Re: corporate backers of freebsd
On Jan 2, 2008 4:56 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Smithe Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:11 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: corporate backers of freebsd Good Day All and Happy New Year, I'm not looking to incite anyone, but here comes a BSD vs Linux question. Yes, I tried searching the archives and found nothing. I used FreeBSD back in 2000 for a few firewalls, but due to certain influences I switched to Linux after a couple of years. I'm interested in getting back to the BSD's but have just one big concern. As most users Unix and it's clones, I prefer the free as in beer licensing model, but want to know that someone else is paying the big bills. In short, here's my question: Canonical, RedHat, IBM, Novell, and a slew of others are funding / supporting Linux development and pushing some of that development into the free community, so that all can benefit from full-time developers and the money that supports them. I've seen where Cisco and Juniper are using FreeBSD, and assuming there are other big names, do they directly fund or contribute to the community? Gary, FreeBSD USED TO HAVE a single large corporate sponsor. Walnut Creek. Well, while the upside of this is that you have a pot of money that can be used to fund advertising ventures, fund a position to act as the public face of the project, etc. the downside is that this ties the project to the fortunes of that big money pot. When Walnut Creek went downhill it caused a LOT of people who were using FreeBSD very much consternation. This is why today the project basically operates as a completely distributed project. You might as well ask who the corporate sponsor of the Gnutella network is. Nobody, and Everybody. Yet, that network carries billions of bytes of pirat... I mean, valuable video data, and is dependended on by many bootleggers.. I mean enterprenuers. ;-) People look at Linux and say how great it is that Linux has RedHat to make Linux look legitimate to the corporate world. They forget that as RedHat is a corporation, it is under a mandate to make a profit every year. Well, what happens if the day ever comes that RedHat starts losing money? Don't you think that people will suddenly start thinking that Linux has run out of steam? I do. There is no single corporation that is ever guarenteed to exist forever, last forever, and remain profitable forever. History is littered with large, rich companies that people once upon a time thought would never ever go out of business - yet they did anyway. By contrast, MOVEMENTS in history NEVER run out of steam. There are still, today, billions of people dumping billions of dollars every year into the Catholic Church - despite it's sordid history and current coverups of pedophiles - and that particular religious movement has been around more than 2000 years. We want to keep FreeBSD operating as a movement. As long as 1 person still believes and maintains it, it won't die. No matter how profitable or unprofitable it is to run. Ted Thank you all for the responses. I've tried to track down ways to contribute funds, as my programming skills are just above that of an intoxicated monkey. I found the FreeBSD foundation, which seems like the best place to start. I can't find, however, that any book, T-Shirt, or CD purchase from any vendor (including BSDmall) will send money back to the project. I understand there is value in evangelism from promoting FreeBSD via T-Shrits, stickers etc., as well as showing the profitability of books on BSD related topics to publishers (like No Starch). Have I missed an avenue of getting monetary support to FreeBSD? Thanks again. GS ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
corporate backers of freebsd
Good Day All and Happy New Year, I'm not looking to incite anyone, but here comes a BSD vs Linux question. Yes, I tried searching the archives and found nothing. I used FreeBSD back in 2000 for a few firewalls, but due to certain influences I switched to Linux after a couple of years. I'm interested in getting back to the BSD's but have just one big concern. As most users Unix and it's clones, I prefer the free as in beer licensing model, but want to know that someone else is paying the big bills. In short, here's my question: Canonical, RedHat, IBM, Novell, and a slew of others are funding / supporting Linux development and pushing some of that development into the free community, so that all can benefit from full-time developers and the money that supports them. I've seen where Cisco and Juniper are using FreeBSD, and assuming there are other big names, do they directly fund or contribute to the community? I guess my big concern is that I'd like for development to continue, with new features and hardware being supported. The best way for this to happen, IMHO, is for the developers to have full time jobs essentially devoted to FreeBSD and that some, if not most of that work is then sent back to the community. I'm not saying that I should contribute nothing, as I have contributed cash via CD's, T-Shirts, and other venues, but that doesn't provide nearly the revenue that a good corporate backer can. And just to throw more gasoline on the fire, I'll also assume that the BSD's are going strong and that there are no concerns of them suddenly disappearing if I make the change over. If you made it this far, thanks for your time in reading it. dg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Frequent loss of contact with ISP
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:12:31 +, Ned Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: Frequent loss of contact with ISP Date: Tuesday 22 March 2005 01:15 pm From: Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ned Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [My apologies to the moderator for the traffic, but I just unsubscribed, and I didn't want to leave this person hanging.] Ned Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 20 March 2005 09:55 pm, you wrote: Ned Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I reciently upgraded my home computer to FreeBSD 5.3 p5. Sense then I've had minor problems connecting to my ISP. During boot up it will sometimes freeze at the line, Configuring syscons: keymap blanktime. or I'll lose contact with my ISP while sending an email or surfing the web. From an earlier posting to this forum I found that Ctrl+C will let the system finishing the boot up. Then I can easily connect to my ISP by running /etc/netstart as root. Everything works fine at least for a while. However, sooner or later I'll lose the conection again. I have not been able to discern a pattern to the disconnects either. Yet as soon as I run netstart again everything works again. It can be hours before I the lose the connection or sometimes I'll lose the connection again within twenty minutes. I've searched for a permanent fix by looking throught this forum. But I havn't found anything yet. Though that might be because I don't quite know how to search! :-) I am a newbie using FreeBSD so any suggestions would be appreciated. Spend a little time in the /var/log directory and see if anything is being logged around the time you lose connection. Also, more clearly defining lose connection would help. What does ifconfig say when the connection is up and when it's down? The difference between those two outputs may lead you toward a solution. Thank you for the suggestions. I've scanned the log files and didn't see any unusual error messages. But that could be because I don't know what to look for. I've run FreeBSD for just about one year and had no Unix experience prior to that at all. I jumped from Windows, where somebody did everything for me to, FreeBSD where I have to figure things out on my own with only hints and suggestions. (Honestly, I find it funner this way!) I'll check to logs next time it goes down. I copied the results from ifconfig when everything is working to a file. As soon as I lose the connection I'll run ifconfig again. To get more defined regarding the loss of connection, it's almost as if I typed ipfw flush as root and cut myself down to the default deny everything rule. Sent emails will set unprocessed in the queue, when attempting to download e-mail, K-mail will return an unknown host error message, web browsers will either open to a blank white page or give me an invalid ULR error message. It even went down while viewing a video on Xine. The video just stopped, then I got an invalid host error message. As soon as I type /etc/netstart. Boom! everythings up an running as if nothing was ever wrong. I saw your other email as well, which shows that ifconfig during up/down is the same. That means that you're not losing your IP address, and the fact that /etc/netstart fixes the problem probably means it's not hardware related. So the next steps are to tear apart the networking system and figure out exactly which part of it is shutting off. First, do these: 1) Copy /etc/resolv.conf to your home dir: this contains your DNS server information. 2) Save the output of `netstat -rn` (use something like `netstat -rn /home/username/netstat.txt` This is your routing table. Now ... the next time it goes down, check: 1) Did /etc/resolv.conf change? 2) Did the output of `netstat -rn` change? 3) In the netstat output will be a line that starts with default, see if you can ping that IP address - if not, then the problem is probably with your switch/hub or other local network. 4) Try pinging 206.190.36.122 (that's the ip for story.news.yahoo.com), if it works, then the problem is likely with DNS. 5) if #4 works, try pinging story.news.yahoo.com ... if that fails, then DNS is almost certainly the problem, if that works, then the problem is somewhere in the network config, or application config. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com --- Thanks for the help. I believe you are correct in that it's probably not a hardware issue. I dual boot with Linux and I am having no problems connecting to the internet on that side. System didn't go down Wednesday, but it went down today. The output of netstat -rn didn't change. I tried to ping the IP address after the word default in line 3.
Re: more info again
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:30:40 -0500, Francis Whittington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll let you know how its going from time to time if thats ok. I have only one question about this. If I still want to use my wireless router as a switch.will it work? Thanks, Buddy It's usually no problem to use a wireless router as a wireless access point / switch. Just ignore the WAN port on the device. GS ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's an easy way to replace a drive?
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:09:24 +0100, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The continuing problems I'm having with my SATA drives seem to center on only one of the two drives, /dev/ad10, and since both drives are identical (Western Digital WD1200JD 120-GB SATA drives), this is a good indicator that the drive itself might be failing. So I've decided to spend $83 and buy a replacement drive to see if that fixes the problem. Now, what's the easiest way to replace the drive? The drive I want to replace contains only /var and /tmp. Are these mounted in single-user mode? I was thinking perhaps I can just replace the drive, set up identical slices on the new drive, then restore /var and /tmp from the latest backup. Can I restore from tape in single-user mode? I don't have any extra connectors to which I can attach this drive without removing one of the other drives, so I'm looking for a way to fix it up by just removing the old drive and putting in the new one, without the need to have both old and new drives online at the same time. -- Anthony May not be the best answer, but if the drive's data is still intact (i.e. readable) and the replacement will be identical, maybe try DD or similar from a bootable rescue cd, like freesbie? If not that, then you may be able to copy the data between the 2 drives using same said bootable CD after creating the partitions. It doesn't meet the requirements of not removing drives unnecessarily, but it's an option. My 1 1/2 cents. GS ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Accessing Windows XP Desktop (Home Edition) remotely
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:54:38 +0300, Odhiambo Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello dudes, I have this big curse that I have to access the office computer from home. The office PC runs WinXP Home, not Professional. I have turned the Internet upside-down trying to get an app that will enable me access the goddamn XP desktop, using something like krdesktop, from home. Something that can run on the Windows XP and provide me access to it's desktop from a FreeBSD box running KDE. I am sure there is something, but I just can't find it!! All pointers will be appreciated. -Wash I assume you have allowed (on the XP box) remote desktop connections (system properties) and the XP firewall is turned off. I've used rdesktop with win2000 systems just fine, so I'm guessing it's a setting on the XP box. If you can't get that to work, you can always try VNC. GS ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Accessing Windows XP Desktop (Home Edition) remotely
XP Home edition does not have Remote Desktop. XP Pro has. I am running the former. -Wash oops. missed the home part in the original post. sorry. Go with VNC. I'm not sure how it works cross-platform, but ultravnc has a file transfer option where it can send files over the vnc ports. GS ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anthony's drive issues.Re: ssh password delay
[SNIP] Haven't you ever used Knoppix? It's liveboot. This machine won't boot from a CD. [SNIP] Anthony I don't really like adding trivial stuff to an already long thread, but... with Knoppix, you can make floppies to boot from (they're on the cd) and it will load the kernel and search for the CD in the cd-drives it finds. I've had to use it on some Pentium 2 PCs before. Not saying that you should, just that you can (with any luck). GS ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh password delay
I have done quite a bit of googling and I realize that the problem likely has something to do with reverse DNS lookups. But, I don't know how to pinpoint the problem from there. I've basically been playing with the /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts settings. In my hosts file, I have an entry for the private IP of my Linux box with its hostname (which is not a FQDN) and my resolv.conf file looks like: domain myrealdomain.com //I just added this, but no noticeable help search myrealdomain.com nameserver my.ip's.dns.numbers nameserver my.ip's.dns.numbers2 [SNIP] TIA, backdoc If that is your resolv.conf, then that explains some things. Your box is looking at the ISP for name resolution and the ISP has no idea (nor could care) what your internal LAN address space is. Change the resolv.conf to look at itself (127.0.0.1) and setup BIND with some simple DNS and RDNS records. You could use pretty much any box on your network for DNS, but the key is that it has to know about the internal space. GS ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: more info (was Just finished Install)
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:05:05 -0500 (EST), Chris Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Francis Whittington wrote: Sorry if I wasn't clear on my hookup to the internet. (WLAN | to daughterXP cable DI-524 modemwirelessMain router XPbox |_bsd box Hi Francis, I'm cc'ing the list because that's the etiquette here; hope that's OK with you. The idea is that others might benefit from reading the discussion. Hope that shows it better.The router connects to the modem. All other connections are through router. Daughter's XP box is on the wireless LAN. my XP box and BSD box are hardwired to router. Your diagram got a bit mangled in the email, but I get the idea. Yes I did use a crossover cable to bsd box because it said router was Auto-MDI/MDI-X. Meaning you can use either straight through or crossover. That would be in windows though I guess. That auto business is a function of the hardware; it shouldn't matter what OS is running on it. If you get a link light, the wiring is good (usually). But technically one should use a straight-thru cable from a computer to a router, so it might be worth trying. So I gess I could try changing that. I did a ping www.goggle.com , so that is the same as being able to ping router (192.168.0.1).right? Not really, but if you can get through to the internet then the router connection is OK. I mean its getting to internet , just not seeing network. Let me add that i can ping bsd box (192.168.0.102) from main WinXP box, but I cannot ping daughter's XP box on the wireless LAN. She is the only one thats on the WLAN. Now...I can ping the routerand the bsd box from her XP box, but I can't ping the main XP box. So a pingability table might look like this: To FromBSD XP daughter router BSD -nono yes XP yes - ?? daughter yes ? -yes So basically, everyone is on the internet, but the local network at home is a mess. Bizarre. In your other email you said in part ifconfig -a shows that rl0: inet 192.168.0.102 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 Okay, now to winXP box: ipconfig /all gives us: Ethernet local Area: ip addy..192.168.0.100 subnet mask...255.255.255.0 default gateway...192.168.0.1 dhcp server...192.168.0.1 DNS servers...192.168.0.1 and gives the lease dates and all. ...which all looks OK: non-conflicting IPs, same netmask. So other than the possible cable issue mentioned above, about all I can think of is that maybe you have an IP address conflict after all. I notice you gave the BSD box a .102 IP - are you sure the DHCP server didn't also assign that IP to your daughter's machine? Check the D-Link's configuration using its web interface, and see what range of addresses it's set up to hand out. It would be a good idea to give your BSD box an address which is not in that range. HTH. -- Chris Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** [ Busy Expunging | ] ___ Assuming all PCs have Internet access and are in the same address space, then I would look at a software firewall problem. That is, if pinging the XP boxes is a symptom, then I would check to see if there is a software firewall on them (Windows, Norton, McAfee, etc...) GS GS ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NIC won't DHCP or configure
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:54:24 -0800, Andrew Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello FreeBSD community, I'm trying to get my network card working under 5.3 Release. It won't DHCP. Configuring it using ifconfig doesn't permit any connection. (I also tried the February Stable, with no change as far as I can tell). WinXP identifies the NIC as Realtek RTL8169/8110 Family Gigabit Ethernet NIC. Knoppix and WinXP both provide drivers that seem to work. Knoppix autodetects it without any (seeming) problem. My FreeBSD kernel is generic, and both the following lines are uncommented: device miibus # MII bus support device re # RealTek 8139C+/8169/8169S/8110S The output from ifconfig is: fwe0: flags=108802BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 options=8VLAN_MTU ether 02:90:f5:40:24:d8 ch 1 dma -1 plip0: flags=108810POINTOPOINT,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 and what I think is the relevant part of dmesg is: firewire0: IEEE1394(FireWire) bus on fwohci0 fwe0: Ethernet over FireWire on firewire0 if_fwe0: Fake Ethernet address: 02:90:f5:40:24:d8 fwe0: Ethernet address: 02:90:f5:40:24:d8 fwe0: if_start running deferred for Giant It makes me wonder if FreeBSD is identifying the card as something different than it is. Is that possible? What next steps might be useful for me to take? Thanks much! Andrew My advice, try a different network switch / hub. Read on to find out why. Trying to do the poor man's Norton Ghost at a local school for a WinXP lab (using dd over ssh), I had some stupid issues. The NIC in question was an onboard SiS 900. Here's what I had using various live-cd distros: winxp (installed) - i got an IP address knoppix and DSL (both debian) - I got an IP address System Rescue CD (gentoo) - no address g4u and obsd live cd (obsd) - no address (never did try fbsd, but obsd is fairly close) When I moved a sample PC closer to the DHCP server, every distro above got an address. The lab has an older d-link 24 port switch. There are 4 switches total between the lab and the dhcp server. When I moved the PC, it was then connected to a netgear 5-port 100mb switch, still about 4 switches away from the dhcp server. I tried setting an address with ifconfig for each of the failing distros, with no success. I vaguely remember getting some weird issues reagarding the PHY in obsd... I have no idea what the cause is (just discovered this last week), but am strongly suspicious of the d-link switch. I'm going to replace it (assuming funds are available) soon. Just thought I'd pass it on, in case it helps. GS ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
