Re: Equations (WAS: good replacement for open office)

2007-10-05 Thread Andrew Gould
On 10/5/07, Frank Jahnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Since you seem to use the equation feature quite intensively, maybe
  you have any clue on making the equation editor perform better.

 Sorry I can't really be of much help with OO.o equations.

 What I do personally is a kludge, but it works well enough.  For
 documents that I create for read-only use, I use groff and friends.  For
 those that require collaboration, I use Wordperfect to create the
 equations (it has an equation mode like troff's eqn), export them into
 Word format, and then read them into Word.  The equation mode in Word is
 crippled, and you need to purchase MathType (I think that is the name)
 to make it usable.

 The same goes for references, BTW: you really need to purchase an add-on
 to make Word usable.  In troff I just use refer together with Refbase.

 I've just not had much luck with OO.o's equation mode.  If often crashes
 Word, and since all the people I collaborate with use Word, well, I use
 Word rather than try to teach them troff (or TeX).  While they are all
 top-flight scientists and engineers at major US research Universities,
 their computer literacy is surprisingly low.

 I've given up on trying to find a BSD or Linux program that is good
 enough for this purpose -- none really are.  So I just use Word in a VM
 and am done with it.


Have you tried LyX?
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Re: Equations (WAS: good replacement for open office)

2007-10-05 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 12:34:00PM -0500, Andrew Gould wrote:
 On 10/5/07, Frank Jahnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I've given up on trying to find a BSD or Linux program that is good
  enough for this purpose -- none really are.  So I just use Word in a VM
  and am done with it.
 
 Have you tried LyX?

I think this purpose, in this case, means collaborating with people
using MS Word.  That being the case, LyX is sort of the opposite of what
he needs, even if it handles equation work excellently for print --
because, of course, it *doesn't* handle MS Word DOC format at all.

At least, it didn't the last time I checked.  I imagine the LyX
maintainers haven't suddenly jumped on the interoperate with MS Office
bandwagon lately.

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Re: Equations (WAS: good replacement for open office)

2007-10-05 Thread Andrew Gould
On 10/4/07, Chad Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 12:34:00PM -0500, Andrew Gould wrote:
  On 10/5/07, Frank Jahnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I've given up on trying to find a BSD or Linux program that is good
   enough for this purpose -- none really are.  So I just use Word in a
 VM
   and am done with it.
 
  Have you tried LyX?

 I think this purpose, in this case, means collaborating with people
 using MS Word.  That being the case, LyX is sort of the opposite of what
 he needs, even if it handles equation work excellently for print --
 because, of course, it *doesn't* handle MS Word DOC format at all.

 At least, it didn't the last time I checked.  I imagine the LyX
 maintainers haven't suddenly jumped on the interoperate with MS Office
 bandwagon lately.

 --
 CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ]
 Brian K. Reid: In computer science, we stand on each other's feet.


You are so right about that.  I saw equations in the subject line and
jumped a little to quickly.  ;-)
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Re: Equations (WAS: good replacement for open office)

2007-10-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Word rather than try to teach them troff (or TeX).  While they are all

i'm not top-flight scientist but i was able to learn latex...
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Re: Equations (WAS: good replacement for open office)

2007-10-05 Thread Frank Jahnke

On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 20:13 +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
  Word rather than try to teach them troff (or TeX).  While they are all
 i'm not top-flight scientist but i was able to learn latex...

That may be true, but trust me, the faculty with whom I work just would
not do it.  No way, no how, never.

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Re: Equations (WAS: good replacement for open office)

2007-10-05 Thread Frank Jahnke

On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 12:34 -0500, Andrew Gould wrote:

 
 Have you tried LyX? 

I'm aware of it, and will indeed try it one of these days, but that is
not the issue.  I'm fine with troff -- I've used it for so many years
that I can get it to jump through hoops.  Time has passed it by, though,
so moving to TeX (or LaTeX or Lyx) one of these days is probably a good
idea.

The issue is the skill of the people with whom I collaborate, and their
inclination to change.  They won't, at least not for me alone.  This is
not a battle worth fighting.  You are of course welcomed to disagree for
your own case.



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