices. I have never use one of those and I am short 
on money so I would like to explore other alternatives before if possible.


Finally another solution would be to install in each PC a kind of 
Nanny software but only if free, otherwise is not a solution (I do 
not know of any yet but will do searching the following hours).


I know all can be solved if the "guru-expert" guy would let me have 
passwords from PC's, router, etc but that won't be an option since 
they think we would try to take the control of those services (we do 
not want that) so the burocracy could be a problem there. He have 
told them that to block is not possible (they have been working that 
way for years).


So, in this kind of schema. Do you think FreeBSD (even linux) could 
be of help if we do not have access to routers, switches and can not 
install new software on the PCs( the ones running XP)?


Any comments you have that could help me to solve this challenge?

Thanks in advance for your time and comments.

Jorge Biquez

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Difficulties accessing optical drive from guest OS in VBox

[Scott Ballantyne]

Hi,

Not sure if this should be here orin freebsd-emulation, but thought it
worth a try:

Freebsd 9.0-RELEASE (GENERIC)
VBoxMange --version:  4.1.10_OSEr76795
Installed from Ports.
Window 7 as guest.


I can't access the host optical drive from the guest OS. I was able to
install it by dd'ing the install DVD to the harddrive, and VBox used
that beautifully.

It all works quite well, but whenever I try to use the actual optical
drive, I get a 'permissions error':

"Unable to mount the CD/DVD Host Drive HL-DT-STDVDRAM GH24LS50 DVDRAM
GH24LS50 (cd0) on the machjine Windows_7_64bit. Would you like to
force mounting of this medium?"

"Could not mount the media/drive '/dev/cd0'"

And the Details:

"Interface: 
IConsole {1968b7d3-e3bf-4ceb-99e0-cb7c913317bb}
Callee: 
IMachine {5eaa9319-62fc-4b0a-843c-0cb1940f8a91}"

Incidentally, inspite of the message, there is no "force mount" option
given, only 'cancel'  and  'force unmount'.

I've followed the handbook and Wiki for the DVD/CD access, I'm in the
operator group, atapicam is loaded, hald is enabled and running and
the permissions for cd0, xpt0 and pass0 are all 0660.

I've also tried adding CD0 in the graphical interface before I start
the VM. Bizarrely, this caused VBox to try to boot from the DVD (even
though that is unchecked in the boot options).

The only other thing I've tried is to disable the automounting of
media with Gnome, in case that was interfering. No luck.

So, anyone have any ideas?  They would be most appreciated.

Thanks for your time,
Scott
-- 
s...@ssr.com

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Re: zpool creation on geli failed with FreeBSD-9.0

[Da Rock]

On 04/10/12 02:07, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote:

I was trying to install FreeBSD 9.0 using a geli encrypted disk and
ZFS on my ThinkPad R500 this weekend. I failed.

Having sucessfully initialized the geli part and having attached the
provider, my attempt to create a zpool on the geli section thus

$>  zpool create ntank /dev/ada0p2.eli

failed with the message

Cannot create 'ntank': invalid argument for this pool operation.

I could not convince the system to create the zpool on the geli part, so
I gave up and created the zpool on the unencrypted partition instead to
have a working machine for the week. I would, however, like to have my
data on an encrypted partition though. Has anyone witnessed and resolved
this issue or does anyone have other ideas?


Someone using ZFS will be able to verify this, but from my understanding 
ZFS runs on the hardware and you can *possibly* put geli on top of ZFS.


You can put geom on ZFS but not the other way around.

HTH
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Re: fsck problem FreeBSD 8.3

[Da Rock]

On 04/10/12 05:02, Коньков Евгений wrote:

Yes, I have tested.
and on this hardware on this OS it works from  Fri Feb 24 17:07:48 UTC 2012
but last two days:
reboot   ~ Mon Apr  9 19:50
reboot   ~ Mon Apr  9 18:30
reboot   ~ Sun Apr  8 20:55
reboot   ~ Sun Apr  8 20:00
reboot   ~ Sun Apr  8 19:49
reboot   ~ Sun Apr  8 17:43
reboot   ~ Sun Apr  8 10:58
reboot   ~ Sat Apr  7 21:13
reboot   ~ Sat Apr  7 16:37
reboot   ~ Sat Apr  7 16:07

I remembered. One thing changed.
I add vlans to igb2, but no traffic flow on that devices yet.


Perhaps you should test removing the vlans and see if things improve?


Before this I have use: igb0, igb1, igb3
igb0@pci0:1:0:0:class=0x02 card=0x00018086 chip=0x15218086 rev=0x01 
hdr=0x00
 vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
 class  = network
 subclass   = ethernet
igb1@pci0:1:0:1:class=0x02 card=0x00018086 chip=0x15218086 rev=0x01 
hdr=0x00
 vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
 class  = network
 subclass   = ethernet
igb2@pci0:1:0:2:class=0x02 card=0x00018086 chip=0x15218086 rev=0x01 
hdr=0x00
 vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
 class  = network
 subclass   = ethernet
igb3@pci0:1:0:3:class=0x02 card=0x00018086 chip=0x15218086 rev=0x01 
hdr=0x00
 vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
 class  = network
 subclass   = ethernet

ifconfig_vlan100="inet  192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 100 vlandev 
igb2" #nALL
ifconfig_vlan101="inet  192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 101 vlandev 
igb2" #n2 p24
ifconfig_vlan102="inet  192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 102 vlandev 
igb2" #n1 p23
ifconfig_vlan103="inet  192.168.3.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 103 vlandev 
igb2" #n3 p22
ifconfig_vlan104="inet  192.168.4.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 104 vlandev 
igb2" #n7,9 p21
ifconfig_vlan105="inet  192.168.5.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 105 vlandev 
igb2" #n11 p20
ifconfig_vlan106="inet  192.168.6.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 106 vlandev 
igb2" #n13 p19
ifconfig_vlan107="inet  192.168.7.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 107 vlandev 
igb2" #n223 p18
ifconfig_vlan108="inet  192.168.8.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 108 vlandev 
igb2" #n225 p17
ifconfig_vlan109="inet  192.168.9.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 109 vlandev 
igb2" #n221 p16
ifconfig_vlan110="inet 192.168.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 110 vlandev 
igb2" #n229 p15
ifconfig_vlan111="inet 192.168.11.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 111 vlandev 
igb2" #n233 p14
ifconfig_vlan112="inet 192.168.12.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 112 vlandev 
igb2" #n231 p13
ifconfig_vlan113="inet 192.168.13.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 113 vlandev 
igb2" #n237 p12
ifconfig_vlan114="inet 192.168.14.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 114 vlandev 
igb2" #n424 p11
ifconfig_vlan115="inet 192.168.15.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 115 vlandev 
igb2" #



PAP>  Nothing logged in /var/log/* or crashes that exist in /var/crash
PAP>  would indicate to me some sort of hardware related problem.
PAP>  Have you tested your hardware lately and know that it is in operational 
order?

PAP>  ~Paul

PAP>  On Mon, Apr 09, 2012 at 09:36:54PM +0300, ??? ??? wrote:

Hi.

Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY, CANNOT RUN FAST 
FSCK
Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck:
Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck:
Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY.
Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: CANNOT SET FS_NEEDSFSCK FLAG
Apr  9 20:09:22 kernel:

running manually:
# fsck -y /dev/ad8s1e
** /dev/ad8s1e (NO WRITE)
** Last Mounted on /tmp
** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes
** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames
** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity
** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts
** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups
99 files, 10 used, 506477 free (45 frags, 63304 blocks, 0.0% fragmentation)


Server reboot two or three time per day
# uname -a
FreeBSD flux 8.3-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 8.3-PRERELEASE #3 r231881: Fri Feb 24 
17:07:48 UTC 2012 adm@flux:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v8  amd64

before this it works about month without problems

/var/crash - empty, in /var/log/messages there is no any messages before crash.
Can any help to fix problem?





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Re: fsck problem FreeBSD 8.3

[Eugene Grosbein]

10.04.2012 01:36, Коньков Евгений пишет:
> Hi.
> 
> Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY, CANNOT RUN FAST 
> FSCK
> Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck:
> Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck:
> Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck 
> MANUALLY.
> Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: CANNOT SET FS_NEEDSFSCK FLAG
> Apr  9 20:09:22 kernel:
> 
> running manually:
> # fsck -y /dev/ad8s1e
> ** /dev/ad8s1e (NO WRITE)

You cannot run fsck on mounted filesystem, unmount it first.
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Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity

[Polytropon]

Allow me a few additions:

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:58:43 -0500 (CDT), Robert Bonomi wrote:
>   2) Make sure *every* '' tag has a "meaningful" "alt=' field.  (if it
>  is just a filler/spacer image, _still_ put an  'alt=" "' field on it.
>  This explicitly declares that the image has 'no content')

And also note the longdesc= parameter to img. It should be
used to give a meaningful (!) description of an image's
content.



>   6) Try resizing the browser panel -- wide (side-to-side) and short (top-
>  to-bottom), and narrow (side-to-side) and tall (top-to-bottom).
>  Does it work _acceptably_ in a 640x480 window?  (why not?  There are 
>  users out there with VGA-only displays.)

Also note that following this "auto-resize" approach enables
a web page to be used in all its beauty on mobile devices,
such as tablets and smartphones. If done right, no separate
version is needed there.



>  *IDEALLY* the content should expand to fill whatever width there is
>  available (I have a display 1920 pixels wide, the current webpage
>  =refuses= to use more than about 1/2 of it.

Excellent idea for improving. Many web pages could learn from
that simple idea. The habit of being "optimized for 1024x768"
is very annoying, especially if you _have_ a large display
where you arrange non-fullscreen windows on. Pages that fail
to accomodate to the window's size are very annoying. In fact,
they are the majority.



>  Get this right, and you show you understand that HTML is -not-
>  a 'page layout' language, That one is merely providing 'hints'
>  for the browser to 'do with as it sees fit'.  Web layout *is*
>  a very different discipline from layout for the printed page.

Many web developers seem to be unable to see HTML as a markup
language that defines structure (indead of layout). If you
want to have pixel-precise 1:1 reproduction, use PDF.

With HTML5 (but also applies to HTML4), it's easy to use the
HTML tags to define what text _is_ instead of what it should
look like. A usable approach is to use CSS for styling, and
HTML for content-oriented structural description. That way,
from the HTML content one can determine what's a heading,
what's a paragraph, what's an address - instead of thinking
in terms like "this is in bold text" or "this is underlined
text with 18px in 'Comic Sans'". The idea of "semantic browsing"
can be utilized.



> Once you have -that- 100% functional with no errors, -then-, and *only*
> *then* is is appropriate to add *optional* (for the user) 'enhancements' 
> in addition to the basic functionality.

I think there _is_ potential to improve the FreeBSD website,
in layout, content and structure. But it should be done
carefully so it doesn't break anytime soon (such as "modern"
web pages do when a new version of some arbitrary extension
is out or when the underlying implementation language breaks
things due to updates).



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Re[2]: fsck problem FreeBSD 8.3

[Коньков Евгений]

Yes, I have tested.
and on this hardware on this OS it works from  Fri Feb 24 17:07:48 UTC 2012
but last two days:
reboot   ~ Mon Apr  9 19:50
reboot   ~ Mon Apr  9 18:30
reboot   ~ Sun Apr  8 20:55
reboot   ~ Sun Apr  8 20:00
reboot   ~ Sun Apr  8 19:49
reboot   ~ Sun Apr  8 17:43
reboot   ~ Sun Apr  8 10:58
reboot   ~ Sat Apr  7 21:13
reboot   ~ Sat Apr  7 16:37
reboot   ~ Sat Apr  7 16:07

I remembered. One thing changed.
I add vlans to igb2, but no traffic flow on that devices yet.

Before this I have use: igb0, igb1, igb3
igb0@pci0:1:0:0:class=0x02 card=0x00018086 chip=0x15218086 rev=0x01 
hdr=0x00
vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
class  = network
subclass   = ethernet
igb1@pci0:1:0:1:class=0x02 card=0x00018086 chip=0x15218086 rev=0x01 
hdr=0x00
vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
class  = network
subclass   = ethernet
igb2@pci0:1:0:2:class=0x02 card=0x00018086 chip=0x15218086 rev=0x01 
hdr=0x00
vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
class  = network
subclass   = ethernet
igb3@pci0:1:0:3:class=0x02 card=0x00018086 chip=0x15218086 rev=0x01 
hdr=0x00
vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
class  = network
subclass   = ethernet

ifconfig_vlan100="inet  192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 100 vlandev 
igb2" #nALL
ifconfig_vlan101="inet  192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 101 vlandev 
igb2" #n2 p24
ifconfig_vlan102="inet  192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 102 vlandev 
igb2" #n1 p23
ifconfig_vlan103="inet  192.168.3.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 103 vlandev 
igb2" #n3 p22
ifconfig_vlan104="inet  192.168.4.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 104 vlandev 
igb2" #n7,9 p21
ifconfig_vlan105="inet  192.168.5.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 105 vlandev 
igb2" #n11 p20
ifconfig_vlan106="inet  192.168.6.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 106 vlandev 
igb2" #n13 p19
ifconfig_vlan107="inet  192.168.7.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 107 vlandev 
igb2" #n223 p18
ifconfig_vlan108="inet  192.168.8.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 108 vlandev 
igb2" #n225 p17
ifconfig_vlan109="inet  192.168.9.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 109 vlandev 
igb2" #n221 p16
ifconfig_vlan110="inet 192.168.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 110 vlandev 
igb2" #n229 p15
ifconfig_vlan111="inet 192.168.11.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 111 vlandev 
igb2" #n233 p14
ifconfig_vlan112="inet 192.168.12.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 112 vlandev 
igb2" #n231 p13
ifconfig_vlan113="inet 192.168.13.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 113 vlandev 
igb2" #n237 p12
ifconfig_vlan114="inet 192.168.14.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 114 vlandev 
igb2" #n424 p11
ifconfig_vlan115="inet 192.168.15.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 115 vlandev 
igb2" #



PAP> Nothing logged in /var/log/* or crashes that exist in /var/crash
PAP> would indicate to me some sort of hardware related problem.
PAP> Have you tested your hardware lately and know that it is in operational 
order?

PAP> ~Paul

PAP> On Mon, Apr 09, 2012 at 09:36:54PM +0300, ??? ??? wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY, CANNOT RUN FAST 
>> FSCK
>> Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck:
>> Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck:
>> Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck 
>> MANUALLY.
>> Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: CANNOT SET FS_NEEDSFSCK FLAG
>> Apr  9 20:09:22 kernel:
>>
>> running manually:
>> # fsck -y /dev/ad8s1e
>> ** /dev/ad8s1e (NO WRITE)
>> ** Last Mounted on /tmp
>> ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes
>> ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames
>> ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity
>> ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts
>> ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups
>> 99 files, 10 used, 506477 free (45 frags, 63304 blocks, 0.0% fragmentation)
>>
>>
>> Server reboot two or three time per day
>> # uname -a
>> FreeBSD flux 8.3-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 8.3-PRERELEASE #3 r231881: Fri Feb 24 
>> 17:07:48 UTC 2012 adm@flux:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v8  amd64
>>
>> before this it works about month without problems
>>
>> /var/crash - empty, in /var/log/messages there is no any messages before 
>> crash.
>> Can any help to fix problem?



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Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity

[Robert Bonomi]

Tony  wrote:
>
> Hi all!
>
> Thanks everyone for all the feedback - it has been most helpful!
>
> Just to clarify, Siegel+Gale and the UK Design Council are just the places
> where I work. I should have taken them out of my signature to avoid
> confusion, my bad.
>
> I will start work on a major
> Rails-basedredesign for
> FreeBSD. I really liked Mikkel's suggestion of going back to the
> old 
> designand
> take it from there, so that's what I will be doing. It might take a
> couple of months though.
>

Whatever you do, make sure:
  1) everything works _without_  javascript or relying on color distinctions
 or 'background images' -- a fair number of people force 'use my colors' 
 rather than letting the server choose.  (browsing multiple web-sites is
 a *lot* less painful on the eyes, when they _all_ display in color 
 combinations *I* find pleasing. *GRIN* )

  2) Make sure *every* '' tag has a "meaningful" "alt=' field.  (if it
 is just a filler/spacer image, _still_ put an  'alt=" "' field on it.
 This explicitly declares that the image has 'no content')

  3) Make sure everything passes the validator at http://validator.w3.org 
 with -zero- complaints.

  4) Make sure everything 'works' in 'lynx', the text-only browser.
 see /

  5) Make sure everything is usable in Firefox, with ALL SCRIPTING DISABLED,
 *and* then go to 'Tools->Options', the 'Content' tab, change the font 
 size to say, 64 pt; Also click the 'colors' button and *UN-CHECK* the 
 'allow pages to chose their own colors' box, click 'ok' twice to dismiss
 the two pop-up windows, and make sure everything displays OK.

  6) Try resizing the browser panel -- wide (side-to-side) and short (top-
 to-bottom), and narrow (side-to-side) and tall (top-to-bottom).
 Does it work _acceptably_ in a 640x480 window?  (why not?  There are 
 users out there with VGA-only displays.)

 *IDEALLY* there should be no need for horizontal scrolling unless the
 window is -very- narrow (circa 15% of screen width or less).

 *IDEALLY* the content should expand to fill whatever width there is
 available (I have a display 1920 pixels wide, the current webpage
 =refuses= to use more than about 1/2 of it.

 Get this right, and you show you understand that HTML is -not-
 a 'page layout' language, That one is merely providing 'hints'
 for the browser to 'do with as it sees fit'.  Web layout *is*
 a very different discipline from layout for the printed page.



Once you have -that- 100% functional with no errors, -then-, and *only*
*then* is is appropriate to add *optional* (for the user) 'enhancements' 
in addition to the basic functionality.


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Re: fsck problem FreeBSD 8.3

[Paul A. Procacci]

Nothing logged in /var/log/* or crashes that exist in /var/crash would indicate 
to me some sort of hardware related problem.
Have you tested your hardware lately and know that it is in operational order?

~Paul

On Mon, Apr 09, 2012 at 09:36:54PM +0300, ??? ??? wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY, CANNOT RUN FAST 
> FSCK
> Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck:
> Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck:
> Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck 
> MANUALLY.
> Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: CANNOT SET FS_NEEDSFSCK FLAG
> Apr  9 20:09:22 kernel:
>
> running manually:
> # fsck -y /dev/ad8s1e
> ** /dev/ad8s1e (NO WRITE)
> ** Last Mounted on /tmp
> ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes
> ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames
> ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity
> ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts
> ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups
> 99 files, 10 used, 506477 free (45 frags, 63304 blocks, 0.0% fragmentation)
>
>
> Server reboot two or three time per day
> # uname -a
> FreeBSD flux 8.3-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 8.3-PRERELEASE #3 r231881: Fri Feb 24 
> 17:07:48 UTC 2012 adm@flux:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v8  amd64
>
> before this it works about month without problems
>
> /var/crash - empty, in /var/log/messages there is no any messages before 
> crash.
> Can any help to fix problem?
>
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fsck problem FreeBSD 8.3

[Коньков Евгений]

Hi.

Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY, CANNOT RUN FAST 
FSCK
Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck:
Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck:
Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY.
Apr  9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: CANNOT SET FS_NEEDSFSCK FLAG
Apr  9 20:09:22 kernel:

running manually:
# fsck -y /dev/ad8s1e
** /dev/ad8s1e (NO WRITE)
** Last Mounted on /tmp
** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes
** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames
** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity
** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts
** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups
99 files, 10 used, 506477 free (45 frags, 63304 blocks, 0.0% fragmentation)


Server reboot two or three time per day
# uname -a
FreeBSD flux 8.3-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 8.3-PRERELEASE #3 r231881: Fri Feb 24 
17:07:48 UTC 2012 adm@flux:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v8  amd64

before this it works about month without problems

/var/crash - empty, in /var/log/messages there is no any messages before crash.
Can any help to fix problem?

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Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity

[Lars Eighner]

On Sun, 8 Apr 2012, Tony wrote:


Satanic 3D-lookalike logo



Satanic logo complaints: Hallmark of retarded trolls


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Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity

[Mark Felder]

On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:55:07 -0500, Tony  wrote:


I will start work on a major Rails-based redesign


I'm praying this is a troll. Ruby as a language is so broken, and anyone  
who has tried to host a Ruby project knows my pain. The only thing you  
could have said that would set off my troll senses even more is if you  
suggested PHP on Trax which I think is an attempt at satire.


Python on Planes is the future, mn.


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cups slow when printing from firefox

[markus . hoenicka]

Hi all,

I'm struggling with a speed issue when trying to print stuff from
firefox (10.0.2,1). I've set up cups (meta package 1.5.2) on my box
which uses a Lexmark E360dn printer via ethernet. The printer has a
postscript emulation which is set as the default (as opposed to
PCL). I've used a PPD file from openprinting.org which claims that the
printer is 100% supported. Printing works fine in general with all
sorts of text and images, including PDF and LibreOffice and
whatnot. However, trying to print maps from maps.google.de sends one
CPU to 100% for a couple of minutes. Printing the same map from a
Debian box takes a couple of seconds. I can print the map to a file,
and print that file with lpr which also takes just a few seconds.

While printing from firefox directly, I noticed a process gsc owned by
cups which causes most of the CPU load. I take this as an indication
that the postscript output from firefox is incorrectly rasterized on
my box, instead of sending the postscript data directly to the
printer. I did not make any changes to the default config files except
for adding the printer through the localhost:631 interface.

Is there anything else that I need to configure, either on the firefox
or the cups end, to make printing maps faster?

regards
Markus

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Re: keyboard latency from time to time

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Monday, July 25, 2011 a las 05:10:47PM +0200, Matthias Apitz escribió:

> 
> Hello,
> 
> I run a 9-CURRENT from end of October on an Acer D250 laptop; which in
> general runs very fine; from time to time (say once a month) I encounter
> the following situation within KDE3 or X11:
> 
> from a moment to another (can't say what action triggers this) the
> keyboard stops working; there are just no keyevents delivered on short
> press to any window; I've checked it with xev(1); mouse is working fine and I 
> can
> close the windows or the whole session of KDE, of course loosing my
> connections or the content of files I'm editing in that moment;
> 
> the keyevent is only delivered when you press the key for around half
> second, or so, and after this also the normal key re-iteration is
> produced; its even hard to catch only one keyevent and not twice or more;
> this is true for all keys, including Ctrl and Backspace, ...
> 
> after restarting X11 and KDE it is fine again;

Hello,

Months later, in some other issue, I learned about the feature of KDE
"slow keys" and what I have described is exactly the same behaviour and
I can now even reproduce this with just pressing and holding down the
Shift-key for around 8 secs; when it happens one must go to the KDE
Control Center and activate 'slow keys' (yes, they are not shown as
activated in this moment) and deactivate 'slow keys' again, and all is
fine.

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Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity

[Tony]

Hi all!

Thanks everyone for all the feedback - it has been most helpful!

Just to clarify, Siegel+Gale and the UK Design Council are just the places
where I work. I should have taken them out of my signature to avoid
confusion, my bad.

I will start work on a major
Rails-basedredesign for
FreeBSD. I really liked Mikkel's suggestion of going back to the
old 
designand
take it from there, so that's what I will be doing. It might take a
couple of months though.

Tony
http://siegelgale.com/ 
http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Jerry McAllister  wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 02:40:12PM +0200, Tony wrote:
>
> > Hello!
> >
> > As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate
> > identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have
> a
> > design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of
> any
> > unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to
> > the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can
> look
> > at over and over without getting annoyed.
> >
>
> Whereas there are a few small things I could see improved in the
> FreeBSD website, generally, it is functional and does what it is
> supposed to do; provide information about FreeBSD for people looking
> for information.   It is not there to be wallpaper for someones desktop.
>
> > The current design is an uneven mix of various styles, and seems more
> > forced than well thought out. First you have the shiny Satanic
> 3D-lookalike
> > logo (yes, despite what y'all say, it's still Satanic) that might look
> cool
> > the first few times one looks at it. Now though it's more like "what the
> > hell *is* that thing anyway"? (ref: Tres
> > Logos<
> http://www.amazon.com/Tres-Logos-Robert-Klanten/dp/3899552679/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332777820&sr=8-1
> >
>
> Don't see anything useful there.
> As far as the sextoy logo, can't say that I like it, but Where is
> anything better?
>
> > )
> >
> > Then you have a surrounding layout trying to cater to that logo, but
> fails
> > miserably as it was made by programmers as opposed to people with an
> actual
> > education in design . There is no
> natural
> > flow  and the whole thing
> just
> > comes off as corny 
> -
> > and this makes us all look bad. I also hear
> > PostgreSQLis planning to sue FreeBSD for
> > stealing its design.
>
> The FreeBSD site heirarchy of information leading to further information
> is a bit ragged in places, but show us something better.  The Royal Academy
> front page is not too bad of a website home page, but isn't really
> appropriate to FreeBSD.
>
> FreeBSD is a serious working project, not some bling bling sales site.
>
> >
> > I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on
> > Helvetica.
> > No devil logo, no bells and whistles, just straight forward "FreeBSD" -
> the
> > world's best operating system. So simple that hardly anything it will go
> > out of fashion and need to be replaced, so simple that it'll remain as
> > current now as it will be a hundred years from now.
>
> There was nothing there.   The site didn't work.
>
> >
> > "Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when
> > there's nothing left to take away."
>
> I looked at the URLs that you include and saw nothing that made
> any sense relative to FreeBSD.
>
> The socalled 'design council' page made one of the cardinal errors
> in web page design by making it a fixed width beyond the browser
> window's size.   It subverts browser reflow.   I hate that.  It
> abuses the whole sysem and makes it hard for people so hav a desktop
> layout the way they want/need.   eg, it trashes the page.
>
> So, come up with some actually good design before you next barf
> all over the list.   Then, maybe someone will incorporate some
> of the worthwhile ideas.
>
> jerry
>
> >
> > Tony
> > http://siegelgale.com/ 
> > http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/
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zpool creation on geli failed with FreeBSD-9.0

[Christopher J. Ruwe]

I was trying to install FreeBSD 9.0 using a geli encrypted disk and
ZFS on my ThinkPad R500 this weekend. I failed. 

Having sucessfully initialized the geli part and having attached the
provider, my attempt to create a zpool on the geli section thus

$> zpool create ntank /dev/ada0p2.eli 

failed with the message 

Cannot create 'ntank': invalid argument for this pool operation.

I could not convince the system to create the zpool on the geli part, so
I gave up and created the zpool on the unencrypted partition instead to
have a working machine for the week. I would, however, like to have my
data on an encrypted partition though. Has anyone witnessed and resolved
this issue or does anyone have other ideas?

Thanks for your help, cheers,
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Re: 9.0 - Mount to root.. Sorted..

[Odhiambo Washington]

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 18:51, Airosoβicz fb.  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As Warren Block mentioned:
>
> If there are no ada devices in /dev at all, I'd guess too much has been
>> removed from the custom kernel.
>>
>
> So I've checked my custom kernel config (based on GENERIC) & indeed made
> some changes to the [S]ATA disk section after which I rebuilt & installed
> the kernel again.. The difference now with previous was that I *was* able
> to boot in single-user mode, mount, label my disk with tunefs, update my
> /etc/fstab accordingly & managed to install the world as a final step to my
> upgrade..
>
> Problem solved, many thanx for all the assistance..
>
> Regards,
> E.
>


Good to know, but next time you shouldn't go overboard with customizing the
kernel configuration file:-)


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9.0 - Mount to root.. Sorted..

[Airosoβicz fb .]

Hi all,

As Warren Block mentioned:

If there are no ada devices in /dev at all, I'd guess too much has been
> removed from the custom kernel.
>

So I've checked my custom kernel config (based on GENERIC) & indeed made
some changes to the [S]ATA disk section after which I rebuilt & installed
the kernel again.. The difference now with previous was that I *was* able
to boot in single-user mode, mount, label my disk with tunefs, update my
/etc/fstab accordingly & managed to install the world as a final step to my
upgrade..

Problem solved, many thanx for all the assistance..

Regards,
E.
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Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity

[Jerry McAllister]

On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 02:40:12PM +0200, Tony wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate
> identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a
> design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of any
> unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to
> the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look
> at over and over without getting annoyed.
> 

Whereas there are a few small things I could see improved in the
FreeBSD website, generally, it is functional and does what it is
supposed to do; provide information about FreeBSD for people looking
for information.   It is not there to be wallpaper for someones desktop.

> The current design is an uneven mix of various styles, and seems more
> forced than well thought out. First you have the shiny Satanic 3D-lookalike
> logo (yes, despite what y'all say, it's still Satanic) that might look cool
> the first few times one looks at it. Now though it's more like "what the
> hell *is* that thing anyway"? (ref: Tres
> Logos

Don't see anything useful there.   
As far as the sextoy logo, can't say that I like it, but Where is
anything better?

> )
> 
> Then you have a surrounding layout trying to cater to that logo, but fails
> miserably as it was made by programmers as opposed to people with an actual
> education in design . There is no natural
> flow  and the whole thing just
> comes off as corny  -
> and this makes us all look bad. I also hear
> PostgreSQLis planning to sue FreeBSD for
> stealing its design.

The FreeBSD site heirarchy of information leading to further information 
is a bit ragged in places, but show us something better.  The Royal Academy 
front page is not too bad of a website home page, but isn't really 
appropriate to FreeBSD.

FreeBSD is a serious working project, not some bling bling sales site.

> 
> I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on
> Helvetica.
> No devil logo, no bells and whistles, just straight forward "FreeBSD" - the
> world's best operating system. So simple that hardly anything it will go
> out of fashion and need to be replaced, so simple that it'll remain as
> current now as it will be a hundred years from now.

There was nothing there.   The site didn't work.

> 
> "Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when
> there's nothing left to take away."

I looked at the URLs that you include and saw nothing that made
any sense relative to FreeBSD.

The socalled 'design council' page made one of the cardinal errors
in web page design by making it a fixed width beyond the browser
window's size.   It subverts browser reflow.   I hate that.  It
abuses the whole sysem and makes it hard for people so hav a desktop
layout the way they want/need.   eg, it trashes the page.

So, come up with some actually good design before you next barf
all over the list.   Then, maybe someone will incorporate some
of the worthwhile ideas.

jerry

> 
> Tony
> http://siegelgale.com/ 
> http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/
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Re: problem with Xorg

[Da Rock]

On 04/10/12 00:36, Warren Block wrote:

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Da Rock wrote:


On 04/09/12 21:38, Bernt Hansson wrote:

4. What does Xorg -configure produce?


No idea, haven't tried it. Using HAL.


Given your previous answers, I'd say you _have_ to run it. Then the 
last option I offered _will_ work. You need to force it to use vesa 
and that is the only way.


Xorg autoconfigures itself.  If HAL is used, it is only used for input 
devices, mouse and keyboard.


Intel 845G should work with the x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel driver.


Should, but not always. At least vesa will get it going for the moment 
until a permanent solution arrives.

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Re: problem with Xorg

[Warren Block]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Da Rock wrote:


On 04/09/12 21:38, Bernt Hansson wrote:

4. What does Xorg -configure produce?


No idea, haven't tried it. Using HAL.


Given your previous answers, I'd say you _have_ to run it. Then the last 
option I offered _will_ work. You need to force it to use vesa and that is 
the only way.


Xorg autoconfigures itself.  If HAL is used, it is only used for input 
devices, mouse and keyboard.


Intel 845G should work with the x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel driver.
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Re: Token Ring (really- and why)

[Da Rock]

On 04/09/12 23:42, Jay West wrote:

It was written
---

  Might it not be both more historically accurate, and a great deal
easier, to just use the version of FreeBSD that corresponds to  the
historical era being re-created?

And skip feature, performance, and security improvements made since?
---

Not in this case on the former, and the latter - agreed.

The real historical part and focus of the exhibit isn't the FreeBSD machine.
It's a dual bay HP2000 Timeshare BASIC machine. It has been restored to
pristine cosmetic and electrical running condition (2000/Access) and that's
the focus of the exhibit.

One neat feature of the HP2000, even though it was a dedicated basic
interpreter environment, it had the ability to submit jobs to HASP/MVS. MVS
could run the code and direct output back to files on the HP2000, output to
devices on that system, etc. It's a really neat add-on feature of the
display/project to include and demonstrate that functionality. Given that a
full blown VM/360 system isn't in the picture, we've used Hercules. One
issue is cobbling together some hardware glue to deal with the interface
between the HP and the "IBM", basically emulating a sync modem and 2780
device on the Hercules side. That is mostly within my skillset. The other
issue is that there needs to also be some terminal interaction on the "IBM"
side, so we have a 3174 establishment controller with some 3179 terms and a
3290 gas plasma 4-session display. The 3174 attaches to the host (Hercules)
via token ring. I had this all working perfectly with FreeBSD 7x, but when
upgrading FreeBSD we lost token ring support. I could stay on an older
version of FreeBSD, but then I am stuck with pretty old versions of Hercules
(there are problems with newer versions of Hercules compiling under older
versions of FreeBSD, some needed features are lacking in older versions of
Hercules, etc.). So now you have the gory details as to "why". Yes, there
are a few other possible ways to "skin this cat", but I have researched them
all and found various issues both subjective and objective with going those
alternate routes, hence my desire for native TR support.

So back to the topic at hand. I pulled the oltr code from 7x svn and dropped
it onto an 8x machine I had available for testing, added the requisites to
sys/conf/files.i386, and make buildkernel attempts to fly. It appears the
main reason that oltr was dropped at release 8 was that it had
IFF_NEEDSGIANT which has been deprecated for MP Safe. Additionally, some of
the functions in cpufunc.h (outbv and inbv) are no longer present in the
exact same form. Outbv and inbv I can probably easily adjust, but I'm out of
my league in the "ins&  outs" of removing the need for giant locks. I
figured it wouldn't be as simple as just moving the code :) I'll beat my
head against it as time permits, thanks for any input.
I've been following this thread with a kind of bizarre fascination (or 
more accurately perhaps it should be the fascination of the bizarre?). 
Perhaps you should put those questions to the hackers@ list? Or even net@?


Where is this exhibit? Is there somewhere I can follow your progress 
with this interesting diorama? I'd be fascinated to see this in operation :)

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RE: Token Ring (really- and why)

[Jay West]

It was written
---
>  Might it not be both more historically accurate, and a great deal  
> easier, to just use the version of FreeBSD that corresponds to  the 
> historical era being re-created?

And skip feature, performance, and security improvements made since?
---

Not in this case on the former, and the latter - agreed.

The real historical part and focus of the exhibit isn't the FreeBSD machine.
It's a dual bay HP2000 Timeshare BASIC machine. It has been restored to
pristine cosmetic and electrical running condition (2000/Access) and that's
the focus of the exhibit.

One neat feature of the HP2000, even though it was a dedicated basic
interpreter environment, it had the ability to submit jobs to HASP/MVS. MVS
could run the code and direct output back to files on the HP2000, output to
devices on that system, etc. It's a really neat add-on feature of the
display/project to include and demonstrate that functionality. Given that a
full blown VM/360 system isn't in the picture, we've used Hercules. One
issue is cobbling together some hardware glue to deal with the interface
between the HP and the "IBM", basically emulating a sync modem and 2780
device on the Hercules side. That is mostly within my skillset. The other
issue is that there needs to also be some terminal interaction on the "IBM"
side, so we have a 3174 establishment controller with some 3179 terms and a
3290 gas plasma 4-session display. The 3174 attaches to the host (Hercules)
via token ring. I had this all working perfectly with FreeBSD 7x, but when
upgrading FreeBSD we lost token ring support. I could stay on an older
version of FreeBSD, but then I am stuck with pretty old versions of Hercules
(there are problems with newer versions of Hercules compiling under older
versions of FreeBSD, some needed features are lacking in older versions of
Hercules, etc.). So now you have the gory details as to "why". Yes, there
are a few other possible ways to "skin this cat", but I have researched them
all and found various issues both subjective and objective with going those
alternate routes, hence my desire for native TR support.

So back to the topic at hand. I pulled the oltr code from 7x svn and dropped
it onto an 8x machine I had available for testing, added the requisites to
sys/conf/files.i386, and make buildkernel attempts to fly. It appears the
main reason that oltr was dropped at release 8 was that it had
IFF_NEEDSGIANT which has been deprecated for MP Safe. Additionally, some of
the functions in cpufunc.h (outbv and inbv) are no longer present in the
exact same form. Outbv and inbv I can probably easily adjust, but I'm out of
my league in the "ins & outs" of removing the need for giant locks. I
figured it wouldn't be as simple as just moving the code :) I'll beat my
head against it as time permits, thanks for any input.

Best,

J



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Re: problem with Xorg

[Da Rock]

On 04/09/12 21:38, Bernt Hansson wrote:

2012-04-09 13:03, Da Rock skrev:

On 04/09/12 20:38, Bernt Hansson wrote:

Hello list.

When I try to start X I'm getting this error


Yep. This one will be fun... :)


X.Org X Server 1.7.7
Release Date: 2010-05-04
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386
Current Operating System: FreeBSD kw.fqdn 8.2-RELEASE FreeBSD
8.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Feb 18 02:24:46 UTC 2011
r...@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386
Build Date: 09 April 2012  02:21:53AM

Current version of pixman: 0.24.2
 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
 to make sure that you have the latest version.
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
 (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
 (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Apr  9 12:30:37 2012
(==) Using default built-in configuration (30 lines)
(EE) LoadModule: Module fbdevhw does not have a fbdevhwModuleData data
object.
(EE) Failed to load module "fbdevhw" (invalid module, 0)
Setting master
The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:

Warning:  Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but  has 2

symbols

   Ignoring extra symbols

Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
xinit: connection to X server lost

waiting for X server to shut down Dropping master


First some questions:

1. Does the machine lock up when you run X?


No It doesn't but no picture.


2. Do you know what video card you're using?


Intel 845


3. What is the output of pciconf -lv, dmesg?


pciconf -lv
hostb0@pci0:0:0:0:  class=0x06 card=0x chip=0x25608086 
rev=0x01 hdr=0x00

vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
device = 'DRAM Controller / Host-Hub I/F Bridge 
(82845G/GL/GV/GE/PE)'

class  = bridge
subclass   = HOST-PCI
vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x03 card=0x00b90e11 chip=0x25628086 
rev=0x01 hdr=0x00

vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
device = '82845G/GL/GV/GE/PE Integrated Graphics Device'
class  = display
subclass   = VGA
uhci0@pci0:0:29:0:  class=0x0c0300 card=0x00b90e11 chip=0x24c28086 
rev=0x01 hdr=0x00

vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI 
Controller *1'

class  = serial bus
subclass   = USB
uhci1@pci0:0:29:1:  class=0x0c0300 card=0x00b90e11 chip=0x24c48086 
rev=0x01 hdr=0x00

vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI 
Controller *2'

class  = serial bus
subclass   = USB
ehci0@pci0:0:29:7:  class=0x0c0320 card=0x00b90e11 chip=0x24cd8086 
rev=0x01 hdr=0x00

vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB 2.0 EHCI 
Controller'

class  = serial bus
subclass   = USB
pcib1@pci0:0:30:0:  class=0x060400 card=0x chip=0x244e8086 
rev=0x81 hdr=0x01

vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
device = '82801 Family (ICH2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9,63xxESB) Hub 
Interface to PCI Bridge'

class  = bridge
subclass   = PCI-PCI
isab0@pci0:0:31:0:  class=0x060100 card=0x chip=0x24c08086 
rev=0x01 hdr=0x00

vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
device = '82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) LPC Interface Bridge'
class  = bridge
subclass   = PCI-ISA
atapci0@pci0:0:31:1:class=0x01018a card=0x00b90e11 chip=0x24cb8086 
rev=0x01 hdr=0x00

vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
device = '82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) UltraATA/100 EIDE Controller'
class  = mass storage
subclass   = ATA
pcm0@pci0:0:31:5:   class=0x040100 card=0x00ad0e11 chip=0x24c58086 
rev=0x01 hdr=0x00

vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
device = 'Realtek AC97 Audio (82801DBM SoundMAXController 
(ICH4-M B0 step))'

class  = multimedia
subclass   = audio
fxp0@pci0:5:8:0:class=0x02 card=0x00120e11 chip=0x103b8086 
rev=0x81 hdr=0x00

vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
device = '82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) PRO/100 VM Network 
Connection'

class  = network
subclass   = ethernet


4. What does Xorg -configure produce?


No idea, haven't tried it. Using HAL.


Given your previous answers, I'd say you _have_ to run it. Then the last 
option I offered _will_ work. You need to force it to use vesa and that 
is the only way.


As a last chance perhaps run X -conf /root/xorg.conf.new -retro and see 
if it does happen to work; this shows up the old test pattern so that 
you can see that X is actually running instead of a black screen.



Finally, can you change the driver setting in the xorg.conf.new to vesa
and run X -conf /root/xorg.conf.new and see if it works then?


Well, starting X from remote it seems to catch on.

HmmmOnly as root. Well I'll try to rebuild it without SUID.

This is from remote AND root

X

Re: Token Ring (really)

[Robert Huff]

per...@pluto.rain.com writes:

>  Might it not be both more historically accurate, and a great deal
>  easier, to just use the version of FreeBSD that corresponds to
>  the historical era being re-created?

And skip feature, performance, and security improvements made
since?



Robert Huff

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Re: problem with Xorg

[Da Rock]

On 04/09/12 20:38, Bernt Hansson wrote:

Hello list.

When I try to start X I'm getting this error


Yep. This one will be fun... :)


X.Org X Server 1.7.7
Release Date: 2010-05-04
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386
Current Operating System: FreeBSD kw.fqdn 8.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 
8.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Feb 18 02:24:46 UTC 2011 
r...@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386

Build Date: 09 April 2012  02:21:53AM

Current version of pixman: 0.24.2
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Apr  9 12:30:37 2012
(==) Using default built-in configuration (30 lines)
(EE) LoadModule: Module fbdevhw does not have a fbdevhwModuleData data 
object.

(EE) Failed to load module "fbdevhw" (invalid module, 0)
Setting master
The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
> Warning:  Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but  has 2 
symbols

>   Ignoring extra symbols
Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
xinit: connection to X server lost

waiting for X server to shut down Dropping master


First some questions:

1. Does the machine lock up when you run X?

2. Do you know what video card you're using?

3. What is the output of pciconf -lv, dmesg?

4. What does Xorg -configure produce?

Finally, can you change the driver setting in the xorg.conf.new to vesa 
and run X -conf /root/xorg.conf.new and see if it works then?


Good luck!
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Re: problem with Xorg

[Xavier]

On Mon, Apr 09, 2012 at 12:38:45PM +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote:

Hi Bernt,

> Hello list.
>
> When I try to start X I'm getting this error
>
> X.Org X Server 1.7.7
> Release Date: 2010-05-04
> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
> Build Operating System: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386
> Current Operating System: FreeBSD kw.fqdn 8.2-RELEASE FreeBSD
> 8.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Feb 18 02:24:46 UTC 2011
> r...@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386
> Build Date: 09 April 2012  02:21:53AM
>
> Current version of pixman: 0.24.2
>  Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
>  to make sure that you have the latest version.
> Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
>  (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
>  (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
> (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Apr  9 12:30:37 2012

Please, can you paste ^^^ thsi file to ie. pastebin.com and
share the URL ? For better help.

Thanks, see you.
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Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity

[Fabian Keil]

Polytropon  wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:40:12 +0200, Tony wrote:

> > As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate
> > identity.
> 
> What's wrong with it? It's very accessible (especially for
> blind users) and it presents the availabe information in a
> structured way. Sure, it does not use many of today's "modern"
> extensions to get simple things done, as it uses _simple_ things
> to get them done (e. g. a href= for a link istead of "Flash"),
> but that's not a problem in my opinion. The pages load fast,
> they display well in all four major browsers (Firefox, Chrome,
> Safari, Opera), and it even renders properly in browsers with
> limited abilities (lynx, links, w3m, dillo).

Actually the site does not "display well" in all
four major browsers in general:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=91539

It might work with your browser configuration but it
fails with others.

And while it might (or might not) be accessible for blind users,
visually impaired users run into problems if they increase
the browser's default font size.

Fabian


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Re: how often to update ports?

[Volodymyr Kostyrko]

Aleksandr Miroslav wrote:

How often do you folks update your ports/packages. I was manging two
servers for years for my personal web/email, and I've rarely gone for
more than 3 months with any single package being not up to date,
usually about once a month I would update all my ports.


Recently, in the past few months or so, I've added several more
servers, I currently have around 10 servers that I'm managing, and
because of changes in my work schedule, it has become somewhat quite
tedious to do this (keep ports updated as frequently, I mean).


From what I've gleaned from this list and other BSD mailing lists that

I'm on, is that some people don't update their port-installed packages
nearly as frequently (security patches/updates aside). Some people go
for months/years without doing so.

So I'm curious, how often do you keep your ports update, and what are
the reasons for doing so?


I update my desktops daily. The process is streamlined and doesn't need 
an eye on it. I'm updating servers weekly or so.


This means I have smaller blob of updates and almost never face large 
updates that broke everything.


--
Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow.
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Re: Token Ring (really)

[perryh]

"Jay West"  wrote:

> this is for a historical re-creation project ...
>
> I guess I'll have to see how tough it would be to yank
> the TR code from 7x and get it running under 9x.

Might it not be both more historically accurate, and a great deal
easier, to just use the version of FreeBSD that corresponds to the
historical era being re-created?
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Re: FreeBSD losing market share?

[Da Rock]

On 04/09/12 16:01, Polytropon wrote:

Tony, I'm always fascinated how people consider market share the
purpose of everyone and everything. FreeBSD is not a profit-oriented
company (it's not even a company in this regards), and you can
hardly _measure_ its market share. Hell, you can't even measure
its _usage share_! Unlike corporations with a certain income model
where unit sales can be counted, you cannot count them for FreeBSD
as anyone can download and install as many copies of it as he
likes. Due to the licensing model, derived works that are turned
into a closed-source project can even be attributed to a different
company (e. g. a FreeBSD-derived OS that is installed into an
embedded system acting as a firewall will sales_units++; for that
company, not for FreeBSD). You have _no_, I repeat>>>NO<<<  means
to determine how many FreeBSD systems are currently up and running.
That would be usage share. Market share is a measuring model that
you can't even apply to FreeBSD in my opinion.



On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:22:47 +0200, Tony wrote:

Imagine how FreeBSD's market share and popularity would skyrocket once
regular people gets access to it.

FreeBSD has no "market share", if you apply the term correctly,
as it is not part of "the market".
And regular people already can access it. They can use it freely as much 
as they like and get free help to boot (though I hope they reciprocate 
in kind in some way). Unlike certain OS you have to actually pay for to 
use and pay to get help, such as a certain popular OS which supposedly 
has 90% market share and gives all a headache... ;)


Community is a so much nicer term for this phenomena.




Low-cost hosting definitely is the way of
the future.

I'm not sure it is. Even by the means of "cloud computing" prices
are still rising (due to energy costs increasing), and only efficiency
is a way to chance this trend. Sadly, requirements to not follow this
approach, which makes things becoming more expensive in the future.
"Unlimited data" is also a thing that, in my opinion, will disappear
in the future. Lean and fast applications will have a renaissance.




Just look at how well low-cost
airlinesare
doing.

Are _currently_ doing, but they will sooner or later be out of fuel.
Fuel is becoming more expensive as the available amount is limited.
If you consider such things "on the long run", you will surely have
to admit that a short-time strategy ("being cheap right now") does
not pay.






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