Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-23 Thread Edward M

On 06/23/2012 05:16 PM, John Levine wrote:

Sorry, I misread my notes, 8.2 uses v 15, 8.3 uses v 28.

R's,
John


 yeah, I remember version 15 was really stable. Opensolaris 2009.06
last binary  production ready, used version 14; i  also found it to 
be stable
   Any opensource zfs pool verisons beyound that, i am not really sure 
about their stablity compared

  to UFS rock solid filesystem.



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Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-23 Thread John Levine
>> snafu on my part freebsd 8.3 also uses zfs pool version 28:-)
>
>No, 8.3 uses version 15.  It's been quite stable for me.

Sorry, I misread my notes, 8.2 uses v 15, 8.3 uses v 28.

R's,
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Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-23 Thread John Levine
> snafu on my part freebsd 8.3 also uses zfs pool version 28:-)

No, 8.3 uses version 15.  It's been quite stable for me.

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Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-23 Thread Edward M

On 06/23/2012 04:19 PM, Edward M wrote:

On 06/21/2012 12:33 AM, Hooman Fazaeli wrote:

Now, I want to the same thing on 8.3 and wanted to know
your opinion on ZFS stability. Is there any success story using
ZFS in 24x7, large volume, heavy duty servers? Is there any
other option other than ZFS to build larger than 2TB file systems?



   I like the ZFS theroy, However I would have to question  ZFS Pool 
Version Number 28 stability,
   that is what freebsd 9.0 comes with. because it was never really 
used/marked as production ready by sun/oracle.
   in my opionion version 28 is consider as a development version. 
solaris 11 uses version 33 so that is consider
   as production ready but it is closed source. i think the last open 
zfs version pool marked as production ready,was pool

   version 14 and 15
   zfs sounds great however i would actally trust more UFS2 for 24x7 
servers.


  agian this is my opinion, could be wrong:-)



snafu on my part freebsd 8.3 also uses zfs pool version 28:-)
so my opinion would also be the same.
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Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-23 Thread Edward M

On 06/21/2012 12:33 AM, Hooman Fazaeli wrote:

Now, I want to the same thing on 8.3 and wanted to know
your opinion on ZFS stability. Is there any success story using
ZFS in 24x7, large volume, heavy duty servers? Is there any
other option other than ZFS to build larger than 2TB file systems?



   I like the ZFS theroy, However I would have to question  ZFS Pool 
Version Number 28 stability,
   that is what freebsd 9.0 comes with. because it was never really 
used/marked as production ready by sun/oracle.
   in my opionion version 28 is consider as a development version. 
solaris 11 uses version 33 so that is consider
   as production ready but it is closed source. i think the last open 
zfs version pool marked as production ready,was pool

   version 14 and 15
   zfs sounds great however i would actally trust more UFS2 for 24x7 
servers.


  agian this is my opinion, could be wrong:-)


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Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-23 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Sat Jun 23 02:48:26 2012
> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 12:17:13 +0430
> From: Hooman Fazaeli 
> To: Wojciech Puchar 
> Cc: FreeBSD Questions 
> Subject: Re: Is ZFS production ready?
>
>
> I meant, is it now possible to have >2TB FS with UFS?

Of course not.  UFS uses 32-bit numbers for block addresses.  IMPOSSIBLE
to reference more than 2^41 bytes.

However, "UFS2" re-implemented the same disk structures using 64-bit numbers.
Thus, it can reference 2^73 bytes in the same 'logical' method.

Wojciech simply never lets inconvenient facts get in the way of his opinions
about how everyone else should do everything.


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Occassional "permission denied" in the middle of a large transfer over NFS

2012-06-23 Thread Vincent Hoffman
I seem to have run into the problems described in this old thread.
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-April/044927.html
tl:dr mountd may give incorrect permission denied errors when it is
refreshing the exports list,  /sbin/mount has code that sends SIGHUP to
mountd on any mount operation. Which implies that any manual mount
request, including NFS mounts would cause the problem.

Does anyone know if this is still the case with the new NFS server?

thanks,
Vince
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Re: Sendmail and Postfix

2012-06-23 Thread Alejandro Imass
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Robert Bonomi  wrote:
>> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Fri Jun 22 13:47:20 2012
>> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:41:46 -0500
>> From: Mark Felder 
>> Subject: Re: Sendmail and Postfix
>>
>> When you installed Postfix did you allow it to update the entries in
>> /etc/mail/mailer.conf ? If so, I wouldn't worry about the mailq binary
>> that came with the system; it's ignored.
>
> For SendMail, mailq is just a symlink to the SendMail executable.
>
> the "mail.conf" stuff (to use a polite word) installs it's own executable(s)
> under all the 'common' names that SendMail is invoked as.  These
> executables look at /etc/mailer.conf, and invoke the appropiate executable
> for the mailer that you have seleccted in mailer.conf.
>

mailer.conf is usually modified my the Postfix port and I am not sure
but I think the option is checked by default.

The lines to add to rc.conf to de-activate Sendmail and usu Postfix on
the base system are:

sendmail_enable="NO"
sendmail_submit_enable="NO"
sendmail_outbound_enable="NO"
sendmail_msp_queue_enable="NO"
postfix_enable="YES"

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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar


Actually, a Wake-On-LAN feature is not at all necessary for me in this
case.  It's a simple enough task to just trigger a backup manually at the
command line via a script that automates the process.
still. a separate wol tool is available in ports. You may easily construct 
shell script that will execute it, wait a bit, check out if server booted 
with ping, then wait a bit more (so inetd or rsyncd started) then run 
rsync.


Unix philosophy means have one program to do think well, not to do 
everything. This is what make me an exclusive unix "fanatics".


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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 11:17:36AM +0200, herbert langhans wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 11:10:06AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > >lftp does work incremental. Take a look at Chad's posting again and read
> > >what he needs. And of course, ftp via ssh is nothing new ...
> 
> > still - any ftp client will no go faster than ftp protocol allows.
> 
> That's sure. But I think it's an option for the laptops what Chad
> mentioned. Such scripts for backup are set up in minutes and it happily
> copies the files to the server. If there are already user accounts on
> the server, it could be really easy. I think it depends on the scale of
> the network.

It does appear to meet my needs, at first glance, with any capabilities
it does not already have that I might need easily scripted.  I'm having a
difficult time finding any reference to licensing, though.  Matt Dillon's
explanation of cpdup suggests it is probably some kind of BSD-licensed,
given its inclusion in DragonFly BSD base utilities, but that's not
*necessarily* the case.

Reference:

http://apollo.backplane.com/FreeSrc/

I'm going to try emailing Dillon for clarification, too.

In any case, I'll take a closer look at cpdup.  Thanks for bringing it to
my attention.

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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 09:46:02AM -0400, Jorge Luis Gonzalez wrote:
> Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > 
> > what exactly deficiences and requirements not met by rsync are you talking 
> > about?
> 
> Perhaps "deficiencies" was too strong a word.  I think the OP required--or
> perhaps desired--a WOL function.  I'm not aware of any such capability in 
> rsync
> proper.  I meant, too, that dirvish, which was the alternative that I
> recommended, presents an elegant and easily-comprehended way to manage rsync's
> considerable abilities, not that it provides features that can't be managed
> directly by rsync.  

Actually, a Wake-On-LAN feature is not at all necessary for me in this
case.  It's a simple enough task to just trigger a backup manually at the
command line via a script that automates the process.

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Re: changing md5 hashed for sha

2012-06-23 Thread Devin Teske

On Jun 23, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote:

> For setting the dafault hash used to hash /etc/master.passwd, it has
> been recommended changing md5 for something more secure in the sense of
> being more expensive to crack.
> 
> The handbook describes the procedure used in
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/crypt.html.
> Allegedly, hashes which were hashed with one of the sha-functions begin
> with the character $6$.
> 

Unfortunately, it appears that login.conf is ignored by pw w/respect to 
group(5) passwords.

Example Given:

Setting passwd_format=blf in login.conf(5) followed by executing:

echo newpass | sudo pw usermod SOMEUSER -h 0
sudo grep '^SOMEUSER:' /etc/master.passwd

# shows Blowfish hash starting with $2a$, meanwhile…

echo newpass | sudo pw groupmod SOMEGROUP -h 0
grep '^SOMEGROUP:' /etc/group

# shows login.conf(5) was ignored and an old-style crypt password (2-letter 
salt; 8-character max password)

:(

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Re: changing md5 hashed for sha

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar

been recommended changing md5 for something more secure in the
sense of being more expensive to crack.


is md5 that easy to crack?


It has been discussed recently, cf
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-security/2012-June/006271.html
or virtually the first half of
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-security/2012-June/thread.html


wasn't aware md5 is really risky. thanks.
anyway - as long as someone don't actually get /etc/master.passwd it 
doesn't matter, it could be even plaintext here.


If someone can get /etc/master.passwd then he/she most probably already 
got root priviledge :)

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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Thanks for pointing out that there are Windows ports of rsync, and that you
provide examples of their use.  I'm not sure I would entrust my system backups
to them if they come with the disclaimer that you've "no idea how stable and
usable they are."


http://justinsomnia.org/2007/02/how-to-regularly-backup-windows-xp-to-ubuntu-using-rsync/

might be useful for you, after you ignore all this linux style sudo 
nonsense.



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Re: changing md5 hashed for sha

2012-06-23 Thread Christopher J. Ruwe
On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:40:51 +0200 (CEST)
Wojciech Puchar  wrote:

> > For setting the dafault hash used to hash /etc/master.passwd, it has
> > been recommended changing md5 for something more secure in the
> > sense of being more expensive to crack.
> 
> is md5 that easy to crack?

It has been discussed recently, cf
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-security/2012-June/006271.html
or virtually the first half of
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-security/2012-June/thread.html

Cheers,
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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar

you mean "wake on lan"? there is "wol" tool in ports.

proper.  I meant, too, that dirvish, which was the alternative that I
recommended, presents an elegant and easily-comprehended way to manage rsync's
considerable abilities, not that it provides features that can't be managed
directly by rsync.


fine but i really want to "manage features" directly by specifying a 
commands.


thanks for answer, but i really don't recommend anyone using "all in one" 
tools as it's always to have problems with "one" than with "all".



there are many. I know people using it ... after they know how useful it
is based on my examples. No idea how stable and usable they are.


Thanks for pointing out that there are Windows ports of rsync, and that you
provide examples of their use.  I'm not sure I would entrust my system backups
to them if they come with the disclaimer that you've "no idea how stable and
usable they are."

google "rsync for windows".

It is not a danger if you run this "no really sure" tools from windoze and 
you see whether it finished work properly or not.


syncback works fine and is used by me. but it is not high performance, it 
can use only FTP or windows share destination.


for backing up "my documents" it is fine anyway.
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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Jorge Luis Gonzalez
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> what exactly deficiences and requirements not met by rsync are you talking 
> about?
> 

Perhaps "deficiencies" was too strong a word.  I think the OP required--or
perhaps desired--a WOL function.  I'm not aware of any such capability in rsync
proper.  I meant, too, that dirvish, which was the alternative that I
recommended, presents an elegant and easily-comprehended way to manage rsync's
considerable abilities, not that it provides features that can't be managed
directly by rsync.  

> >By "heterogeneous networks" I'm afraid I mean ones composed of machines 
> >running
> >unix-like OSs; I've no idea if there's an rsync port to Windows.

> there are many. I know people using it ... after they know how useful it 
> is based on my examples. No idea how stable and usable they are.

Thanks for pointing out that there are Windows ports of rsync, and that you
provide examples of their use.  I'm not sure I would entrust my system backups
to them if they come with the disclaimer that you've "no idea how stable and
usable they are."

Jorge

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Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar

windoze, under linux) is enough.


If the ROI does not exceed the expenditure to meet a specification that
only applies to a niche segment of the potential market, then it is in
all probability not going to happen.

Right. Fine.
There is not written on them "conforms to USB Mass Storage standard" ;)
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Re: changing md5 hashed for sha

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar

For setting the dafault hash used to hash /etc/master.passwd, it has
been recommended changing md5 for something more secure in the sense of
being more expensive to crack.


is md5 that easy to crack?
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changing md5 hashed for sha

2012-06-23 Thread Christopher J. Ruwe
For setting the dafault hash used to hash /etc/master.passwd, it has
been recommended changing md5 for something more secure in the sense of
being more expensive to crack.

The handbook describes the procedure used in
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/crypt.html.
Allegedly, hashes which were hashed with one of the sha-functions begin
with the character $6$.

Afer having changed my /etc/login.conf accordingly and having reset the
passwords, the given there is not md5 anymore (I have tried with md5),
but does not begin with the character $6$, but, as md5, with $1$, which
is supposed to be md5-hashed.

I fear I am a bit dense here, what am I getting wrong?

Thanks and cheers,
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Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do

2012-06-23 Thread Jerry
On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:00:29 +0200 (CEST)
Wojciech Puchar articulated:

> >> ports.
> >>
> > Same as in my case.
> >
> > USB is more a lottery than real computing for me.
> but this is not USB standard fault, but USB device manufacturers that 
> cannot really read standard specifications. "It works" (under
> windoze, under linux) is enough.

If the ROI does not exceed the expenditure to meet a specification that
only applies to a niche segment of the potential market, then it is in
all probability not going to happen. Furthermore, I have seen no
documented proof that the problem actually exists with the device and
not with the FreeBSD implementation of the specification nor with its
supplied drivers. FreeBSD has not exactly been a leader in the
implementation of USB. Apparently, it doesn't fully support all
variants of USB  although that might have
recently changed.

In any case, as a wise man once stated, it is better to light a
candle than curse the darkness.

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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar


PXE booting gives a lot of possibilities.  I use it to boot Clonezilla to 
back up Windows systems.  That is better than dd, since only used disk blocks


ntfsclone is what you need. for sure simpler.

For FreeBSD and other open operating systems, sysutils/rsnapshot is a


what is exactly rsnapshot "added value" to rsync, and what is exactly this 
fuss about hardlinks?


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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
what exactly deficiences and requirements not met by rsync are you talking 
about?



simplifications of rsync's ability to exclude files or directories, elegant
handling of backups' expirations) are sufficient to make it a worthy
alternative to naked rsync.  The frontend is written in Perl and easily
extended.

By "heterogeneous networks" I'm afraid I mean ones composed of machines running
unix-like OSs; I've no idea if there's an rsync port to Windows.
there are many. I know people using it ... after they know how useful it 
is based on my examples. No idea how stable and usable they are.

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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Jorge Luis Gonzalez
Wojciech Puchar:
> >
> >Hmm, I'm not sure that there is _anything_ that meets _all_ your criteria!
> 
> rsync meets. It can be a little harder with windoze, with any unix-like OS 
> it will work.
> 

rsync, or some front-end to rsync, is indeed probably the best option, though
it lacks several of the features that the OP indicates would be desirable.

For several years I've used dirvish to good effect.  It's built on rsync and
handles unattended backups over heterogeneous networks quite well.  It shares
some of rsync's deficiencies, but for me, its merits (well-structured
simplifications of rsync's ability to exclude files or directories, elegant
handling of backups' expirations) are sufficient to make it a worthy
alternative to naked rsync.  The frontend is written in Perl and easily
extended.

By "heterogeneous networks" I'm afraid I mean ones composed of machines running
unix-like OSs; I've no idea if there's an rsync port to Windows.

Jorge

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Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar

daily basis, Luckily, very few of them involve FreeBSD, which is why I
do not exhibit such a negative attitude, except of course when I do
attempt to plug one in a FreeBSD machine with negative results. I do
not know what is more pathetic; the fact that so many devices fail to
operate correctly -- if at all --, or the willingness of the FreeBSD
community to accept it as the norm.


usb_quirks.c is already quite large as you may see...
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Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar

ports.


Same as in my case.

USB is more a lottery than real computing for me.
but this is not USB standard fault, but USB device manufacturers that 
cannot really read standard specifications. "It works" (under windoze, 
under linux) is enough.

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Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do

2012-06-23 Thread Waitman Gobble
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 1:08 AM, Thomas Mueller wrote:

> > My elder colleague often told me that it is the easiest and well-working
> way
> > to check whether the one is certified to work for Mac OS X to get USB
> mass
> > storage devices which work with *BSD :)
>
> > Just my 5 yen,
>
> -|-__   YAMAMOTO, Taku
>  | __ < 
>
> What if a USB mass storage device works with some BSDs but not all?
>
> I had Kingston Data Travelers, 2 GB, from one lot that were good with
> Linux and FreeBSD but not NetBSD.
>
> Other USB sticks, including Kingston Data Tavelers, worked with Linux,
> FreeBSD and NetBSD.
>
> I even installed FreeDOS 1.1 prerelease on one of those NetBSD-averse
> Kingstom Data Travelers.
>
> But I think either Mac OS X, Linux or FreeBSD is much more
> production-ready than NetBSD.
>
> > There are 3 drivers, one for 3.0, 2.0 and 1.0, and they are associated to
> > corresponding devices  at boot. I'll play around with it this weekend and
> > see how to switch, i've also noticed issue connecting 2.0 device to 3.0
> > port.
>
> > Waitman Gobble
> > San Jose California USA
>
> I don't think I ever tried to connect a USB 2.0 device to 3.0 port, but I
> tried the opposite.
>
> My Western Digital My Book Essential 3.0 TB USB 3.0 drive works even on
> the old computer whose motherboard's USB is 1.1.
>
> I tried to access that USB 3.0 hard drive on the new computer from USB 2.0
> port because NetBSD has no USB 3.0 support: no go.
>
> But when I installed USB 2.0 brackets to USB 2.0 headers on the
> motherboard, the USB 3.0 hard drive was accessible from those USB 2.0 ports.
>
> Tom
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One possible 'caveat'.. I've noticed occasionally it will take 75 seconds
or so for a USB 3.0 drive to 'connect'.. at first I thought the drive was
not being 'recognized'. Someone has posted here that they believe it could
be b/c a USB 3.0 uses 2x the power of 2.0 (i've not confirmed that) and it
could be due to some kind of power management on the computer.. I've not
yet taken the time to sort that out.

anyhow this issue initially led me to believe there was some problem with
the driver, but it seems likely not the case.

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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Warren Block

On Sat, 23 Jun 2012, Eduardo Morras wrote:


At 02:37 23/06/2012, Chad Perrin wrote:

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 08:47:40PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:09:03AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > I'm setting up a "new" backup server using FreeBSD.  It will be used 
for

> > backing up laptops, which will not be connected to the network by any
> > kind of schedule, so backups will be initiated manually rather than by
> > cron or other scheduled procedures.
>
> What are the laptops running?

FreeBSD, Debian, and/or Ubuntu.  There's at least one of each.  I
apologize for not mentioning that sooner.  I had a feeling I'd overlook
something.


If it must work with all OS and you have no restrictions on network you can:

a) activate PXE/WOL on bios

b) start the laptop via PXE using a freebsd/linux/whatever_os_you_want_to_use

c) use dd piped to rsync to make the backups

This way you don't need to install anything on your freebsd ubuntu debian.


PXE booting gives a lot of possibilities.  I use it to boot Clonezilla 
to back up Windows systems.  That is better than dd, since only used 
disk blocks are copied.  But neither does incremental backups.


For FreeBSD and other open operating systems, sysutils/rsnapshot is a 
possibility.  Normally run from cron, could be run manually, or 
automatically when the backup server is detected.  It does incremental 
copies, is space-efficient (rsync with hard links), and only depends on 
rsync and Perl.

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Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do

2012-06-23 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi,

On Saturday 23 June 2012 18:18:58 Jerry wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:50:05 +0700
> 
> Erich Dollansky articulated:
> > USB is more a lottery than real computing for me.
> 
> That is really sad. I am sort of forced to use USB devices on a
> daily basis, Luckily, very few of them involve FreeBSD, which is why I
> do not exhibit such a negative attitude, except of course when I do
> attempt to plug one in a FreeBSD machine with negative results. I do
> not know what is more pathetic; the fact that so many devices fail to
> operate correctly -- if at all --, or the willingness of the FreeBSD
> community to accept it as the norm.

I see it a bit different. There are standards. I hope that FreeBSD follows 
them as close as possible. There are also some grey areas in every standard.

The grey areas can only be filled with manpower.

This is the point where FreeBSD hits a wall.

Erich
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Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do

2012-06-23 Thread Jerry
On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:50:05 +0700
Erich Dollansky articulated:

> USB is more a lottery than real computing for me.

That is really sad. I am sort of forced to use USB devices on a
daily basis, Luckily, very few of them involve FreeBSD, which is why I
do not exhibit such a negative attitude, except of course when I do
attempt to plug one in a FreeBSD machine with negative results. I do
not know what is more pathetic; the fact that so many devices fail to
operate correctly -- if at all --, or the willingness of the FreeBSD
community to accept it as the norm.

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Re: fsck_ufs running too often

2012-06-23 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 12:57:01 +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> > My suggestion: Set background_fsck="YES" in /etc/rc.conf and let
> > the system boot up that way. _If_ you have a faulty disk or other
> > data corruption, you'll notice this _before_ going multi-user and
> > maybe making things worse. Yes, it might take some time, but it's
> > time well invested in your data integrity.
> > 
> > Alternative: Perform a "shutdown now" and go into single-user mode.
> > Then unmount all your file systems, do "mount -o ro /" and then
> > perform the fsck run on all file systems. It's typically adviced
> > to perform file system checks on unmounted (or at least read-only
> > mounted) file systems.
> 
> man fsck:
> -
>  Note that background fsck is limited to checking for only the
>  most commonly occurring file system abnormalities.  Under certain
>  circumstances, some errors can escape background fsck.  It is
>  recommended that you perform foreground fsck on your systems
>  periodically and whenever you encounter file-system-related pan-
>  ics.
> ---
>   
> So do a manual fsck to make sure there's no residual faults lurking.

Sorry, my own stupidity. Of course I wanted to say:
My suggestion: Set background_fsck="NO" in /etc/rc.conf and [...]
^^
A fsck at boot time might take longer, but will make sure that
the startup of the system is performed on clean file systems.
One may argue: "But it takes time!" My response: Is your data
valuable? Then you have this time, in worst case. In ultra-worst
case, you have backups. :-)



> Realise fsck wont start if it thinks its clean, (but might not be clean) so
> Boot single user & type 
>   fsck
>   or fsck -y

You can force a fsck run by using "fsck -f"; from the manual:
"Force checking of file systems, even when they are marked
clean (for file systems that support this)." This could also
be done regularly on a scheduled (!) basis if there's the
suspection of "silent corruption" - but in such cases, better
spot the faulty hardware and replace it (bad disks, bad power
supply, bad PSU and the like).



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Re: I have a problem to my server running under FreeBSD 8.1 p-1 release

2012-06-23 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi,

On Saturday 23 June 2012 15:33:45 RetspaN Code wrote:
> also this
> 
> 14417  ??  Ss 0:00.02 /bin/sh - /usr/sbin/periodic daily
> 14425  ??  I  0:00.04 /bin/sh - /usr/sbin/periodic daily

as long it is online, there is a very, very low chance to get anything done.

And even when it is taken off-line, it will be difficult to stop all the 
programs in one go.

This machine does not look good.

Erich
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Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do

2012-06-23 Thread Hans Petter Selasky
On Saturday 23 June 2012 11:52:53 Adrian Chadd wrote:
> On 21 June 2012 23:22, Hans Petter Selasky  wrote:
> > usbconfig -d 7.6 add_quirk UQ_MSC_NO_INQUIRY
> > 
> > Then re-plug it.
> > 
> > I'm sorry to say a lot of USB flash sticks out there are broken and only
> > tested with the timing of MS Windows. Part of the problem is that it is
> > difficult to autodetect these issues, because once you trigger the non-
> > supported SCSI command, then the flash key stops working like you
> > experience.
> > 
> > I would be more than glad to open up an office to certify USB devices for
> > use with FreeBSD :-)
> 
> Question - if that's the case, then why are we even doing that by default?
> 

Hi,

Do you want a blacklist or do you want a whitelist? Please explain the pros 
and cons.

I believe that those that program wrong shall be held responsible for that and 
given a chance to clean up, and not the opposite way around. As a senior 
programmer I can only testify that many people care equally little about what 
their computer is made of and what they eat. We probably need a control body 
to certify USB devices that is cheaper than USB.org, simply put.

I think it is a bad idea to cripple all USB SCSI devices because what looks 
like the majority do not obey the rules of the specifications they are 
supposed to support. Else we need to make a new USB SCSI class for devices 
that are certified and one for devices that are not certified. Non-certified 
devices can have a limited SCSI command set, which should be implemented in 
the CAM layer like some kind of flag.

If we could join heads on the Linux guys on this, we might be able to do 
something! Like having a pop-up every time a USB device fails certain tests.

From the history we can predict what people will do when they do not know what 
they are doing. They will nail the guy doing it right and let the guy doing it 
wrong go free. And it seems like this happened before too ;-)

I have a personal FreeBSD-native USB test utilty that runs mass storage 
devices through a series of tests. Most USB mass storage devices I've tested 
so far have obvious bugs, which either means their firmware can be hacked or 
made to crash.

Also worth noting, that many USB device are not certified at all. It might be 
clever to look for the USB logo from USB.org next time you want to transfer X 
GB of personal data from location X to Y.

--HPS
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Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do

2012-06-23 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi,

On Saturday 23 June 2012 15:08:53 Thomas Mueller wrote:
> 
> I don't think I ever tried to connect a USB 2.0 device to 3.0 port, but I
> tried the opposite.
> 
I have here 2 hard disks and 2 flash drives with USB 2.0. Three of them work 
on FreeBSD on an USB 3.0 port. One hard disk only works on a USB 3.0 port.

One hard drive with USB 3.0 does not work on USB 3.0 but only on 2.0.

Irony is that the PCBSD installer installed PCBSD on the USB 3.0 disk but it 
did not boot afterward.

> I tried to access that USB 3.0 hard drive on the new computer from USB 2.0
> port because NetBSD has no USB 3.0 support: no go.

Let me check this out.
> 
> But when I installed USB 2.0 brackets to USB 2.0 headers on the
> motherboard, the USB 3.0 hard drive was accessible from those USB 2.0
> ports.
> 
Same as in my case.

USB is more a lottery than real computing for me.

Erich
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Re: fsck_ufs running too often

2012-06-23 Thread Julian H. Stacey
> My suggestion: Set background_fsck="YES" in /etc/rc.conf and let
> the system boot up that way. _If_ you have a faulty disk or other
> data corruption, you'll notice this _before_ going multi-user and
> maybe making things worse. Yes, it might take some time, but it's
> time well invested in your data integrity.
> 
> Alternative: Perform a "shutdown now" and go into single-user mode.
> Then unmount all your file systems, do "mount -o ro /" and then
> perform the fsck run on all file systems. It's typically adviced
> to perform file system checks on unmounted (or at least read-only
> mounted) file systems.

man fsck:
-
 Note that background fsck is limited to checking for only the
 most commonly occurring file system abnormalities.  Under certain
 circumstances, some errors can escape background fsck.  It is
 recommended that you perform foreground fsck on your systems
 periodically and whenever you encounter file-system-related pan-
 ics.
---

So do a manual fsck to make sure there's no residual faults lurking.

Realise fsck wont start if it thinks its clean, (but might not be clean) so
Boot single user & type 
fsck
or fsck -y

PS
/etc/rc.conf:
fsck_y_enable="YES" # to regularly force clean if fsck asks
# background_fsck="YES" # a trade off your decision

Cheers,
Julian
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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar

a) activate PXE/WOL on bios

b) start the laptop via PXE using a freebsd/linux/whatever_os_you_want_to_use

c) use dd piped to rsync to make the backups

not really efficient but working.

ntfsprogs from ports can be helpful. you may use ntfsmount and access NTFS 
files directly.


if backup is done over fast LAN, ntfsclone -s is useful
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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar



still - any ftp client will no go faster than ftp protocol allows.


That's sure. But I think it's an option for the laptops what Chad

only if $HOME directly or part of it is copied and nothing more
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Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do

2012-06-23 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 21 June 2012 23:22, Hans Petter Selasky  wrote:

> usbconfig -d 7.6 add_quirk UQ_MSC_NO_INQUIRY
>
> Then re-plug it.
>
> I'm sorry to say a lot of USB flash sticks out there are broken and only
> tested with the timing of MS Windows. Part of the problem is that it is
> difficult to autodetect these issues, because once you trigger the non-
> supported SCSI command, then the flash key stops working like you experience.
>
> I would be more than glad to open up an office to certify USB devices for use
> with FreeBSD :-)

Question - if that's the case, then why are we even doing that by default?



Adrian
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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Eduardo Morras

At 02:37 23/06/2012, Chad Perrin wrote:

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 08:47:40PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:09:03AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > I'm setting up a "new" backup server using FreeBSD.  It will be used for
> > backing up laptops, which will not be connected to the network by any
> > kind of schedule, so backups will be initiated manually rather than by
> > cron or other scheduled procedures.
>
> What are the laptops running?

FreeBSD, Debian, and/or Ubuntu.  There's at least one of each.  I
apologize for not mentioning that sooner.  I had a feeling I'd overlook
something.


If it must work with all OS and you have no restrictions on network you can:

a) activate PXE/WOL on bios

b) start the laptop via PXE using a freebsd/linux/whatever_os_you_want_to_use

c) use dd piped to rsync to make the backups

This way you don't need to install anything on your freebsd ubuntu debian. 



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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread herbert langhans
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 11:10:06AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >lftp does work incremental. Take a look at Chad's posting again and read
> >what he needs. And of course, ftp via ssh is nothing new ...

> still - any ftp client will no go faster than ftp protocol allows.

That's sure. But I think it's an option for the laptops what Chad
mentioned. Such scripts for backup are set up in minutes and it happily
copies the files to the server. If there are already user accounts on
the server, it could be really easy. I think it depends on the scale of
the network.

Cheers
herb langhans

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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar

lftp does work incremental. Take a look at Chad's posting again and read
what he needs. And of course, ftp via ssh is nothing new ...

still - any ftp client will no go faster than ftp protocol allows.
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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread herbert langhans
lftp does work incremental. Take a look at Chad's posting again and read 
what he needs. And of course, ftp via ssh is nothing new ...

Cheers
herb langhans


On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:22:04AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:49:39 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > > Maybe take a look at lftp, at the mirror option. For basic demands its a
> > > compact solution.
> > 
> > try doing backup of things with 1 dirs and million files and certainly 
> > you will understand you need rsync.
> 
> In addition to rsync, which is regarded the default tool for
> the described action, maybe cpdup is worth looking at. It also
> has the ability to maintain "incremental" backups (add changes).
> 
> 
> 
> > ftp protocol is plain bad for that.
> 
> And insecure unless tunneled through some encryption (which might
> be important when backups appear inside a network with non-trusted
> participants, or across the Internet).
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar

However, fsck'ing such large volumes will take considerable time if such a
thing needs doing. There is the new "Soft-update plus Journaling" coming
along with the advent of 9.x, which is supposed to ameliorate this. Not


it is far from perfect. But fine to use it.

Just DO full fsck every some time. Fortunately it would be planned outage 
instead of unplanned.

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Re: I have a problem to my server running under FreeBSD 8.1 p-1 release

2012-06-23 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi,

On Saturday 23 June 2012 14:44:18 RetspaN Code wrote:
> 
> I did own now by root:wheel but now i'm under on ddos attack. :(  but still
> not yet done the exploit not yet remove.
> 
> too lag my server due to ddos attack.
> 
the server must be off-line if you want to have the tiniest chance to get it 
back again.

Erich
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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:49:39 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > Maybe take a look at lftp, at the mirror option. For basic demands its a
> > compact solution.
> 
> try doing backup of things with 1 dirs and million files and certainly 
> you will understand you need rsync.

In addition to rsync, which is regarded the default tool for
the described action, maybe cpdup is worth looking at. It also
has the ability to maintain "incremental" backups (add changes).



> ftp protocol is plain bad for that.

And insecure unless tunneled through some encryption (which might
be important when backups appear inside a network with non-trusted
participants, or across the Internet).



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Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-23 Thread Michael Powell
Hooman Fazaeli wrote:

> 
> I meant, is it now possible to have >2TB FS with UFS?
> 

Yes. The 2TB limitation so many are used to applies more to the tools than
the UFS2 file system itself. UFS2 has a max volume size of 2^73, or 8 
Zeta-Bytes. If you utilize the old Dos MBR scheme with old fdisk and 
disklabel tools you will still face the 2TB volume limit. Use Gpart, Glabel,
and GPT partitioning instead.

A quick and short example:

http://www.mebsd.com/configure-freebsd-servers/big-partitions-in-freebsd-bigger-than-2tb.html

However, fsck'ing such large volumes will take considerable time if such a
thing needs doing. There is the new "Soft-update plus Journaling" coming
along with the advent of 9.x, which is supposed to ameliorate this. Not 
completely sold on it yet, as I don't have enough knowledge/experience yet.
Some may say "it's not just quite ready for prime time yet", but I don't really
know definitively myself.

[snip]

-Mike




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Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar

What if a USB mass storage device works with some BSDs but not all?
well the only thing i never experiences with USB pendrives is a one that 
works everytime properly. Everything else is possible.

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Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do

2012-06-23 Thread Thomas Mueller
> My elder colleague often told me that it is the easiest and well-working way
> to check whether the one is certified to work for Mac OS X to get USB mass
> storage devices which work with *BSD :)

> Just my 5 yen,

-|-__   YAMAMOTO, Taku
 | __ < 

What if a USB mass storage device works with some BSDs but not all?

I had Kingston Data Travelers, 2 GB, from one lot that were good with Linux and 
FreeBSD but not NetBSD.

Other USB sticks, including Kingston Data Tavelers, worked with Linux, FreeBSD 
and NetBSD.

I even installed FreeDOS 1.1 prerelease on one of those NetBSD-averse Kingstom 
Data Travelers.

But I think either Mac OS X, Linux or FreeBSD is much more production-ready 
than NetBSD.

> There are 3 drivers, one for 3.0, 2.0 and 1.0, and they are associated to
> corresponding devices  at boot. I'll play around with it this weekend and
> see how to switch, i've also noticed issue connecting 2.0 device to 3.0
> port.

> Waitman Gobble
> San Jose California USA

I don't think I ever tried to connect a USB 2.0 device to 3.0 port, but I tried 
the opposite.

My Western Digital My Book Essential 3.0 TB USB 3.0 drive works even on the old 
computer whose motherboard's USB is 1.1.

I tried to access that USB 3.0 hard drive on the new computer from USB 2.0 port 
because NetBSD has no USB 3.0 support: no go.

But when I installed USB 2.0 brackets to USB 2.0 headers on the motherboard, 
the USB 3.0 hard drive was accessible from those USB 2.0 ports.

Tom
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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar


Hmm, I'm not sure that there is _anything_ that meets _all_ your criteria!


rsync meets. It can be a little harder with windoze, with any unix-like OS 
it will work.


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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Roland Smith
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 06:37:17PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 08:47:40PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:09:03AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > > I'm setting up a "new" backup server using FreeBSD.  It will be used for
> > > backing up laptops, which will not be connected to the network by any
> > > kind of schedule, so backups will be initiated manually rather than by
> > > cron or other scheduled procedures.
> > 
> > What are the laptops running?
> 
> FreeBSD, Debian, and/or Ubuntu.  There's at least one of each.  I
> apologize for not mentioning that sooner.  I had a feeling I'd overlook
> something.

Hmm, I'm not sure that there is _anything_ that meets _all_ your criteria!

For backing up complete systems (including boot blocks) I've used Clonezilla
Live to good effect. On the several standalone systems I tried it on, it
managed around 1 GiB/minute, backing up to a USB HDD. It can also back-up to a
ssh, samba or nfs server. Of course this doesn't do incremental backups, and
it is GPL.

If you don't care about the OS, and just want to back up the user's data, I
guess rsync would be the way to go. This in turn will not save the boot block,
although you could use dd for that I guess.

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Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar

and hardware in the lab on last week.
I reformatted the USB drive with extFAT and standard block size on
Windows 7. The USB drive is now seen again on FreeBSD and recognized as

this points that the pendrive's controller is not just flaky but horrid.
The communiation with OS, and how/whether it is configured properly should 
not depend on what data is written to it - in your case exFAT metadata.


It seems that controller manufacturer just did something "to run on 
windows and linux" instead of something that conform to USB mass storage 
interface standard :(


Sorry but it may be hopeless case.
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Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar

I meant, is it now possible to have >2TB FS with UFS?


UFS2 is here since IMHO year 2005.

Now the only problem is fsck time.

actually IMHO fsck can be improved a lot but someone must have time and 
will to do this. if parallelism would be exploited on gstripe type(*) 
volumes then it should take less than 30 minutes no matter how large the volume 
is.



Anyway - even with UFS which is the most fault-resilent filesystem i know 
- i would not recommend creating gstripe type volumes taking too many 
disks for the reason i already explained.


For now softupdates+journal is fine, you actually have to do full fsck now 
and then, but at spare time.


*) gstripe type means gstripe, gstripe+gmirror, graid5, graid5+gstripe, 
hardware matrix controller with any type of RAID configuration.

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Re: backup tools

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Maybe take a look at lftp, at the mirror option. For basic demands its a
compact solution.


try doing backup of things with 1 dirs and million files and certainly 
you will understand you need rsync.


ftp protocol is plain bad for that.
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Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-23 Thread Hooman Fazaeli


I meant, is it now possible to have >2TB FS with UFS?

On 6/21/2012 6:54 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote:



On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Hooman Fazaeli wrote:


On 6/21/2012 4:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

stick with UFS. It JUST WORKS(R), and is trusty.
And it works fast.


What options are there for >2TB file systems with UFS?


the same as for <2TB filesystems.



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Re: I have a problem to my server running under FreeBSD 8.1 p-1 release

2012-06-23 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi,

On Saturday 23 June 2012 14:20:58 RetspaN Code wrote:
> 
> That was before. and i notice most of files on / directory is not own by
> wheel group. :( i try to chown but still not done. can u tell me why that
> happen?

all in / has to be owned by root:wheel.

Who else has had root access and might have left the company since then?

Erich
> 
> Thanks! Erich
> 
> Regards,
> 
> FredFoxs
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Erich Dollansky 
> To: RetspaN Code ; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 3:02 PM
> Subject: Re: I have a problem to my server running under FreeBSD 8.1 p-1
> release
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Saturday 23 June 2012 13:41:24 RetspaN Code wrote:
> > 49129472 drwxr-x--x   20 root  tonyx 512 Jun  5 13:00 ..
> 
> who belongs to this group?
> 
> > 49134586 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel6206 Jun 13  2010 COPYRIGHT
> > 49134587 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel 442 Jun 13  2010 LOCKS
> > 49134588 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel6659 Jun 13  2010 MAINTAINERS
> > 49134589 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel   12990 Jun 13  2010 Makefile
> > 49134590 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel   42773 Jun 13  2010 Makefile.inc1
> > 49134591 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel  230253 Jun 13  2010
> > ObsoleteFiles.inc 49134592 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel3087 Jun 13 
> > 2010 README 49134593 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel   69779 Sep 20  2010
> > UPDATING 49698048 drwxr-xr-x   40 root  wheel1024 Oct 28  2010 bin
> > 49133812 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel 443 May 28  2011 bind.patch
> > 49133815 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel 185 May 28  2011 bind.patch.asc
> > 49134439 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel2832 Dec 23  2011 bind8.patch
> > 49133792 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel 885 Sep 20  2010 bzip2.patch
> 
> What are those files doing here?
> 
> > 49698539 drwxr-xr-x8 root  wheel 512 Oct 28  2010 cddl
> > 49133586 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel6549 Dec 23  2011 chroot8.patch
> 
> Again ...
> 
> > 49959740 drwxr-xr-x  208 root  wheel4096 Jun  2 20:13 usr.sbin
> 
> The access rights seem all to be right.
> 
> > CyberTech# ls -lia /usr/
> > total 592
> > 49129472 drwxr-x--x  20 root  tonyx 512 Jun  5 13:00 .
> >
> >2 drwx--x--x  23 root  wheel 512 Jun 18 21:45 ..
> >
> > 49133557 lrwxr-xr-x   1 root  tonyx  10 Oct 31  2010 X11R6 ->
> > /usr/local 49129473 drwxr-xr-x   2 root  1001 7680 Jun 18 21:40 bin
> > 49626757 drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel 512 Oct 28  2010 compat
> > 49653185 drwxr-xr-x  24 root  wheel1024 Oct 28  2010 doc
> > 49626758 drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel 512 Oct 28  2010 games
> > 49270825 drwx--x--x  10 root  wheel 512 Jun 22 05:01 home
> 
> I would use 755 for home. You can keep here wheel as the group.
> 
> > 49129474 drwxr-xr-x  47 root  1001 5120 Oct 28  2010 include
> > 49129475 drwxr-xr-x   6 root  100111776 May 30 21:17 lib
> > 49129476 drwxr-xr-x   5 root  1001  512 Jul 18  2010 libdata
> > 49129477 drwxr-xr-x   5 root  1001 1536 Dec 28 05:45 libexec
> 
> What was group 1001? In /usr all should be owned by wheel.
> 
> > 49129478 drwxr-xr-x  18 root  wheel 512 May 31 22:21 local
> > 49626759 drwxr-xr-x   3 root  wheel 512 Oct 28  2010 obj
> > 49176576 drwx--x--x  69 root  wheel1536 Nov  5  2010 ports
> 
> I would not set the access rights like this for ports but it should be no
> harm. Do you know why it is like this?
> 
> > 49158174 drwx--x--x   3 root  tonyx 512 May 20 07:56 rscr
> > 49134479 -rw-r--r--   1 root  tonyx  517120 Jun  5 13:00 rscr.tar
> 
> What is group tonyx?
> 
> > 49129481 drwx--  22 root  wheel1024 Jan  7 02:27 src
> 
> The same as ports.
> 
> > 49698045 drwxr-xr-x   5 root  wheel 512 Oct 28  2010 sup
> > 49155246 drwxr-xr-x   2 root  tonyx 512 Oct 28  2010 uscr
> 
> Why is there a uscr there?
> 
> > CyberTech#
> 
> It seems that your are from a small island.
> 
> > Can you help me Sir to find out what is going on in my machine.
> 
> It will be difficult to fix this from distance!
> 
> Erich
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Re: USB system: FreeBSD 9-STABLE and 10-CURRENT do not recognize 64GB USB drive while Linux and Windows do

2012-06-23 Thread O. Hartmann
On 06/22/12 08:22, Hans Petter Selasky wrote:
> On Friday 22 June 2012 08:01:38 O. Hartmann wrote:
>> I have a USB drive/stick, Lexar USB Flash drive as reported by FreeBSD
>> shown below.
>> When first used, I was able to put approx. 30 GB of data on it - it was
>> visible to FreeBSD 9 and 10 as expected.
>> A Linux system at the lab was also capable of recognizing it. After
>> that, I tried to operate on the stick on a Notebook, FreeBSD 9, and
>> another station, FreeBSD 10. But FreeBSD didn't recognize the USB drive
>> anymore - sometimes, but this seems to be a gambling issue :-(
>>
>> Trying Linux on different hardware platforms and even those machines
>> prior not recognizing the USB drive do recognize the drive as Lexar USB
>> Flash drive with 64GB. That is Suse Linux (some 12.XX), that is Ubuntu
>> 12.04, that is Windows 7 Pro/x64. I can format the drive, I can push and
>> pull data from it.
>>
>> So, since the USB drive won't work with three different FreeBSD boxes
>> (one running 9-STABLE, two 10-CURRENT, all systems most recent sources
>> and buildworld from a day ago).
>> I suspect either a weird configuration issue I use on all platforms in
>> questions in common triggering the weird beviour - or FreeBSD is simply
>> incapable of handling the 64GB drive. I do not have issues with USB
>> drives with capacities of 32, 8 or 4 GB of different brands.
>>
>> As shown in the portion of the dmesg below, the USB drive is recognized
>> physically. It doesn't matter whether USB port I use (I tried all
>> available on all boxes and in most cases I use a Dell UltraSharp powered
>> in-screen HUB). Since other OSes handle the drive as expected, I exclude
>> hardware issues.
>>
>> All FreeBSD in common is the fact I use the new device ahaci/device ata
>> CAM/ATA scheme with devcie scbus in the kernel (I use custom kernels!).
>>
>> Apart from trying a GENERIC kernel (which is next I will do this
>> weekend), does anyone have similar experiences and probably solutions?
>>
>> Regards,
>> oh
>>
>> ugen7.6:  at usbus7
>> umass1:  on
>> usbus7 (probe0:umass-sim1:1:0:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 0 0 0 24 0
>> (probe0:umass-sim1:1:0:0): CAM status: CCB request completed with an error
>> (probe0:umass-sim1:1:0:0): Retrying command
>> (probe0:umass-sim1:1:0:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 0 0 0 24 0
>> (probe0:umass-sim1:1:0:0): CAM status: CCB request completed with an error
>> (probe0:umass-sim1:1:0:0): Retrying command
>> (probe0:umass-sim1:1:0:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 0 0 0 24 0
>> (probe0:umass-sim1:1:0:0): CAM status: CCB request completed with an error
>> (probe0:umass-sim1:1:0:0): Retrying command
>> (probe0:umass-sim1:1:0:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 0 0 0 24 0
>> (probe0:umass-sim1:1:0:0): CAM status: CCB request completed with an error
>> (probe0:umass-sim1:1:0:0): Retrying command
>> (probe0:umass-sim1:1:0:0): INQUIRY. CDB: 12 0 0 0 24 0
>> (probe0:umass-sim1:1:0:0): CAM status: CCB request completed with an error
>> (probe0:umass-sim1:1:0:0): Error 5, Retries exhausted
> 
> Hi,
> 
> After plugging the device, try:
> 
> usbconfig -d 7.6 add_quirk UQ_MSC_NO_INQUIRY
> 
> Then re-plug it.
> 
> I'm sorry to say a lot of USB flash sticks out there are broken and only 
> tested with the timing of MS Windows. Part of the problem is that it is 
> difficult to autodetect these issues, because once you trigger the non-
> supported SCSI command, then the flash key stops working like you experience.
> 
> I would be more than glad to open up an office to certify USB devices for use 
> with FreeBSD :-)
> 
> --HPS
> 

I tried the USB drive this morning with the recommended quirk shown
above on FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #1 r237462: Sat Jun 23 01:00:35 CEST 2012
without success. I get the same error message as shown above. With or
without quirk.

I then started Windows 7 on the same box. The USB drive is seen as
expected and reflects what I experienced on every other non-FreeBSD box
and hardware in the lab on last week.
I reformatted the USB drive with extFAT and standard block size on
Windows 7. The USB drive is now seen again on FreeBSD and recognized as
a drive. "Seen" in my sloppy terminology means: recognized as a disk.
The hardware is recognized, but it is not recognized as a drive.

The fact, that the very first time after I bought that USB drive, I was
able to put several GB on it, use it on both FreeBSD 9-STABLE and
10-CURRENT, and then it broke, drives me nuts.
Using the very same pen drive on other OSes even on the same hardware
without issues makes me believe FreeBSD does have an issue, not the USB
drive.

I will fill the USB drive with data and try to use it very often on
FreeBSD. Last time the error occured, it was read by a Suse Linux box.
If I wouldn't know better I would say Linux tries to kill the USB drive
... But Linux did see it all the time. A "usual customer" would see it
the same way, I guess.

I will test and report next week when I have access to the other boxes
and OSes again.

Regards,
Oliver



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Re: Why Clang

2012-06-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar

I am not sure, as long as clients would be treated seriously!


I look at large corporate software vendors and see them treating
customers seriously maybe 2% of the time at best.  In this case, most of


I assumed FreeBSD team are OK and would fit in this 2% or even those 0.2%



am i wrong?
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Re: I have a problem to my server running under FreeBSD 8.1 p-1 release

2012-06-23 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi,

On Saturday 23 June 2012 13:41:24 RetspaN Code wrote:
> 49129472 drwxr-x--x   20 root  tonyx 512 Jun  5 13:00 ..

who belongs to this group?

> 49134586 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel6206 Jun 13  2010 COPYRIGHT
> 49134587 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel 442 Jun 13  2010 LOCKS
> 49134588 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel6659 Jun 13  2010 MAINTAINERS
> 49134589 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel   12990 Jun 13  2010 Makefile
> 49134590 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel   42773 Jun 13  2010 Makefile.inc1
> 49134591 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel  230253 Jun 13  2010 ObsoleteFiles.inc
> 49134592 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel3087 Jun 13  2010 README
> 49134593 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel   69779 Sep 20  2010 UPDATING
> 49698048 drwxr-xr-x   40 root  wheel1024 Oct 28  2010 bin
> 49133812 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel 443 May 28  2011 bind.patch
> 49133815 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel 185 May 28  2011 bind.patch.asc
> 49134439 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel2832 Dec 23  2011 bind8.patch
> 49133792 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel 885 Sep 20  2010 bzip2.patch

What are those files doing here?

> 49698539 drwxr-xr-x8 root  wheel 512 Oct 28  2010 cddl
> 49133586 -rw-r--r--1 root  wheel6549 Dec 23  2011 chroot8.patch

Again ...

> 49959740 drwxr-xr-x  208 root  wheel4096 Jun  2 20:13 usr.sbin

The access rights seem all to be right.

> CyberTech# ls -lia /usr/
> total 592
> 49129472 drwxr-x--x  20 root  tonyx 512 Jun  5 13:00 .
>2 drwx--x--x  23 root  wheel 512 Jun 18 21:45 ..
> 49133557 lrwxr-xr-x   1 root  tonyx  10 Oct 31  2010 X11R6 ->
> /usr/local 49129473 drwxr-xr-x   2 root  1001 7680 Jun 18 21:40 bin
> 49626757 drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel 512 Oct 28  2010 compat
> 49653185 drwxr-xr-x  24 root  wheel1024 Oct 28  2010 doc
> 49626758 drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel 512 Oct 28  2010 games
> 49270825 drwx--x--x  10 root  wheel 512 Jun 22 05:01 home

I would use 755 for home. You can keep here wheel as the group.

> 49129474 drwxr-xr-x  47 root  1001 5120 Oct 28  2010 include
> 49129475 drwxr-xr-x   6 root  100111776 May 30 21:17 lib
> 49129476 drwxr-xr-x   5 root  1001  512 Jul 18  2010 libdata
> 49129477 drwxr-xr-x   5 root  1001 1536 Dec 28 05:45 libexec

What was group 1001? In /usr all should be owned by wheel.

> 49129478 drwxr-xr-x  18 root  wheel 512 May 31 22:21 local
> 49626759 drwxr-xr-x   3 root  wheel 512 Oct 28  2010 obj
> 49176576 drwx--x--x  69 root  wheel1536 Nov  5  2010 ports

I would not set the access rights like this for ports but it should be no 
harm. Do you know why it is like this?

> 49158174 drwx--x--x   3 root  tonyx 512 May 20 07:56 rscr
> 49134479 -rw-r--r--   1 root  tonyx  517120 Jun  5 13:00 rscr.tar

What is group tonyx?

> 49129481 drwx--  22 root  wheel1024 Jan  7 02:27 src

The same as ports.

> 49698045 drwxr-xr-x   5 root  wheel 512 Oct 28  2010 sup
> 49155246 drwxr-xr-x   2 root  tonyx 512 Oct 28  2010 uscr

Why is there a uscr there?

> CyberTech#

It seems that your are from a small island.
> 
> Can you help me Sir to find out what is going on in my machine.

It will be difficult to fix this from distance!

Erich
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