Re: freebsd-update(8) under sparc64? Why is it not available?

2010-03-24 Thread Marius Strobl
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 02:57:09AM -0500, Mark Linimon wrote: You're the first one to ask in a while. Since our userbase is small, and developer time is limited, we've never set it up. The last time this topic came up IMO there was quite some interest in getting this running but the

Why I can't enable compositing option in KDE4?

2010-02-17 Thread Yuri
I have the latest NVidia driver and the card is 9400GT. In Configure Window Behavior screen I first check Enable desktop effects. Then it says that Compositing is temporarily disabled. When I click Resume Compositing sometimes nothing happens at all. But sometimes after few clicks it says

Why lsof shows the file as open and fstat doesn't ?

2010-02-15 Thread Yuri
/tmp/dbus-iQmkLjgxD6 ibus-daem 48407 yuri 12uunix 0xc95896700t0 /tmp/dbus-iQmkLjgxD6 But when I run fstat /tmp/dbus-iQmkLjgxD6 it doesn't return anything, like this file isn't open at all. Why there is such discrepancy? Yuri

Re : Why Linux Firefox doesn't play flash movies?

2010-02-15 Thread Alexandre L.
: Yuri y...@rawbw.com Objet: Why Linux Firefox doesn't play flash movies? À: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Lundi 15 Février 2010, 2h58 In order to enable Flash I installed linux-firefox-devel-3.5.7 and linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r45. They together pulled whole lot of other ports, see list

Re: Why Linux Firefox doesn't play flash movies?

2010-02-15 Thread Bruce Cran
On Monday 15 February 2010 13:53:27 Alexandre L. wrote: I can play Youtube movies using Firefox 3.5.x or Firefox 3.6, and linux-f10-flashplugin10 10.0r45. I followed the tutorial : http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=5786 There are also good instructions at

Why does soft link in /var/log disappear?

2010-02-15 Thread John Almberg
I didn't make my /var partition big enough, way back when, and have had to move my /var/log/www directory to another partition. I did this by moving the directory, and then adding a soft link from /var/log to the moved directory, using something like: ln -s /home/wwwlog /var/log/www This

Re: Why lsof shows the file as open and fstat doesn't ?

2010-02-15 Thread Dan Nelson
0xc9589670 0t0 /tmp/dbus-iQmkLjgxD6 But when I run fstat /tmp/dbus-iQmkLjgxD6 it doesn't return anything, like this file isn't open at all. Why there is such discrepancy? It looks like fstat doesn't work on unix sockets at all; I tried on /tmp/mysql.sock and some X11 sockets. -- Dan

Re: Why does soft link in /var/log disappear?

2010-02-15 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 09:46:09AM -0500, John Almberg wrote: I didn't make my /var partition big enough, way back when, and have had to move my /var/log/www directory to another partition. I did this by moving the directory, and then adding a soft link from /var/log to the moved

Re: Why does soft link in /var/log disappear?

2010-02-15 Thread Lowell Gilbert
John Almberg jalmb...@identry.com writes: I didn't make my /var partition big enough, way back when, and have had to move my /var/log/www directory to another partition. I did this by moving the directory, and then adding a soft link from /var/log to the moved directory, using something

Re: Why lsof shows the file as open and fstat doesn't ?

2010-02-15 Thread Anthony M. Rasat
Yuri wrote: But when I run fstat /tmp/dbus-iQmkLjgxD6 it doesn't return anything, like this file isn't open at all. I'm not sure that this will answer your question but bear with me. Usually I use lsof to list any listening TCP or UDP ports, with following command: lsof -P -i -n The result

Re: Why lsof shows the file as open and fstat doesn't ?

2010-02-15 Thread Yuri
Dan Nelson wrote: It looks like fstat doesn't work on unix sockets at all; I tried on /tmp/mysql.sock and some X11 sockets. I filed a PR: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=143962 Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Why Linux Firefox doesn't play flash movies?

2010-02-14 Thread Yuri
In order to enable Flash I installed linux-firefox-devel-3.5.7 and linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r45. They together pulled whole lot of other ports, see list below. But flash still doesn't work: youtube.com shows black windows instead. I tried windows firefox under wine, but it has a lot of

why update...

2010-02-06 Thread ajtiM
to rebuilt qt33 and arts (not just me) and the problem became a BIG problem because many other applications don't work. Why all of this rush for update a port in this case jpeg which IMO is not so important (BTW Linux world use K3b for KDE 4 more than six months without problem, we don't) and update

Re: why update...

2010-02-06 Thread b. f.
qt33 and arts (not just me) and the problem became a BIG problem because many other applications don't work. Why all of this rush for update a port in this case jpeg which IMO is not so important (BTW Linux world use K3b for KDE 4 more than six months without problem, we don't) and update for QT33

Re: [audio] Why pcm audio signal can't be read back through pcm channel?

2010-01-20 Thread WATANABE Kazuhiro
channel. This used to work before. I look at mixer -- all channels are open. Why pcm doesn't get sent back? Is there something wrong with mixer? snd_es137x.ko is used: pcm0: AudioPCI ES1370 port 0xec00-0xec3f irq 17 at device 1.0 on pci8 pcm0: es1370_wrcodec: timed out pcm0: es1370_wrcodec

[audio] Why pcm audio signal can't be read back through pcm channel?

2010-01-15 Thread Yuri
I noticed that I can't record sound that comes from pcm channel. For example audacity only records my voice coming from mic, but doesn't record other person's voice that skype sends into pcm channel. This used to work before. I look at mixer -- all channels are open. Why pcm doesn't get sent

Re: pf headaches: why won' t it let me fetch from ftp servers?

2010-01-08 Thread Morgan Wesström
Dino Vliet wrote: Dear freebsd list, I have the following pf.conf file: tcp_services = { ftp, ssh, domain, www, auth, https } udp_services = { ftp, domain, ntp } icmp_types = echoreq block all pass inet proto icmp all icmp-type $icmp_types keep state #pass in proto tcp to any port 22

Why scim language prompt isn't shown from QT applications?

2010-01-08 Thread Yuri
I have these scim-related ports installed: linux-f10-scim-gtk-1.4.7 Smart Common Input Method platform, gtk module, (Linux Fedo linux-f10-scim-libs-1.4.7 Smart Common Input Method libraries (Linux Fedora 10) linux-scim-gtk-fc4-1.4.4_2 Smart Common Input Method platform, gtk module, Linux binar

pf headaches: why won' t it let me fetch from ftp servers?

2010-01-07 Thread Dino Vliet
Dear freebsd list, I have the following pf.conf file: tcp_services = { ftp, ssh, domain, www, auth, https } udp_services = { ftp, domain, ntp } icmp_types = echoreq block all pass inet proto icmp all icmp-type $icmp_types keep state #pass in proto tcp to any port 22 keep state pass out proto tcp

Re: pf headaches: why won' t it let me fetch from ftp servers?

2010-01-07 Thread Ben Schumacher
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Dino Vliet dino_vl...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear freebsd list, I have the following pf.conf file: tcp_services = { ftp, ssh, domain, www, auth, https } udp_services = { ftp, domain, ntp } icmp_types   = echoreq block all pass inet proto icmp all icmp-type

RE: pf headaches: why won' t it let me fetch from ftp servers?

2010-01-07 Thread Gary Gatten
-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Dino Vliet Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 3:39 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: pf headaches: why won' t it let me fetch from ftp servers? Dear freebsd list, I have the following pf.conf file: tcp_services = { ftp, ssh, domain, www, auth, https

Why VNC server crashes when client disconnects?

2009-12-16 Thread Yuri
I used vnc while ago without this problem. Now I see that when client gracefully exits (window close) server crashes with exception: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'rdr::EndOfStream' knotify: Fatal IO error: client killed kwin: Fatal IO error: client killed ksmserver: Fatal IO

Why /usr/ports/UPDATING and /usr/src/UPDATING files are needed?

2009-12-12 Thread Yuri
When I am in FreeBSD I have to be always aware that I have to check these files before upgrading the system. And I need to do some custom things myself. When I am in Ubuntu apt-get just does everything by itself without manual intervention. Why FreeBSD doesn't automate things

Re: Why do I need a bunch of mappings for ld-elf.so in FreeBSD 8?

2009-12-08 Thread Ruben de Groot
On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 05:35:47PM -0800, Paul Hoffman typed: Greetings. I upgraded a 7.2 system to 8.0 using 'freebsd-update install'. At some time during the process, I could no longer log in remotely because bash could not start due to /libexec/ld-elf.so not finding the right libraries. I

Re: Why do I need a bunch of mappings for ld-elf.so in FreeBSD 8?

2009-12-08 Thread Odhiambo Washington
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Paul Hoffman phoff...@proper.com wrote: Greetings. I upgraded a 7.2 system to 8.0 using 'freebsd-update install'. At some time during the process, I could no longer log in remotely because bash could not start due to /libexec/ld-elf.so not finding the right

Re: Why do I need a bunch of mappings for ld-elf.so in FreeBSD 8?

2009-12-08 Thread Ruben de Groot
On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 01:45:59PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington typed: There is always this instruction that you need to recompile all installed ports, which I think you did not do. That instruction makes me sick, given the time it would take on a critical server. That's why you don't do

Re: Why do I need a bunch of mappings for ld-elf.so in FreeBSD 8?

2009-12-08 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 11:05 AM +0100 12/8/09, Ruben de Groot wrote: On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 05:35:47PM -0800, Paul Hoffman typed: Greetings. I upgraded a 7.2 system to 8.0 using 'freebsd-update install'. At some time during the process, I could no longer log ... ...snip... ... t remove the lines from

Why do I need a bunch of mappings for ld-elf.so in FreeBSD 8?

2009-12-07 Thread Paul Hoffman
Greetings. I upgraded a 7.2 system to 8.0 using 'freebsd-update install'. At some time during the process, I could no longer log in remotely because bash could not start due to /libexec/ld-elf.so not finding the right libraries. I added a bunch of lines to /etc/libmap.conf so that I could

Re: Why LANG variable doesn't change the language?

2009-12-03 Thread Yuri
Boris Samorodov wrote: Please show an output for: % pkg_info -Ix firefox firefox-3.5.5,1 Web browser based on the browser portion of Mozilla firefox3-i18n-3.0.15 Localized interface for Firefox3 It works at FreeBSD. It's a firefox question either use it or not. On Ubuntu language

Re: Why LANG variable doesn't change the language?

2009-12-03 Thread Boris Samorodov
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:08:19 -0800 Yuri wrote: Boris Samorodov wrote: Please show an output for: % pkg_info -Ix firefox firefox-3.5.5,1 Web browser based on the browser portion of Mozilla firefox3-i18n-3.0.15 Localized interface for Firefox3 Delete firefox3-i18n package

Re: Why LANG variable doesn't change the language?

2009-12-03 Thread Yuri
Boris Samorodov wrote: Delete firefox3-i18n package (www/firefox3-i18n port) and install firefox35-i18n package (www/firefox35-i18n port). This works. Thanks! But still LANG variable isn't used. Instead there is a FF-specific way: through Tools-Quick Locale Switcher menu. Not clear why

Re: Why LANG variable doesn't change the language?

2009-12-03 Thread Boris Samorodov
-specific way: through Tools-Quick Locale Switcher menu. Not clear why this is dependent on the OS (in Linux it's still LANG variable). Maybe it's the option of FF build process that was chosen differently. You may ask this at the freebsd-gecko@ (maintainer) mailing list. -- WBR, Boris Samorodov

Re: Why there are so many binary packages missing?

2009-12-02 Thread Polytropon
Allow me an addition, primarily involving your item #1, licensing restriction, extended to possible legal restrictions: Some ports, especially from the multimedia category, allow many build-time options that determine what to include in the final program, mostly used for codecs and file formats.

Re: Why there are so many binary packages missing?

2009-12-02 Thread Lowell Gilbert
strange: on my system all of the ports that I need build ok. Why would the port build successfully, but would fail to generate a binary package? Isn't packaging just gzipping resulting binaries with some minor additions? Pretty much. There are some ports, like the example given, which can

Why LANG variable doesn't change the language?

2009-12-02 Thread Yuri
I am running (under bash): LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8 opera and all menu items are still in English. Same with firefox3. Why LANG isn't switched by LANG variable? Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Why LANG variable doesn't change the language?

2009-12-02 Thread daniele
/firefox35-i18n/pkg-descr has opera for freebsd been internationalized ? daniele Yuri wrote: I am running (under bash): LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8 opera and all menu items are still in English. Same with firefox3. Why LANG isn't switched by LANG variable? Yuri

Re: Why LANG variable doesn't change the language?

2009-12-02 Thread Yuri
daniele wrote: Hi ! I think that firefox needs its language pack to be installed the usual way: THis is the __language pack package description__ for firefox3 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/www/firefox3-i18n/pkg-descr And this is for firefox35

Re: Why LANG variable doesn't change the language?

2009-12-02 Thread Yuri
lets you to change locale. But this locale doesn't change menus either. It's not clear why good old LANG variable doesn't work in FreeBSD any more. Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd

Re: Why LANG variable doesn't change the language?

2009-12-02 Thread Boris Samorodov
item got Quick Locale Switcher menu which lets you to change locale. But this locale doesn't change menus either. Please show an output for: % pkg_info -Ix firefox It's not clear why good old LANG variable doesn't work in FreeBSD any more. It works at FreeBSD. It's a firefox question either use

Why there are so many binary packages missing?

2009-12-01 Thread Yuri
I am seeing this for a long time. If I use 'portupgrade -aPP' (packages only) there is a very large percentage of packages missing. Upgrading becomes many times faster when binary packages available are available. Yuri ___

Re: Why there are so many binary packages missing?

2009-12-01 Thread Matthew Seaman
Yuri wrote: I am seeing this for a long time. If I use 'portupgrade -aPP' (packages only) there is a very large percentage of packages missing. Upgrading becomes many times faster when binary packages available are available. Missing binary packages are due in the main to three reasons: *

Re: Why there are so many binary packages missing?

2009-12-01 Thread Yuri
binary packages, any lower level port that fails will prevent packages being built for anything that depends on it. Thank you for this information. Let's put aside #1. There are probably very few of those. It still seems strange: on my system all of the ports that I need build ok. Why

Re: Why there are so many binary packages missing?

2009-12-01 Thread RW
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:47:35 -0800 Yuri y...@rawbw.com wrote: I am seeing this for a long time. If I use 'portupgrade -aPP' (packages only) there is a very large percentage of packages missing. Upgrading becomes many times faster when binary packages available are available. Presumably it's

Re: Why I am getting message: wlan0: ieee80211_new_state_locked: pending SCAN - RUN transition lost in 8.0 with ndis driver?

2009-11-30 Thread Paul B Mahol
On 11/30/09, Yuri y...@rawbw.com wrote: After upgrading to 8.0 I am getting a new message: wlan0: /ieee80211_new_state_locked: pending SCAN/ - RUN transition lost. I use ndis driver with Broadcom WiFi card BCM94312MCGSG. That is debug message temporarely enabled unconditionally and then

Why I am getting message: wlan0: ieee80211_new_state_locked: pending SCAN - RUN transition lost in 8.0 with ndis driver?

2009-11-29 Thread Yuri
After upgrading to 8.0 I am getting a new message: wlan0: /ieee80211_new_state_locked: pending SCAN/ - RUN transition lost. I use ndis driver with Broadcom WiFi card BCM94312MCGSG. Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Why my Firefox doesn't display Cyrillic fonts well?

2009-11-28 Thread S4mmael
webfont works well. You can also install ttf fonts from windows.Or use Ubuntu). 2009/11/28 Yuri y...@rawbw.com: Boris Samorodov wrote: Install x11-fonts/webfonts and do apropriate changes to xorg.conf. I have webfonts right after misc fonts at xorg.conf. That always gave me good results.

Re: Why my Firefox doesn't display Cyrillic fonts well?

2009-11-28 Thread Yuri
S4mmael wrote: webfont works well. You can also install ttf fonts from windows.Or use Ubuntu). webfonts is installed on my system and doesn't work in ff, as I mentioned before. My question is why ff shows Cyrillic so poorly, as opposed opera on the same system, and you didn't answer

Re: Why my Firefox doesn't display Cyrillic fonts well?

2009-11-27 Thread Yuri
Boris Samorodov wrote: Install x11-fonts/webfonts and do apropriate changes to xorg.conf. I have webfonts right after misc fonts at xorg.conf. That always gave me good results. I placed 'webfonts' into xorg.conf after 'misc' but firefox still shows Cyrillic texts in a messed up way. Also

Re: Why in f10 scim doesn't work from skype?

2009-11-25 Thread Boris Samorodov
Yuri y...@rawbw.com writes: When I switched from fc6 to f10 scim stopped working in skype. It shows the prompt but only English language is available. In fc6 scim worked fine from skype. Aha, this time you gave some additional info which may be helpful. I believe scim picks up environment

Why in f10 scim doesn't work from skype?

2009-11-23 Thread Yuri
When I switched from fc6 to f10 scim stopped working in skype. It shows the prompt but only English language is available. In fc6 scim worked fine from skype. I believe scim picks up environment variables: LANG, XMODIFIERS, QT_IM_MODULE, XIM, XIM_PROGRAM and displays languages based on them.

Re: Why in f10 scim doesn't work from skype?

2009-11-23 Thread Matthew Seaman
Yuri wrote: How can I know the current environment variables of the running process? Anyone has a solution for this problem? Checkout the ps(1) man page. The '-e' flag will cause the environment of each listed process to be printed out. eg: % ps -ew -p $$ PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND

Re: Why in f10 scim doesn't work from skype?

2009-11-23 Thread Yuri
Matthew Seaman wrote: % ps -ew -p $$ Thanks, I got the environment. And it looks the same. But scim shows only English options in it's box. Anyone knows why would it not show all languages? Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: How can I rescue my passwd file after corrupting it (and why does it still work) ?

2009-11-22 Thread Matthew Seaman
the end. So a LOT of user accounts are gone. BUT, all of those missing accounts still work. So ... 1) why do all of the accounts that are missing from both passwd and master.passwd continue to work properly (they can authenticate and log in over SSH and so on) ? 2) how can I get back

Re: How can I rescue my passwd file after corrupting it (and why does it still work) ?

2009-11-22 Thread Ruben de Groot
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 08:14:00AM +, Matthew Seaman typed: % pw user show -n matthew matthew:*:1001:1001::0:0:Matthew Seaman:/home/matthew:/bin/tcsh prints out the master.passwd entry for the user account but *without* the password crypt-text. You can use: % pw user show -a

How can I rescue my passwd file after corrupting it (and why does it still work) ?

2009-11-21 Thread George Sanders
of user accounts are gone. BUT, all of those missing accounts still work. So ... 1) why do all of the accounts that are missing from both passwd and master.passwd continue to work properly (they can authenticate and log in over SSH and so on) ? 2) how can I get back to healthy ? I suspect

Re: Why trying to create file on ntfs-mounted directory always causes No such file or directory error?

2009-11-03 Thread Rob Hurle
Hi Yuri, You wrote: I have r/w mounted ntfs. And 'touch x' there produces an error. Why would this be? I've had this too. The standard ntfs does not allow rw on the file system. You have to install fuse-ntfs from /usr/ports/sysutils (please check this on your system - I do not have

Why trying to create file on ntfs-mounted directory always causes No such file or directory error?

2009-11-03 Thread Yuri
I have r/w mounted ntfs. And 'touch x' there produces an error. Why would this be? 8.0-RC2 Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd

Why after packages update my 'startx' gives me a message: Protocol not supported by server.

2009-11-01 Thread Yuri
It keeps repeating this line in original terminal, putting line .. in between. So it looks like this: Protocol not supported by server. .. Protocol not supported by server. .. Protocol not supported by server. .. goes on like this Now I have to start just 'Xorg', it starts bare X. And from

Re: Why after packages update my 'startx' gives me a message: Protocol not supported by server.

2009-11-01 Thread Michael Powell
Yuri wrote: It keeps repeating this line in original terminal, putting line .. in between. So it looks like this: Protocol not supported by server. .. Protocol not supported by server. .. Protocol not supported by server. .. goes on like this Now I have to start just 'Xorg', it starts

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-31 Thread Chris Rees
2009/10/29 Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com: On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Ruben de Groot wrote: sendmail is NOT a legacy application. It's actively being developed ON FreeBSD. Actually, the maintainer(s) are doing a great job Bullshit. Why does sendmail call up the internet during boot

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-30 Thread Jonathan McKeown
On Thursday 29 October 2009 21:58:54 Lars Eighner wrote: On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Ruben de Groot wrote: sendmail is NOT a legacy application. It's actively being developed ON FreeBSD. Actually, the maintainer(s) are doing a great job Bullshit. Why does sendmail call up the internet during

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-30 Thread Ian Smith
, the maintainer(s) are doing a great job Bullshit. :) IYNSHO. Why does sendmail call up the internet during boot? If it needs to know who it is, why can't it look in hosts? See the section: WHO AM I? in /usr/src/contrib/sendmail/cf/README (assuming you haven't deleted the documentation from

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-30 Thread Randi Harper
MAKE THE PAIN STOP. Seriously, read back in the friggin' mailing list archives. None of y'all are going to say anything that hasn't been said before. Or don't, and just prove how valuable your time isn't by wasting it arguing about something that everyone else is just rolling their eyes at and

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-30 Thread Lars Eighner
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, Ian Smith wrote: Why does sendmail call up the internet during boot? If it needs to know who it is, why can't it look in hosts? See the section: WHO AM I? in /usr/src/contrib/sendmail/cf/README (assuming you haven't deleted the documentation from your system) Or did

Why do I get errors from mountd (can't change attributes for ... bad exports list line ...) ?

2009-10-30 Thread Yuri
[4243]: bad exports list line /usr/home -network Here is my /etc/exports: /usr/diskless -alldirs -maproot=root -ro -network=10.0.0 -mask=255.0.0.0 /usr/local -maproot=root -ro -network=10.0.0 -mask=255.0.0.0 /usr/home -maproot=root -network=10.0.0 -mask=255.0.0.0 What's wrong? Also why messages

Re: Why do I get errors from mountd (can't change attributes for ... bad exports list line ...) ?

2009-10-30 Thread Chuck Swiger
=10.0.0 -mask=255.0.0.0 What's wrong? Also why messages are so cryptic? Which attributes? Why bad exports list line? If it would explain in messages what's wrong I wouldn't even be asking question here. For one thing, the second line should be: /usr/local -maproot=root,ro -network

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-30 Thread Brett Glass
At 02:50 AM 10/30/2009, Randi Harper wrote: This bikeshed is old and tired. I don't want to paint it. I want to drown it in lighter fluid and set it on fire. I've never seen a bike shed. Unless perhaps it had a furry seat cover. --Brett Glass ___

Re: Why do I get errors from mountd (can't change attributes for ... bad exports list line ...) ?

2009-10-30 Thread Yuri
Chuck Swiger wrote: For one thing, the second line should be: /usr/local -maproot=root,ro -network=10.0.0 -mask=255.0.0.0 For another, you are only supposed to export a given filesystem once; the notion of exporting it multiple times means you are changing the values of the previous

Re: Why do I get errors from mountd (can't change attributes for ... bad exports list line ...) ?

2009-10-30 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Oct 30, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Yuri wrote: The workaround suggested in this PR eliminates the messages, but causes client to get Permission denied message Because the modified mount points are for different nets. Assuming /usr/diskless, /usr/local, and /usr/home are all on the same / usr

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-29 Thread Erik Norgaard
pete wright wrote: On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: FreeBSD: ? I can't think of a good reason why FreeBSD should get rid of it. Saying that, it would be neat if it was taken out of base and replaced with something minimal that could cope with the demands

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-29 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:49:40 +0100, Erik Norgaard norga...@locolomo.org wrote: But, do we actually need an MTA in the base? The only arguments I have seen in this thread are: - because it's been there since the beginning of history - because cron requires it to send the daily reports For

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-29 Thread Erik Norgaard
Giorgos Keramidas wrote: So Sendmail is a pretty heavy-weight program, but it also supports a lot of features. Which was the point, if the only process in base that requires some way to dump output other than send to syslog, is cron, then Sendmail is disproportionate solution for the

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-29 Thread Ruben de Groot
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 06:55:20PM +0100, Erik Norgaard typed: Giorgos Keramidas wrote: I don't argue for a replacement but for the elimination. Install a port if you need an MTA, you're happy with that way for so many other standard services. Isn't this going a little too far? What other

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-29 Thread RW
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:08:24 +0200 Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr wrote: What is nice about Sendmail today is that with minimal changes to a base FreeBSD installation (the rc.conf(5) variable called sendmail_enable and a SMART_HOST value in sendmail.mc) one can quickly get up and

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-29 Thread Lars Eighner
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Ruben de Groot wrote: sendmail is NOT a legacy application. It's actively being developed ON FreeBSD. Actually, the maintainer(s) are doing a great job Bullshit. Why does sendmail call up the internet during boot? If it needs to know who it is, why can't it look

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-29 Thread Gary Kline
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 06:34:35PM +, RW wrote: On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:08:24 +0200 Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr wrote: What is nice about Sendmail today is that with minimal changes to a base FreeBSD installation (the rc.conf(5) variable called sendmail_enable and a

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-29 Thread Erik Norgaard
to go the linux way: just a kernel and the rest in packages? I like a complete OS. That's the key to the discussion, when is the OS complete? I could do without Sendmail, FTP daemon and NIS. Or the other way, why is there no http daemon in base, or no ldap? There really is no right answer

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-29 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:34:35 +, RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:08:24 +0200 Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr wrote: What is nice about Sendmail today is that with minimal changes to a base FreeBSD installation (the rc.conf(5) variable called

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-29 Thread RW
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:39:49 +0200 Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr wrote: On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:34:35 +, RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:08:24 +0200 Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr wrote: What is nice about Sendmail today is that with

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-29 Thread Rich Kulawiec
Having used sendmail since (quite nearly) the day it was released, and having also spent considerable time with postfix, exim, etc. in a variety of environments both small and quite large, I think I'm in a position to address this. Sendmail remains one of the best choices for an MTA. It's quite

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-28 Thread Scott Bennett
or perhaps even 4.0cBSD), whereas the rest were not and have not been. 5) Not telling the OP why has FreeBSD has left so many historical reason behind to persuit new goals but retained Sendmail as the default MTA for historical reasons. Sorry .. but that's the way it goes every time someone

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-28 Thread Bernt Hansson
personal profit I cannot see why people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. Really, let's go past this one more time: Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn m4! Did you look at the link he offered? How helpful is that? Beside which, m4 is a PORT

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-28 Thread Bernt Hansson
personal profit I cannot see why people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. Really, let's go past this one more time: Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn m4! Did you look at the link he offered? How helpful is that? Beside which, m4 is a PORT

m4 (was Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?)

2009-10-28 Thread Lowell Gilbert
personal profit I cannot see why people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. Really, let's go past this one more time: Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn m4! Did you look at the link he offered? How helpful is that? Beside which, m4 is a PORT

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-28 Thread Michael Powell
he can replace the default MTA 3) telling the OP he can remove given MTA from base 4) telling the OP about historical reason 5) Not telling the OP why has FreeBSD has left so many historical reason behind to persuit new goals but retained Sendmail as the default MTA for historical reasons

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-28 Thread Walter Venable
it necessary to learn yet another scripting language to configure it.  Other than personal profit I cannot see why people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar.  Really, let's go past this one more time: Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn m4! Did

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-28 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 02:14:17AM +, Frank Shute wrote: I'll speculate as to the reasons: NetBSD: probably wanted something smaller footprint-wise. OpenBSD: wanted something more secure. Those both sound like great reasons. Dragonfly: started afresh, so could replace it without

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-28 Thread Gonzalo Nemmi
replace it without many headaches. By all means no .. not at all .. they didn't even started afresh .. Anyways .. You'll find the reasons here: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/kernel/2007-03/msg00060.html Hey, again and again people are complaining about why sendmail is in base and why

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-28 Thread Frank Shute
://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/kernel/2007-03/msg00060.html Hey, again and again people are complaining about why sendmail is in base and why not postfix, etc. We keep saying that we do need a mail delivery/transport agent, for stuff such as periodic, cron, etc. But that doesn't mean that we need

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Jonathan McKeown
On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to ports? What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? Almost everyone I've ever spoken to about why they dislike sendmail trots out a bunch

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Lars Eighner
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Jonathan McKeown wrote: On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to ports? What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? The configuration is opaque, to put it kindly

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Chris Rees
2009/10/27 Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Jonathan McKeown wrote: On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to ports? What is this anti-sendmail obsession people

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread b. f.
It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to ports? Obviously, not everyone wants or needs sendmail in the base system. But quite a few people do use it, and many FreeBSD developers are happy with the status quo, so it is unlikely that sendmail

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Gonzalo Nemmi
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:32:14 am b. f. wrote: It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to ports? Obviously, not everyone wants or needs sendmail in the base system. But quite a few people do use it, and many FreeBSD developers

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Gonzalo Nemmi
On Monday 26 October 2009 11:06:47 pm Olivier Nicole wrote: How many people actually use it? Very few. Out of the 12 or 15 servers I run, only one do not use stock sendmail: the mail server. So one out of twelve is rather quite a lot... Let me get this .. are you saying that out of 12

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Gonzalo Nemmi
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 5:16:30 am Jonathan McKeown wrote: On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to ports? What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? Hard to tell

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:43:39 -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi gne...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:32:14 am b. f. wrote: It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to ports? Obviously, not everyone wants or needs sendmail in the base system

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Erik Norgaard
should be considered a base system. Is an MTA a requirement or a remnant from history? And if an MTA is a requirement then asking which one is the best choice is also a fair question. An equally fair answer could be whichever change requires the least work. No different than asking, why

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Gonzalo Nemmi
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 4:00:07 pm Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:43:39 -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi gne...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:32:14 am b. f. wrote: It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to ports

Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?

2009-10-27 Thread Kurt Buff
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:32, Bill Moran wmo...@potentialtech.com wrote: In response to Yuri y...@rawbw.com: Besides, if it's not there, how are you going to send mail from things like cron? Postfix. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

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