Because there's no reason to do that. It's an asinine suggestion.
Clang is here to stay. Most of us are happy about that decision. GCC
Because most that are not already stopped and ignored thing. and use GCC.
Politics won.
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programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered.
This has not been decided in court yet.
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Agreed. Wojciech Puchar is in my 'probable troll' file at this point,
Here too, http://berklix.com/~jhs/dots/.procmailrc.lists
very good. just block me, instead of performing aggresive replies and
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sources please!
Google "GPLv3 court case". There are no applicable results. Until a Judge
decides what the license truly means everyone using it is at risk.
true.
But why anyone from FreeBSD fundation didn't just write official letter
to GNU "Free" Software Foundation asking for just that
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Only after you, my man, only after you.
not yours. i'm not homose
Additionally, the exceptions for using the GCC runtime library for non-GPL
executables
is limited to what hey call "eligible compilation processes", what rules out
using
proprietary GCC plugins or other combinations of core GCC functionality with
non-GPL
tooling and extensions.
Please note th
So, has anyone compared the performance of clang vs gcc compiled in daily use--
for example as a server? Anyone can cherry pick a couple of binaries, but how
important is this for the performance of FreeBSD world?
not big, as with almost any compiler. Most workload are dominated by cache
misse
This is a valid argument. Checksumming is used to detect cases where the
disk or the disk controller return invalid data to the CPU. This can happen
for any number of reasons and isn't that unlikely. "Unrecoverable read
error" probabilities are high enough with common drives that you can
reasonab
OK, if you have 24 2-way mirrors and two drives in the same mirror fail
then with UFS you lose the contents of that mirror. Other filesystems in
the same box are fine. Restores from backups are going to be easy since
the backups are probably arranged to be per-filesystem.
true. i actually don't
I would see a problem with that -- not because I don't think FreeBSD is
worth it. I do, and I think it is worth more than that, in fact. The
true.
biggest problem with what you propose, though, is that it would destroy
the social factors in development of the FreeBSD system that make it wha
incapable of handling the 64GB drive. I do not have issues with USB
it's not about capacity. But seems some quirks for that pendrive (which
have buggy firmware) has to be added, as it doesn't respond for inquiry
command.
sorry i am not USB expert.
umass1: on usbus7
(probe0:umass-sim1:1:0:
underway to make sure the base system will compile cleanly with both
Clang and GCC 4.2+, so I think you're just making up complaints here.
Someone (other than Wojciech Puchar, who would just be talking out of his
once again personal attacks from unhappy childs.
ass) correct me i
Because it doesn't address an of the *OTHER* valid reasons why GCC is
being replaced -- among them:
1) GCC's continuously increasing propensity to generate "bad code",
examples? All test shows that gcc code is not only bad, but very good. Why
are you just saying things you know isn't true?
a) Normally any Domain name registered has to have 2 Nameservers. Some
don't have to. but should.
registry like the one responsible for .ORG requires 2 at least to propagate
the domain. In teh case of .COM that is not a requirement, one nameserver
could work. If for some reason I have 2 of th
My criteria for procedures are:
1. They should minimize the need for additional software beyond the base
system as much as reasonably possible. This means not only that I do not
good idea.
3. They should provide for incremental backups.
do backed up laptops use FreeBSD or have another fil
Hi, since a few of days ago, I noticed my home server turns very slow more than once a
day, so every time I run "top" to see what's processes are running, I can see
fsck_ufs at the very top, and the hard drive working like mad.
background_fsck=NO in /etc/rc.conf
I've checked my crontab and
I am not sure, as long as clients would be treated seriously!
I look at large corporate software vendors and see them treating
customers seriously maybe 2% of the time at best. In this case, most of
I assumed FreeBSD team are OK and would fit in this 2% or even those 0.2%
am i wrong?
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Maybe take a look at lftp, at the mirror option. For basic demands its a
compact solution.
try doing backup of things with 1 dirs and million files and certainly
you will understand you need rsync.
ftp protocol is plain bad for that.
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I meant, is it now possible to have >2TB FS with UFS?
UFS2 is here since IMHO year 2005.
Now the only problem is fsck time.
actually IMHO fsck can be improved a lot but someone must have time and
will to do this. if parallelism would be exploited on gstripe type(*)
volumes then it should tak
and hardware in the lab on last week.
I reformatted the USB drive with extFAT and standard block size on
Windows 7. The USB drive is now seen again on FreeBSD and recognized as
this points that the pendrive's controller is not just flaky but horrid.
The communiation with OS, and how/whether it is
Hmm, I'm not sure that there is _anything_ that meets _all_ your criteria!
rsync meets. It can be a little harder with windoze, with any unix-like OS
it will work.
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What if a USB mass storage device works with some BSDs but not all?
well the only thing i never experiences with USB pendrives is a one that
works everytime properly. Everything else is possible.
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However, fsck'ing such large volumes will take considerable time if such a
thing needs doing. There is the new "Soft-update plus Journaling" coming
along with the advent of 9.x, which is supposed to ameliorate this. Not
it is far from perfect. But fine to use it.
Just DO full fsck every some ti
lftp does work incremental. Take a look at Chad's posting again and read
what he needs. And of course, ftp via ssh is nothing new ...
still - any ftp client will no go faster than ftp protocol allows.
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still - any ftp client will no go faster than ftp protocol allows.
That's sure. But I think it's an option for the laptops what Chad
only if $HOME directly or part of it is copied and nothing more
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a) activate PXE/WOL on bios
b) start the laptop via PXE using a freebsd/linux/whatever_os_you_want_to_use
c) use dd piped to rsync to make the backups
not really efficient but working.
ntfsprogs from ports can be helpful. you may use ntfsmount and access NTFS
files directly.
if backup is do
ports.
Same as in my case.
USB is more a lottery than real computing for me.
but this is not USB standard fault, but USB device manufacturers that
cannot really read standard specifications. "It works" (under windoze,
under linux) is enough.
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daily basis, Luckily, very few of them involve FreeBSD, which is why I
do not exhibit such a negative attitude, except of course when I do
attempt to plug one in a FreeBSD machine with negative results. I do
not know what is more pathetic; the fact that so many devices fail to
operate correctly --
what exactly deficiences and requirements not met by rsync are you talking
about?
simplifications of rsync's ability to exclude files or directories, elegant
handling of backups' expirations) are sufficient to make it a worthy
alternative to naked rsync. The frontend is written in Perl and eas
PXE booting gives a lot of possibilities. I use it to boot Clonezilla to
back up Windows systems. That is better than dd, since only used disk blocks
ntfsclone is what you need. for sure simpler.
For FreeBSD and other open operating systems, sysutils/rsnapshot is a
what is exactly rsnapsh
For setting the dafault hash used to hash /etc/master.passwd, it has
been recommended changing md5 for something more secure in the sense of
being more expensive to crack.
is md5 that easy to crack?
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windoze, under linux) is enough.
If the ROI does not exceed the expenditure to meet a specification that
only applies to a niche segment of the potential market, then it is in
all probability not going to happen.
Right. Fine.
There is not written on them "conforms to USB Mass Storage standard"
you mean "wake on lan"? there is "wol" tool in ports.
proper. I meant, too, that dirvish, which was the alternative that I
recommended, presents an elegant and easily-comprehended way to manage rsync's
considerable abilities, not that it provides features that can't be managed
directly by rsync.
Thanks for pointing out that there are Windows ports of rsync, and that you
provide examples of their use. I'm not sure I would entrust my system backups
to them if they come with the disclaimer that you've "no idea how stable and
usable they are."
http://justinsomnia.org/2007/02/how-to-regular
been recommended changing md5 for something more secure in the
sense of being more expensive to crack.
is md5 that easy to crack?
It has been discussed recently, cf
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-security/2012-June/006271.html
or virtually the first half of
http://lists.freebsd.org
Actually, a Wake-On-LAN feature is not at all necessary for me in this
case. It's a simple enough task to just trigger a backup manually at the
command line via a script that automates the process.
still. a separate wol tool is available in ports. You may easily construct
shell script that will
i not yet won but soon will :)
Anyway - congratulations for listserver admin for making spam amount THAT
SMALL! IT is less than one per day for such a list - IN SPITE of no need
to subscribe.
Anyway - is requirement to subscribe somehow bad?
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I am amazed anyone still has a working Zip drive!
I have 250MB zipdrive and 100MB disks. all works properly over USB
I did this with OpenOffice 3.x and you have
- 10 times to Inser Picture
- 10 times pic-up the correct picture from the file dialog
- 10 times to move the picture to the correct place in the page
- 10 times to scale the image so that two fit and adjust them a bit
- 4 time Create new page
it took m
programming involves many of the classic trade-offs in programming: dynamic
features add flexibility, static features add speed and type checking."
My Note: please keep in mind we are talking about language used for writing
clang, a compiler tool.
So, Objective-C has disadvantage with regard
If it would be truly about removing GPLv3 code that hurts, replacing
libstdc++ would be first thing to do.
I assume you mean like the new libc++?
http://wiki.freebsd.org/NewC%2B%2BStack
yes. this is actually GREAT MOVE!
even if it's slower, object oriented languages are not about speed anyway.
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012, Matthias Apitz wrote:
El día Monday, June 25, 2012 a las 02:52:24PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar escribió:
simplest case:
1)convert them in batch to postscript.
I did this already with:
for i in *.jpg do ; convert $i $i.ps ; done
this works fin;
2)place it with mpage
Xorg -nolisten tcp to disable at all
to disable wan only use firewall
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012, Walter Hurry wrote:
FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE
I think Xorg is listening on external addresses:
$ sockstat -46 |grep Xorg
root Xorg 1573 1 tcp6 *:6000*:*
root Xorg 1573
I'm probably being stupid here, and I should have mentioned that I had
already tried 'man Xorg' and 'man Xsession'. I appreciate that the answer
is probably to put '-nolisten tcp' somewhere, but where?
As far as I can see, XDM invokes /usr/local/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession, which
at Xservers file
s
How did you get the drive to work with USB? By a hardware adapter? I
i have USB drives. not an adapter
read there is a USB to ide on the market.
I remember specifically that Iomega produced USB Zip drives, though not when
they first produced SCSI, ATAPI and parallel-port Zip drives.
One
# look like:
# XTerminalName:0 foreign
#
:0 local /usr/local/bin/X -nolisten tcp :0
If there's batter way of doing this, please would someone let me know.
this is the right way if you use xdm.
similar settings are in kdm and gdm possible.
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Will the buildworld ---> buildkernel KERNCONF=FOO64 allow a 32 bit
installation to build a 64 bit kernel? I'd like to upgrade this machine to
TARGET=amd64
64 bit AMD and I'd prefer not to do it from a DVD if I can do it from source.
Has anyone tried this and succeeded (or failed spectacular
Please just don't do it.
Backup, Install new, restore configs and data!
i see no problems doing this!
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adjust partition size/layout)
3) mount the old disk externally, and copy as needed.
4) when done, store the old disk in a safe, known spot for a
year.
ten years!
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4) when done, store the old disk in a safe, known spot for a
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to learn then that cosnumer grade disk do not start anymore after a one year
break?
just as "enterprise" disks, which are usually the same :)
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From time when i was still using linux i cannot remember a case that linux
dump utilities actually worked. tar was usable, gnu tar can do SOMEWHAT
like incremental backups too.
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012, Lynn Steven Killingsworth wrote:
Dear FreeBSD -
I have broken my ability to mount my storage d
Most probably all filesystems were used with defaults.
MAYBE softupdates, but not even sure for this. Compare this to linux which
is async-like. Comparing with UFS+async would be more fair.
Still - FreeBSD default MAXPHYS in param.h is far too low. i change it to
2048*1024 (default is 128*102
when properly configured FreeBSD is quite good.
if that company:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTExNDM
chose FreeBSD in spite of hype-overloaded linux it must be a reason.
As well as it seems they know what they are doing, storage configuration
is IMGO an example how suc
what i would like to see too is how these systems compare on such test:
- run lots of heavy disk I/O tests, many different in the same time,
including ones doing many writes to different places.
- turn off power while doing this, by unplugging from wall plug.
- compare amount of loss and dest
That said, I think that the Linux kernel performs better simply due to
wider adoption (larger developer base, wider set of use-cases, etc)
and thus a higher chance of getting performance improvements.
Note that stability matters too.
of course - this is what i pointed out at first.
the second
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It would be very interesting to see the results of stress-testing
sy
i have many windows images running over virtualbox. each takes several
gigabytes. i use flat image format.
each differs by very little.
Is there any program that can do "diff" and keep just a difference between
each of them instead copy of whole VM disk??
_
Der, someone over my shoulder highlights the fact that there's "bsdiff" and
"bspatch" in the base system for diffing/patching binary files.
great but not for comparing 3GB files with 4GB total RAM .
But your mileage may vary with such large files. Something from ports that's
already been re
same
/wbr
Ariel Burbaickij
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wrote:
i have many windows images running over virtualbox. each takes several
gigabytes. i use flat image format.
each differs by very little.
Is there any program that can do "diff" and keep just a difference
For YouTube, check out the port "youtube-dl". For most of everything
else, see http://github.com/monsieurvideo/get-flash-videos for
details.
xpi-unplug firefox plugin is useful too.
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AFAIK postgres is just unix processes nothing special compared to say ..
linux
On Sun, 1 Jul 2012, Iqbal Aroussi wrote:
Hi dear friends,
I'm trying to setup a master-slave replication with PostgreSQL 9.1 /
Slony-I, this is first time I'm doing it and I'm kind of lost :(
Is there any tutorial
to work for a lot of other sites. I just tested it for Dailymotion.
Thanks also for the get-flash-videos link which I am glad to study
in detail, including the git port I've now installed.
FreeBSD is a wonderful OS!
absolutely agree but to be clear, both youtube-dl and get-flash-videos
have n
link_eif symbol atm_event undefined
KLD if_en.ko: depends on utopia - not available or version mismatch.
I haven't found anything relevant on those through Google. if_en.ko os present
as is utopia.ko. I don't understand why the kernel would try to load if_en as
I don't have any of those devi
I think MODULES_OVERRIDE is for building only a few modules instead of a large
number of modules?
true. definitely works for me.
Alternatively, how can I prevent ulpt.ko from automatically loading when I
connect a USB printer (HP) that is supposed to work with ugen but not ulpt.
devd.con
I have no ATM interfaces so it shouldn't be loading to my way of thinking.
so check while this module is loading at all, no matter if it's
unsuccessull. FreeBSD is not random place like windows, everything
must have a reason.
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and xdm executes ~/.xession. In fact, I have a "cascade"
xdm file specified in xdm-config
default file Xsession try running ~/.xsession otherwise run other
defaults.
nothing is hardwired.
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the major difference between Hurd and FreeBSD is that FreeBSD actually
work.
http://pastehtml.com/view/c3kw80dyq.html - Does anyone know if FreeBSD core
developers left FreeBSD to work in Google? What will be the future of
FreeBSD and Google?
single man from FreeBSD is listed and other from
1083 root 1 210 99444K 11544K select 0 1:28 0.00% Xorg
doesn't take much, only 11.5MB is resident
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http://pastehtml.com/view/c3kw80dyq.html - Does anyone know if FreeBSD
Can someone post the content of that link.
I only see a stack of "This page was viewed " but no actual content.
http://pastehtml.com/raw/c3kw80dyq.html
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Can someone post the content of that link.
I only see a stack of "This page was viewed " but no actual content.
http://pastehtml.com/raw/c3kw80dyq.html
Same problem
really stupid service. even more st
pages not loading completely in Firefox 13.0.1,1.
the best solution is to not use that services like twitter, facebook and
just stay away from it so they will not hurt you.
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Thanks. Can anyone confirm Julian's password stealing script problem.
no idea but probably everything is possible with current style of how web
browsers work.
As for reading anything else than internal firefox data it is not possible
except very basic bug is there.
As for reading anything else than internal firefox data it is not possible
except very basic bug is there.
Yes otherwise all the flash sites would have gathered files from local disks.
true. javascript activity is sandboxed. But within that sandbox there are
million bugs.
i've already seen
1. You won't be able to build things from source on that
machine. Consider using packages for installation, or a
second system to build and export (via NFS) the data required.
You can but... too slow
3. For using your applications within the GUI, choose a
good window manager, e. g. FVWM or XFC
automatically start partitions at head boundaries? The reason I ask
is because I am most familiar with sector 64 being the start of a head
boundary as opposed to 63. Is my understanding incorrect?
yes. 63 is normal.
Anyway just don't make slices at all if your disk is dedicated to FreeBSD
Not had tme to pursued it though.
& I dont feel like exporting that data public
in case its already gone too far.
You don't have to export it at all.
Can you confirm the data within is the same as say the same
file in /etc or ~/.ssh? If that's really the case, it's a problem.
the real problem i
Anyway just don't make slices at all if your disk is dedicated to FreeBSD
Except for swap, right?
wrong.
i said slices (==DOS/Windoze MBR partitions), not disklabel
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I think Ryan means partition and not slice?
I would not recommend no slices at all, It's deprecated to use "dangerously
dedicated disks"
Starting with 9 I don't see slices in mount ouput anymore but still there are
FreeBSD partitions in slices (which is a partitions in dos terms)
Example / is
it without any problem. It _may_ be possible that some
systems like "Windows" have trouble with this approach,
what trouble? Windows doesn't probably see anything.
anyway i would not risk running windows with FreeBSD containing disk
connected at the same time anyway. it's always risky.
To O
Ah the FAQ
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/faq/disks.html#DANGEROUSLY-DEDICATED
I don't think it's dangerous either.
Thanks for your explanations.
While it's far simpler. Anyway i wasn't aware it's called that way as i
don't use installer
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disks. Maybe you get a
few kb of extra space. Don't do it.
because?
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Is there any performance advantage to using a "dedicated disk" layout
no. it is simplicity adventage, as well as (for SSD and 4K sector disks)
far easier to put partitions aligned.
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While it's far simpler. Anyway i wasn't aware it's called that way as i
don't use installer
As far as I know, the installer dropped dedicated mode some time
ago. So if you intendedly want to use it, you need to bypass the
installer and do the few simple steps using the CLI.
i already do this,
http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/faq/09.03.shtml
That is EXTREMELY old advice.
completely irrevelant now.
Why so many people blindly repeat some rules without understanding it.
Even years after that rule no longer matters.
The other example is creating lots of partitions.
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environment.
gpart(8) can create MBR slice/partition layouts (and GPT and other partition
schemes). See the man page. There is little reason to use fdisk and
bsdlabel any more.
i use only disklabel, no fdisk at all. i put partition start sector where
i want - no align problems.
I did no
I have heard, although I never personally saw it, a GUI for "gpart" I
heard that there exists one for Linux. Is there any comparable one for
FreeBSD and comparable with KDE?
no idea. If you want it with already installed system, try to compile
linux software.
Anyway i see no reason for such a s
What happened to the idea of "having a choice" ? If you want to keep
living in the 80's with a text based menu, go ahead, I prefer a click
not only me but anyone that wants productivity do live in 80's text based
interfaces or even 60-70's command line interfaces.
These are facts.
And partiti
Perhaps your English phrasing loses something in translation, but your
"opinions" are always presented in a way that you are correct and the rest of
the world is just wrong.
what you expect - to assume i am wrong and everyone else is right. if i
assume so i don't present such opinion natural
FreeBSD aurora-clone.Sisis.de 10.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #2 r235646M:
Thu Jul 5 09:38:00 UTC 2012
r...@aurora-clone.sisis.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386
$ df -k
Filesystem 1024-blocks UsedAvail Capacity Mounted on
/dev/ada0p274130588 25389436 4281070837%/
dev
Magdeburg, Germany
I have used gpart to partition a USB flash drive into FreeBSD boot partition,
root partition and swap partition.
making swap partition on USB pendrive is at least stupid. if you won't
swap at all - wasted space.
If you will it would be so slow and wear USB pendrive so quic
Interestingly enough, I searched through the man pages and FreeBSD help
but never came across anything that specifically addressed flash drive.
because there is no need to. For freebsd it is just a storage device.
for FreeBSD only i recommend using bsdlabel, not gpart, for multiOS using
fdisk
with using the commands provided by Warren, you will be fine
every time. If you practice them regularly, you will remember
them, and if you do so, you'll surely write a script that
after doing
man gpart
he will understand it, so remembering is easy.
am I suffering from too much use of bash and as such shouldnt expect it
to work?
maybe. i actually use bash for script.
banshee# for foo in 1 2 3 ; do echo $foo ; done
for: Command not found.
foo: Undefined variable.
banshee# echo 'for foo in 1 2 3; do echo $foo ; done' > bahh.sh
banshee# sh
banshee# for foo in 1 2 3 ; do echo $foo ; done
for: Command not found.
foo: Undefined variable.
banshee# echo 'for foo in 1 2 3; do echo $foo ; done' > bahh.sh
banshee# sh bahh.sh
1
2
3
banshee#
echo $SHELL
is it /bin/sh really?
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I know your question specified gpart, but the easiest way I know of to
put UFS filesystems on flash drives is to use sade(8), incorporating the
the easiest way to put UFS filesystem on flash drives is to ... put
UFS filesystem using newfs command.
You DO NOT NEED any partitioning.
_
3
banshee#
echo $SHELL
is it /bin/sh really?
Doh, yes that was it. Cant believe I forgot to check. I was running csh
for no good reason.
the reason is that it is default.
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In general they're not distinct in usage from any other type of disk.
The more expensive disks of course support TRIM so you'd want to pass -t to
newfs to enable it.
can you give me an example of pendrive that supports TRIM?
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On Sun, 8 Jul 2012, RW wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 20:52:50 +0200
Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
hello, world\n
is anybody else seeing this? On a fresh 9-STABLE/amd64 as of July 7,
with all ports compiled from scratch. Qbittorrent (2.9.11) freezes
after about 10 to 20 seconds, reacts to mouse click
seems like SSD style controller+USB 3.0 bridge. sizes suggest this.
thanks.
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On 08/07/2012 21:51, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
can you give me an example of pendrive that supports TRIM?
LaCie FastKey
(http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/usb-3.0-thumb-drive-flash
You don't. You wipe the FAT32 with fdisk and make a FreeBSD slice on it.
Then you can bsdlabel it with one partition and newfs it. Or you can
repeat 100 times more that you "have to" make fdisk and bsdlabel. you
don't, and it doesn't make sense
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