Re: A Riddle
On Mar 27, 2005, at 11:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Firstly, anyone who uses their own server for lists is a complete idiot. Do you have an actual reason to back up this assertion? Are you trying to insult everyone who has found AOL or Yahoo or Gmail to be more convenient for not clogging their server with lists traffic? Or do you just feel important because you laid out the $20 for your own domain? What if they just don't want people storing the content of their email and are competent enough to manage their own server? Or what if they have their own domain but it is virtually hosted within a larger service provider? And YES, they do default to top posting. You hit reply, and you get this (see below). See what? Its not really conducive to bottom posting, and when you do a google search and hit a long thread you read the answer you want first, rather than having to page down 200 times. Your browser can't do a search within the page and highlight what you're looking for? If you're over 50 and once used a pdp11 then you may argue the opposite, but times are a-changing, so get with it. So because the rest of the new netizen order are mentally defective, everyone else must retard themselves to fit in with the sheeple? Aren't you that [EMAIL PROTECTED] that keeps harassing people then gets kicked off the list, only to show up again as a slightly altered alias? Methinks that is the real reason you use web mail providers...using your own domain for harassing people would make it too easy to block you. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
On Mar 27, 2005, at 11:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently you can't read. I didn't say you were an idiot for running your own server. Can't read what? I'm not sure what line you're specifically referencing here, probably because you didn't inline the comment. But that's okay...we'll use a technique favored by trolls, and just stick your reply line wherever it is most convenient to twist the meaning! Only that you were an idiot to use your server to download tons of crap from lists that you don't want to read when for free you can have it stored elsewhere. A ton of crap? Wow...how much email do you keep in your spools, anyway? Are you running a mail server on an under-resourced system or something? If you aren't running with enough disk space for handling your domain's email, that sounds more like a violation of the competency clause in running your own mail server. I have a server, and a domain (several) and lots of other cool stuff. Like this cool Transformer, and this remote controlled boat, and this neat-o minibike my dad got me for Christmas! I got tired of wasting cpu cycles and disk space, considering that maybe 1 out of 20 messages actually interests me. Oh, the hardship of being a sysadmin for a home network...the horror! The HORROR! You guys always complain about wasted bandwidth. Well if you use yahoo or gmail or aol then you don't waste any bandwidth of your own. You just read what you want to read. I think most wasted bandwidth complaints today are veiled hints for the other person to shut up because they're wasting time. If you're running your own server and bandwidth is a premium, you already have a problem. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
WRONG on all counts! Firstly, anyone who uses their own server for lists is a complete idiot. Are you trying to insult everyone who has found AOL or Yahoo or Gmail to be more convenient for not clogging their server with lists traffic? Or do you just feel important because you laid out the $20 for your own domain? And YES, they do default to top posting. You hit reply, and you get this (see below). Its not really conducive to bottom posting, and when you do a google search and hit a long thread you read the answer you want first, rather than having to page down 200 times. If you're over 50 and once used a pdp11 then you may argue the opposite, but times are a-changing, so get with it. -Original Message- From: Fabian Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:59:59 +0100 Subject: Re: A Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heavily weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid technical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? Please have a look at your own email address. As an aside, all of the major web mail providers default to top posting. Google (ever hear of them?) only shows the top N lines of a post. So if you bottom post, you don't see the message you want to see without having to make an effort. So when are you troglodytes going to climb out of your 1994 hibernations and get with the times? They don't default to top posting, they put the cursor on top, so you can read the whole message and cut irrelevant parts before replying. If Google doesn't display the whole message, the interface is crap. That's not the fault of anybody on this list. You may prefer one over the other, but its hardly a capital offense to do otherwise. Most of us have evolved out of our unix newsreaders. If you want to be read by as many people as possible on this list, the easiest way is to write well formed mails. Unfortunately, you are not only top posting, your mailing software also inserts line breaks where there shouldn't be any and makes it hard to see who wrote what. Have a look at the beginning of this mail. Your quotation is a mess. Anyone with a brain is using web mail for mailing lists these days: no more whining about spam or wasted bandwidth. Having a brain is good, but using it is even better. If the web interface produces garbage, changing the interface could be a smart move. Just my two brainless cents. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Fabian Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:59:59 +0100 Subject: Re: A Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heavily weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid technical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? Please have a look at your own email address. As an aside, all of the major web mail providers default to top posting. Google (ever hear of them?) only shows the top N lines of a post. So if you bottom post, you don't see the message you want to see without having to make an effort. So when are you troglodytes going to climb out of your 1994 hibernations and get with the times? They don't default to top posting, they put the cursor on top, so you can read the whole message and cut irrelevant parts before replying. If Google doesn't display the whole message, the interface is crap. That's not the fault of anybody on this list. You may prefer one over the other, but its hardly a capital offense to do otherwise. Most of us have evolved out of our unix newsreaders. If you want to be read by as many people as possible on this list, the easiest way is to write well formed mails. Unfortunately, you are not only top posting, your mailing software also inserts line breaks where there shouldn't be any and makes it hard to see who wrote what. Have a look at the beginning of this mail. Your quotation is a mess. Anyone with a brain is using web mail for mailing lists these days: no more whining about spam or wasted bandwidth. Having a brain is good, but using it is even better. If the web interface produces garbage, changing the interface could be a smart move. Just my two brainless cents. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de *** Formatted correctly for ease of reading *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WRONG on all counts! Firstly, anyone who uses their own server for lists is a complete idiot. So - according to YOU, most all of us that run our own servers are idiots. Yanno what? You sound like the type that is forced to use his parents PC, Forced to use AOL, and forced to use web mail. So - since YOU can't have what most of us can and do have, you feel the need to lash out and verbally abuse. This is a classic case of the have-nots are beside them selfs over the haves. It's one thing to say something like: It's my opinion that (insert rhetoric here) Then to make a sweeping generalization as you just did. Shows us what kind a man (or boy) you are. Grow up - show some respect, don't insult - you will live longer when you do join society. And, as I said before - even tho you may bash us, think you are superior to us - we still love you anyways. Oh, and have a great day! -- Best regards, Chris If on an actuarial basis there is a 50 50 chance that something will go wrong, It will actually go wrong nine times out of ten. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
Apparently you can't read. I didn't say you were an idiot for running your own server. Only that you were an idiot to use your server to download tons of crap from lists that you don't want to read when for free you can have it stored elsewhere. I have a server, and a domain (several) and lots of other cool stuff. I got tired of wasting cpu cycles and disk space, considering that maybe 1 out of 20 messages actually interests me. You guys always complain about wasted bandwidth. Well if you use yahoo or gmail or aol then you don't waste any bandwidth of your own. You just read what you want to read. -Original Message- From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:31:58 -0600 Subject: Re: A Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Fabian Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:59:59 +0100 Subject: Re: A Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heavily weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid technical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? Please have a look at your own email address. As an aside, all of the major web mail providers default to top posting. Google (ever hear of them?) only shows the top N lines of a post. So if you bottom post, you don't see the message you want to see without having to make an effort. So when are you troglodytes going to climb out of your 1994 hibernations and get with the times? They don't default to top posting, they put the cursor on top, so you can read the whole message and cut irrelevant parts before replying. If Google doesn't display the whole message, the interface is crap. That's not the fault of anybody on this list. You may prefer one over the other, but its hardly a capital offense to do otherwise. Most of us have evolved out of our unix newsreaders. If you want to be read by as many people as possible on this list, the easiest way is to write well formed mails. Unfortunately, you are not only top posting, your mailing software also inserts line breaks where there shouldn't be any and makes it hard to see who wrote what. Have a look at the beginning of this mail. Your quotation is a mess. Anyone with a brain is using web mail for mailing lists these days: no more whining about spam or wasted bandwidth. Having a brain is good, but using it is even better. If the web interface produces garbage, changing the interface could be a smart move. Just my two brainless cents. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de *** Formatted correctly for ease of reading *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WRONG on all counts! Firstly, anyone who uses their own server for lists is a complete idiot. So - according to YOU, most all of us that run our own servers are idiots. Yanno what? You sound like the type that is forced to use his parents PC, Forced to use AOL, and forced to use web mail. So - since YOU can't have what most of us can and do have, you feel the need to lash out and verbally abuse. This is a classic case of the have-nots are beside them selfs over the haves. It's one thing to say something like: It's my opinion that (insert rhetoric here) Then to make a sweeping generalization as you just did. Shows us what kind a man (or boy) you are. Grow up - show some respect, don't insult - you will live longer when you do join society. And, as I said before - even tho you may bash us, think you are superior to us - we still love you anyways. Oh, and have a great day! -- Best regards, Chris If on an actuarial basis there is a 50 50 chance that something will go wrong, It will actually go wrong nine times out of ten. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
I sticky this thread as retarded. * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Apparently you can't read. I didn't say you were an idiot for running your own server. Only that you were an idiot to use your server to download tons of crap from lists that you don't want to read when for free you can have it stored elsewhere. I have a server, and a domain (several) and lots of other cool stuff. I got tired of wasting cpu cycles and disk space, considering that maybe 1 out of 20 messages actually interests me. You guys always complain about wasted bandwidth. Well if you use yahoo or gmail or aol then you don't waste any bandwidth of your own. You just read what you want to read. -Original Message- From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:31:58 -0600 Subject: Re: A Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Fabian Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:59:59 +0100 Subject: Re: A Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heavily weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid technical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? Please have a look at your own email address. As an aside, all of the major web mail providers default to top posting. Google (ever hear of them?) only shows the top N lines of a post. So if you bottom post, you don't see the message you want to see without having to make an effort. So when are you troglodytes going to climb out of your 1994 hibernations and get with the times? They don't default to top posting, they put the cursor on top, so you can read the whole message and cut irrelevant parts before replying. If Google doesn't display the whole message, the interface is crap. That's not the fault of anybody on this list. You may prefer one over the other, but its hardly a capital offense to do otherwise. Most of us have evolved out of our unix newsreaders. If you want to be read by as many people as possible on this list, the easiest way is to write well formed mails. Unfortunately, you are not only top posting, your mailing software also inserts line breaks where there shouldn't be any and makes it hard to see who wrote what. Have a look at the beginning of this mail. Your quotation is a mess. Anyone with a brain is using web mail for mailing lists these days: no more whining about spam or wasted bandwidth. Having a brain is good, but using it is even better. If the web interface produces garbage, changing the interface could be a smart move. Just my two brainless cents. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de *** Formatted correctly for ease of reading *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WRONG on all counts! Firstly, anyone who uses their own server for lists is a complete idiot. So - according to YOU, most all of us that run our own servers are idiots. Yanno what? You sound like the type that is forced to use his parents PC, Forced to use AOL, and forced to use web mail. So - since YOU can't have what most of us can and do have, you feel the need to lash out and verbally abuse. This is a classic case of the have-nots are beside them selfs over the haves. It's one thing to say something like: It's my opinion that (insert rhetoric here) Then to make a sweeping generalization as you just did. Shows us what kind a man (or boy) you are. Grow up - show some respect, don't insult - you will live longer when you do join society. And, as I said before - even tho you may bash us, think you are superior to us - we still love you anyways. Oh, and have a great day! -- Best regards, Chris If on an actuarial basis there is a 50 50 chance that something will go wrong, It will actually go wrong nine times out of ten. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http
Re: A Riddle
and who do you think cares what you do? -Original Message- From: Dev Tugnait [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:41:37 -0500 Subject: Re: A Riddle I sticky this thread as retarded. * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Apparently you can't read. I didn't say you were an idiot for running your own server. Only that you were an idiot to use your server to download tons of crap from lists that you don't want to read when for free you can have it stored elsewhere. I have a server, and a domain (several) and lots of other cool stuff. I got tired of wasting cpu cycles and disk space, considering that maybe 1 out of 20 messages actually interests me. You guys always complain about wasted bandwidth. Well if you use yahoo or gmail or aol then you don't waste any bandwidth of your own. You just read what you want to read. -Original Message- From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:31:58 -0600 Subject: Re: A Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Fabian Keil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:59:59 +0100 Subject: Re: A Riddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heavily weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid technical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? Please have a look at your own email address. As an aside, all of the major web mail providers default to top posting. Google (ever hear of them?) only shows the top N lines of a post. So if you bottom post, you don't see the message you want to see without having to make an effort. So when are you troglodytes going to climb out of your 1994 hibernations and get with the times? They don't default to top posting, they put the cursor on top, so you can read the whole message and cut irrelevant parts before replying. If Google doesn't display the whole message, the interface is crap. That's not the fault of anybody on this list. You may prefer one over the other, but its hardly a capital offense to do otherwise. Most of us have evolved out of our unix newsreaders. If you want to be read by as many people as possible on this list, the easiest way is to write well formed mails. Unfortunately, you are not only top posting, your mailing software also inserts line breaks where there shouldn't be any and makes it hard to see who wrote what. Have a look at the beginning of this mail. Your quotation is a mess. Anyone with a brain is using web mail for mailing lists these days: no more whining about spam or wasted bandwidth. Having a brain is good, but using it is even better. If the web interface produces garbage, changing the interface could be a smart move. Just my two brainless cents. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de *** Formatted correctly for ease of reading *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WRONG on all counts! Firstly, anyone who uses their own server for lists is a complete idiot. So - according to YOU, most all of us that run our own servers are idiots. Yanno what? You sound like the type that is forced to use his parents PC, Forced to use AOL, and forced to use web mail. So - since YOU can't have what most of us can and do have, you feel the need to lash out and verbally abuse. This is a classic case of the have-nots are beside them selfs over the haves. It's one thing to say something like: It's my opinion that (insert rhetoric here) Then to make a sweeping generalization as you just did. Shows us what kind a man (or boy) you are. Grow up - show some respect, don't insult - you will live longer when you do join society. And, as I said before - even tho you may bash us, think you are superior to us - we still love you anyways. Oh, and have a great day! -- Best regards, Chris If on an actuarial basis there is a 50 50 chance that something will go wrong, It will actually go wrong nine times out of ten. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: A Riddle
On 25 Mar 2005, Chris wrote:
If we're to prove a point to those that name call, are rude,
troll, and all the other recent events, we must do so on our
level. Allow them to spew what ever it is they spew, and we
must simply either ignore it (the correct way imho) Kill em
with kindness, OR, reply in such a fashion that the user has no
idea what we're saying.
Let's stop the erosion of this list now before it goes too far.
Over and out...
I totally agree. This plus other things are the reasons why I
chose to switch to another OS.
Over and out too.
--
Xavier Maillard
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Re: A Riddle
Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heaviliy weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid techical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? -Original Message- From: Xavier Maillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:43:35 +0100 Subject: Re: A Riddle On 25 Mar 2005, Chris wrote: If we're to prove a point to those that name call, are rude, troll, and all the other recent events, we must do so on our level. Allow them to spew what ever it is they spew, and we must simply either ignore it (the correct way imho) Kill em with kindness, OR, reply in such a fashion that the user has no idea what we're saying. Let's stop the erosion of this list now before it goes too far. Over and out... I totally agree. This plus other things are the reasons why I chose to switch to another OS. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heaviliy weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid techical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? -Original Message- From: Xavier Maillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:43:35 +0100 Subject: Re: A Riddle On 25 Mar 2005, Chris wrote: If we're to prove a point to those that name call, are rude, troll, and all the other recent events, we must do so on our level. Allow them to spew what ever it is they spew, and we must simply either ignore it (the correct way imho) Kill em with kindness, OR, reply in such a fashion that the user has no idea what we're saying. Let's stop the erosion of this list now before it goes too far. Over and out... I totally agree. This plus other things are the reasons why I chose to switch to another OS. Users that Insult people that offer help (good or bad) says much about that user. The tactic at hand (at least with the user that top posts) is to do nothing more then what it is hoping to do - incite anger *Sigh* Oh well - most of us are certainly above that. -- Best regards, Chris Nothing is ever done for the right reasons. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
--- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heavily weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid technical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? -Original Message- From: Xavier Maillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:43:35 +0100 Subject: Re: A Riddle On 25 Mar 2005, Chris wrote: If we're to prove a point to those that name call, are rude, troll, and all the other recent events, we must do so on our level. Allow them to spew what ever it is they spew, and we must simply either ignore it (the correct way imho) Kill em with kindness, OR, reply in such a fashion that the user has no idea what we're saying. Let's stop the erosion of this list now before it goes too far. Over and out... I totally agree. This plus other things are the reasons why I chose to switch to another OS. Users that Insult people that offer help (good or bad) says much about that user. The tactic at hand (at least with the user that top posts) is to do nothing more then what it is hoping to do - incite anger *Sigh* Oh well - most of us are certainly above that. I don't agree. The spread of disinformation is like allowing a cancer to go untreated. There are a lot of people recommending a very poorly implemented OS because of the propaganda disseminated here. People's jobs and businesses are at stake. People waste a tremendous amount of time (me included) based on the ridiculously inaccurate comments made by people on this list. And like with alchoholism, the first step is admitting that you have a problem. If you're going to keep RA-RAing this effort, then you are part of the problem. You can make a person Angry by calling him a loser. But if the shoe fits, it may very well need to be said to get him off his butt. As an aside, all of the major web mail providers default to top posting. Google (ever hear of them?) only shows the top N lines of a post. So if you bottom post, you don't see the message you want to see without having to make an effort. So when are you troglodytes going to climb out of your 1994 hibernations and get with the times? You may prefer one over the other, but its hardly a capital offense to do otherwise. Most of us have evolved out of our unix newsreaders. Anyone with a brain is using web mail for mailing lists these days: no more whining about spam or wasted bandwidth. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heavily weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid technical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? -Original Message- From: Xavier Maillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:43:35 +0100 Subject: Re: A Riddle On 25 Mar 2005, Chris wrote: If we're to prove a point to those that name call, are rude, troll, and all the other recent events, we must do so on our level. Allow them to spew what ever it is they spew, and we must simply either ignore it (the correct way imho) Kill em with kindness, OR, reply in such a fashion that the user has no idea what we're saying. Let's stop the erosion of this list now before it goes too far. Over and out... I totally agree. This plus other things are the reasons why I chose to switch to another OS. Users that Insult people that offer help (good or bad) says much about that user. The tactic at hand (at least with the user that top posts) is to do nothing more then what it is hoping to do - incite anger *Sigh* Oh well - most of us are certainly above that. I don't agree. The spread of disinformation is like allowing a cancer to go untreated. There are a lot of people recommending a very poorly implemented OS because of the propaganda disseminated here. People's jobs and businesses are at stake. People waste a tremendous amount of time (me included) based on the ridiculously inaccurate comments made by people on this list. And like with alchoholism, the first step is admitting that you have a problem. If you're going to keep RA-RAing this effort, then you are part of the problem. You can make a person Angry by calling him a loser. But if the shoe fits, it may very well need to be said to get him off his butt. As an aside, all of the major web mail providers default to top posting. Google (ever hear of them?) only shows the top N lines of a post. So if you bottom post, you don't see the message you want to see without having to make an effort. So when are you troglodytes going to climb out of your 1994 hibernations and get with the times? You may prefer one over the other, but its hardly a capital offense to do otherwise. Most of us have evolved out of our unix newsreaders. Anyone with a brain is using web mail for mailing lists these days: no more whining about spam or wasted bandwidth. We love you. Have a great day! -- Best regards, Chris Program design philosophy: Start at the beginning and continue until the end, then stop. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the unwanted emails were more heavily weighted in the decision? If there was any intelligent life on the list you could counter what you call Trolls with solid technical arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy to belong to something and have other half-wits to correspond with. FreeBSD used to have open discussions between users and developers and it used to be real good. Now it sucks and the developers are detached, off in their own little world. See a pattern? But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org and makeworld.com, what do you expect I guess? Please have a look at your own email address. As an aside, all of the major web mail providers default to top posting. Google (ever hear of them?) only shows the top N lines of a post. So if you bottom post, you don't see the message you want to see without having to make an effort. So when are you troglodytes going to climb out of your 1994 hibernations and get with the times? They don't default to top posting, they put the cursor on top, so you can read the whole message and cut irrelevant parts before replying. If Google doesn't display the whole message, the interface is crap. That's not the fault of anybody on this list. You may prefer one over the other, but its hardly a capital offense to do otherwise. Most of us have evolved out of our unix newsreaders. If you want to be read by as many people as possible on this list, the easiest way is to write well formed mails. Unfortunately, you are not only top posting, your mailing software also inserts line breaks where there shouldn't be any and makes it hard to see who wrote what. Have a look at the beginning of this mail. Your quotation is a mess. Anyone with a brain is using web mail for mailing lists these days: no more whining about spam or wasted bandwidth. Having a brain is good, but using it is even better. If the web interface produces garbage, changing the interface could be a smart move. Just my two brainless cents. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A Riddle
Q: Why are FreeBSD users like Liberals? A: They panic and start to call you names when you tell them the truth. -Original Message- From: Subhro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:37:12 +0530 Subject: RE: AMD64 much slower than i386 on FreeBSD 5.4-pre -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 20:53 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD64 much slower than i386 on FreeBSD 5.4-pre I think that warning people that the good name of FreeBSD is being tainted by the current band of clowns is very productive. Its more like a religion now; I've never seen so many people in total denial that their snip OH NO!!! ANOTHER AOLer. One more entry added to my kill list. THIS IS MY EARNEST REQUEST TO ALL THE LIST MEMBERS. BANDWIDTH IS VERY COSTLY HERE SO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT WASTE BANDWIDTH AND TIME BY FEEDING TROLLS. Best Regards S. Indian Institute of Information Technology Subhro Sankha Kar Block AQ-13/1, Sector V Salt Lake City PIN 700091 India ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q: Why are FreeBSD users like Liberals? A: They panic and start to call you names when you tell them the truth. Q: Why are AOL users like Religious Neo-Conservatives? A: They like to pay a high price for their service, despite lower cost alternatives, and will tell you, their way is the only way. Is it any wonder AOL CD's are like Gideon Bibles? Now, piss off, lamer. *plonk* -- Duo Although the Buddhists will tell you that desire is the root of suffering, my personal experience leads me to point the finger at system administration. --Philip Greenspun ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
-Original Message- From: Boris Spirialitious [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:24:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: A Riddle --- Duo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q: Why are FreeBSD users like Liberals? A: They panic and start to call you names when you tell them the truth. Q: Why are AOL users like Religious Neo-Conservatives? A: They like to pay a high price for their service, despite lower cost alternatives, and will tell you, their way is the only way. AOL web mail is free, you know-nothing idiot. Which not only confirms the riddle, but explains about why you are so wrong about just about everything you've said in the last week. You are a downright riot actaully! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
Q: Why are FreeBSD users like Liberals? A: They panic and start to call you names when you tell them the truth. Last I knew that was a technique most perfected by the right wing especially when they begin noticing that reality does not correspond to their need to support sagging egos. Sorry about clogging the bandwidth. Could resist taking a shot at a troll. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:05:42 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q: Why are FreeBSD users like Liberals? A: They panic and start to call you names when you tell them the truth. Please don't associate yourself with the conservatives/non-liberals. We don't like trolls either! Jacob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
There are 2 kinds of people in America, Jerry. The Rich and those who complain about the Rich. The difference here as opposed to some other countries is that which group you belong to is a personal choice. I respect your choice. You seem very happy in your ignorance of virtually every subject. You taking a shot at me is about as entertaining as it gets, Jerry. It really, really is. -Original Message- From: Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] Q: Why are FreeBSD users like Liberals? A: They panic and start to call you names when you tell them the truth. Last I knew that was a technique most perfected by the right wing especially when they begin noticing that reality does not correspond to their need to support sagging egos. Sorry about clogging the bandwidth. Could resist taking a shot at a troll. Jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
There are 2 kinds of people in America, Jerry. The Rich and those who complain about the Rich. The difference here as opposed to some other countries is that which group you belong to is a personal choice. I respect your choice. You seem very happy in your ignorance of virtually every subject. You taking a shot at me is about as entertaining as it gets, Jerry. It really, really is. You have a sad life it seems. jerry -Original Message- From: Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] Q: Why are FreeBSD users like Liberals? A: They panic and start to call you names when you tell them the truth. Last I knew that was a technique most perfected by the right wing especially when they begin noticing that reality does not correspond to their need to support sagging egos. Sorry about clogging the bandwidth. Could resist taking a shot at a troll. Jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
I'm glad this has to deal with FreeBSD related question. Thank you for expanding the minds of those subscribed to this mailing list with your intricate question outlining in the most detail the problem you're having with your specific task. You're either a dumbass, or a 12 year old. I prefer to choose the latter and hope for the best in your growth and development. Many Thanks, Tomas On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:22:45 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are 2 kinds of people in America, Jerry. The Rich and those who complain about the Rich. The difference here as opposed to some other countries is that which group you belong to is a personal choice. I respect your choice. You seem very happy in your ignorance of virtually every subject. You taking a shot at me is about as entertaining as it gets, Jerry. It really, really is. -Original Message- From: Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] Q: Why are FreeBSD users like Liberals? A: They panic and start to call you names when you tell them the truth. Last I knew that was a technique most perfected by the right wing especially when they begin noticing that reality does not correspond to their need to support sagging egos. Sorry about clogging the bandwidth. Could resist taking a shot at a troll. Jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -Tomas Quintero ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Riddle
Tomas Quintero wrote: I'm glad this has to deal with FreeBSD related question. Thank you for expanding the minds of those subscribed to this mailing list with your intricate question outlining in the most detail the problem you're having with your specific task. You're either a dumbass, or a 12 year old. I prefer to choose the latter and hope for the best in your growth and development. Many Thanks, Tomas On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:22:45 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are 2 kinds of people in America, Jerry. The Rich and those who complain about the Rich. The difference here as opposed to some other countries is that which group you belong to is a personal choice. I respect your choice. You seem very happy in your ignorance of virtually every subject. You taking a shot at me is about as entertaining as it gets, Jerry. It really, really is. -Original Message- From: Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] Q: Why are FreeBSD users like Liberals? A: They panic and start to call you names when you tell them the truth. Last I knew that was a technique most perfected by the right wing especially when they begin noticing that reality does not correspond to their need to support sagging egos. Sorry about clogging the bandwidth. Could resist taking a shot at a troll. Jerry Yanno - as odd as this seems, and as of late - this list seems to be resembling those Linux lists I used to be on some time ago. There seems to be lots of finger pointing, name calling, and in general - a total break down of common decency to our fellow user. Now I do understand that we'll get a troublesome user from time to time, but must we really sink to the depths of that user to prove a point? If we're to prove a point to those that name call, are rude, troll, and all the other recent events, we must do so on our level. Allow them to spew what ever it is they spew, and we must simply either ignore it (the correct way imho) Kill em with kindness, OR, reply in such a fashion that the user has no idea what we're saying. Let's stop the erosion of this list now before it goes too far. Over and out... -- Best regards, Chris Opportunity always knocks at the least opportune moment. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
