Re: Sending a Fax
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Bill Tillman btillma...@yahoo.com wrote: I knew this thread would bring up some ironies. For the record it's all in their minds. E-Mails have been upheld in the US Court system as legal documents. Maybe. But as soon as you have to interact with non-US companies or administrations, you'll have to revert to fax, because in their legislations, that's the only legally binding document in addition to real letters. IMHO...Faxing is so last century. Yes, but that's the way the world is. Not everyone has transitioned to authenticated e-mails. Most legal systems didn't, for some very good security reasons. At least, I'm relieved that we don't have to fall back to an even older technology than fax: telex (anyone remember that?) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
On 05/10/11 09:36, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Bill Tillmanbtillma...@yahoo.com wrote: I knew this thread would bring up some ironies. For the record it's all in their minds. E-Mails have been upheld in the US Court system as legal documents. Maybe. But as soon as you have to interact with non-US companies or administrations, you'll have to revert to fax, because in their legislations, that's the only legally binding document in addition to real letters. Digitally signed email has been legally binding in the UK for a decade or more. It's only when I'm talking to Bank of America Merrill Lynch that I have to revert to faxes because they refuse to accept signed email. Sigh. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
I knew this thread would bring up some ironies. For the record it's all in their minds. E-Mails have been upheld in the US Court system as legal documents. And those people afraid or distrusting of e-mail have only to give me their fax number and watch how quickly I can send them bogus fax documents. Like I said, it's all in their minds. Faxing is no safer or more secure than any other form of comminication. Its simply a waste of ink, toner and paper as far as I'm concerned. I just finished an assignment at a dinosaur of a company which still prints of sets of huge D and E size drawings for their estimating department. When I showed them the things you can do with a software package like Bluebeam Revu, they scoffed at it because it costs $189 per seat. I showed them how they were wasting $200 to $500 each week printing out huge sets of drawings. In just on month they could have bought enough licensed copied of Revu to account for this and then stop printing so much paper which only ends up in the trash. Their secretaries were still sending out proposals via fax even when the client requested a PDF be sent by e-mail. Their reason for this was, This is the only way we know how and we've done it like this for so long, we don't want to change. IMHO...Faxing is so last century. From: David Brodbeck g...@gull.us To: FreeBSD Questions questi...@freebsd.org Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 1:30:58 PM Subject: Re: Sending a Fax On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Bill Tillman btillma...@yahoo.com wrote: I read the other replies to your post so let me put in my 2 cents worth. For the last few years, I have basically abandoned faxing in favor of e-mailing PDF and other document files. Paperless is not only more efficient but its green too. Believe it or not, there are industries where faxing is still the norm. Many industrial suppliers want purchase orders by fax. It also seems to be the common way that pharmacies communicate with doctors' offices. These are conservative industries where email (and especially, email attachments) are still viewed with some suspicion. A lot of times these days the actual endpoint is a digital fax system, though; sometimes the fax never actually reaches paper. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
On 05/07/11 08:30, Bill Tillman wrote: I knew this thread would bring up some ironies. For the record it's all in their minds. E-Mails have been upheld in the US Court system as legal documents. And those people afraid or distrusting of e-mail have only to give me their fax number and watch how quickly I can send them bogus fax documents. Like I said, it's all in their minds. Faxing is no safer or more secure than any other form of comminication. Its simply a waste of ink, toner and paper as far as I'm concerned. I just finished an assignment at a dinosaur of a company which still prints of sets of huge D and E size drawings for their estimating department. When I showed them the things you can do with a software package like Bluebeam Revu, they scoffed at it because it costs $189 per seat. I showed them how they were wasting $200 to $500 each week printing out huge sets of drawings. In just on month they could have bought enough licensed copied of Revu to account for this and then stop printing so much paper which only ends up in the trash. Their secretaries were still sending out proposals via fax even when the client requested a PDF be sent by e-mail. Their reason for this was, This is the only way we know how and we've done it like this for so long, we don't want to change. IMHO...Faxing is so last century. From: David Brodbeckg...@gull.us To: FreeBSD Questionsquesti...@freebsd.org Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 1:30:58 PM Subject: Re: Sending a Fax On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Bill Tillmanbtillma...@yahoo.com wrote: I read the other replies to your post so let me put in my 2 cents worth. For the last few years, I have basically abandoned faxing in favor of e-mailing PDF and other document files. Paperless is not only more efficient but its green too. Believe it or not, there are industries where faxing is still the norm. Many industrial suppliers want purchase orders by fax. It also seems to be the common way that pharmacies communicate with doctors' offices. These are conservative industries where email (and especially, email attachments) are still viewed with some suspicion. A lot of times these days the actual endpoint is a digital fax system, though; sometimes the fax never actually reaches paper. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Bill, I'd like to add to this that, in my opinion, the real issue these days is the emailing of unencrypted business papers. I take the position that *nothing* is ever deleted from an email server these days; or from those servers that are just relaying, no matter what the RFC says. I shake my head at what people send to their correspondents, that they would never think of discussing with a stranger. And yet they do just that via the spool. Regards, r ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
I'd like to add to this that, in my opinion, the real issue these days is the emailing of unencrypted business papers. I take the position that *nothing* is ever deleted from an email server these days; or from those servers that are just relaying, no matter what the RFC says. I shake my head at what people send to their correspondents, that they would never think of discussing with a stranger. And yet they do just that via the spool. I second your opinion. Now that recording conversations emails between people, they save everything for later coming back with lawsuits/blackmail/etc. There are many examples but one that comes to mind is the Brett Favre scandal with then Jet's reporter Jen Sterger. That was a text, and *it apparently was saved since 2008* and it became a scandal, this of course last year and now the *LOCKOUT * :( These people make too much money already and they want more :( Sorry for drifting out of topic. An example where paperless documents are preffered, take a look at IRS they will require users to file electronically starting next year. They want to save paper and this is a government agency. Schools are implementing this too, they want to send messages to their teachers/workers/staff because ultiimately saving the environment is more important (too many dead trees) Regards, Antonio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
On Sat, 7 May 2011 07:30:29 -0700 (PDT), Bill Tillman btillma...@yahoo.com wrote: Like I said, it's all in their minds. Faxing is no safer or more secure than any other form of comminication. Its simply a waste of ink, toner and paper as far as I'm concerned. I fully agree - especially in business. However, there are FEW, and I may emphasize VERY FEW occassions where faxing is a welcome solution. Allow me to give one example - it's the only one I know. :-) A friend pays his ISP monthly. Due to some mistake on his side, he mixed some account numbers and got all his money back, every month, while assuming he had paid. After six months, the ISP cut his wire. He phoned them and asked for the reason, and he was told that he didn't pay for a half year. As he still had all the money on _his_ bank account, he transferred it and sent a FAX of the banking receipt to the ISP's accounting department. Less than one hour later, he was back online. Faxing is nice if you already have documents in paper form. It's STUPID to fax if you generate the documents using some means of modern IT (usually a PC, obviously), then PRINT it, and THEN fax it - instead of using e-mail. It sounds even more stupid if you do this internally (inside your company). But as I said, I've SEEN that. I just finished an assignment at a dinosaur of a company which still prints of sets of huge D and E size drawings for their estimating department. When I showed them the things you can do with a software package like Bluebeam Revu, they scoffed at it because it costs $189 per seat. I showed them how they were wasting $200 to $500 each week printing out huge sets of drawings. In just on month they could have bought enough licensed copied of Revu to account for this and then stop printing so much paper which only ends up in the trash. I thing you've been facing the common misbelief that software is not allowed to cost anything, which leads to either NOT using software, or using pirated copies. Their secretaries were still sending out proposals via fax even when the client requested a PDF be sent by e-mail. Again something I recently encountered: We can't send you a PDF file. - as the result of being UNABLE to use their everyday software (export to PDF anyone?). On the other hand, using a 10+ years old illegal copy of a well-known... you know... :-) Their reason for this was, This is the only way we know how and we've done it like this for so long, we don't want to change. This attitude will always be funny (for us) when the technical basis of some procedure is removed (due to evolution in technology). Then, they surprisingly and right now encounter problems they can't solve. And then, it gets REALLY expensive. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
On Sat, 07 May 2011 10:29:46 -0600, Reed Loefgren rloefg...@forethought.net wrote: I'd like to add to this that, in my opinion, the real issue these days is the emailing of unencrypted business papers. You do not have ANY idea of how clueless people can be, do you? :-) Again, I've seen in REALITY that it was NO PROBLEM for me to obtain classified and secret documents via a chain of unencrypted and unprotected WLAN and Windows shares. No e-mail magic involved. I could even use the company's printer to tell them the surprising facts. :-) I take the position that *nothing* is ever deleted from an email server these days; or from those servers that are just relaying, no matter what the RFC says. I think so, too, especially if legislation encourages the providers of those services to store all the messages they handle for investigation purposes. You can imagine the standard arguments for that procedures... I shake my head at what people send to their correspondents, that they would never think of discussing with a stranger. This is a result of PC on, brain off. :-) Popular intant messengers sometimes are even more problematic, i. e. when the terms of use for those services state that IF you use the service, you delegate all your rights on the messages written to the provider of the service. Bob: i made great invention today will bring many money Tim: cool tell me more ! I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
On Thu, May 05, 2011, Doug Hardie wrote: On 5 May 2011, at 22:19, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Thursday, May 05, 2011 a las 07:21:29PM -0700, Doug Hardie escribió: One of my clients needs to send a lot of faxes. He has a Brother 8680DN which will fax. Any ideas how to send a file to it and get it to send a fax? I am not finding anything beyond printing for that unit via Google.___ Check out HylaFAX in the ports; don't know if your modem is supported; Thanks. As best as I can tell the Brother unit has a modem built it, but the only interface to it is via ethernet. I suspect it takes a PDF and then sends that, much like printing. I've found that the Multitech external modems have been the most reliable for fax operations. We've been using HylaFAX for years, since it was called Flexfax. Bill -- INTERNET: b...@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax:(206) 232-9186 Skype: jwccsllc (206) 855-5792 Never chastise a Windows user...just smile at them kindly as you would a disadvantaged child. WBM ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
El día Thursday, May 05, 2011 a las 11:48:55PM -0700, Bill Campbell escribió: I've found that the Multitech external modems have been the most reliable for fax operations. We've been using HylaFAX for years, since it was called Flexfax. I have been using HylaFAX for many years in my company and at home, mostly with ZyXEL 1496 modems, very robust, and I have in that time beeing tested a lot of other modems too w/ FlexFAX and HylaFAX.. Never chastise a Windows user...just smile at them kindly as you would a disadvantaged child. WBM nice :-) matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
El día Thursday, May 05, 2011 a las 07:21:29PM -0700, Doug Hardie escribió: One of my clients needs to send a lot of faxes. He has a Brother 8680DN which will fax. Any ideas how to send a file to it and get it to send a fax? I am not finding anything beyond printing for that unit via Google.___ Check out HylaFAX in the ports; don't know if your modem is supported; matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ ¡Ya basta! ¡Imperialistas occidentales, quitad las manos de Libia! There's an end of it! Imperialists occidentals, hands off Libya! Schluss jetzt endlich! Imperialisten des Westens, Haende weg von Libyen! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu May 5 21:50:34 2011 From: Doug Hardie bc...@lafn.org Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 19:21:29 -0700 To: FreeBSD Questions questi...@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Sending a Fax One of my clients needs to send a lot of faxes. He has a Brother 8680DN which will fax. Any ideas how to send a file to it and get it to send a fax? I am not finding anything beyond printing for that unit via Google. Not to belabor the obvious, but do you have the owners manual? what does it say about faxing? *MOST* computer-driven fax machines have the 'logical equivalent' of a serial port, to which you send specialized AT (extended Hayes modem commands) to go into fax mode, and originate a call. Then you shovel out a bit-stream that is the already rasterized fax data. I've always used 'Hylafax' -- a _smart_ fax-management daemon that supports a whole bunch of different kinds of fax modems, handles -multiple- fax- modems, automatic retries, etc., etc. It supports a very simple protocol for queueing faxes from applicatioons, or the command line, and handles either ASCII or PostScript input. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
From: Doug Hardie bc...@lafn.org To: FreeBSD Questions questi...@freebsd.org Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 10:21:29 PM Subject: Sending a Fax One of my clients needs to send a lot of faxes. He has a Brother 8680DN which will fax. Any ideas how to send a file to it and get it to send a fax? I am not finding anything beyond printing for that unit via Google.___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I read the other replies to your post so let me put in my 2 cents worth. For the last few years, I have basically abandoned faxing in favor of e-mailing PDF and other document files. Paperless is not only more efficient but its green too. Still there are those who must or insist on cutting down huge swaths or forest in order to send out more paper which will only end up in the land-fills. OK that's my 2 cents worth so now I will address your question. I would assume that the Brother Fax machine you have should be able to handle network printing which means it should handle network faxing. It not then it will almost certainly have to be decommissioned if network faxing is what you're after. Some have said you can get FreeBSD using Linux emulation to talk to it, but unless you really know what you're doing this will be like reinventing the wheel. Personally, I doubt you could get this to work and even if you did, it would be such a complex setup that no one but you would know how it works and the next IT person who steps up to manage it will curse the day you were born. Not to mention getting your people in userland to understand and use this process will prove fruitless because unless the users can simply point and click it will never be accepted by them. So unless you plan on being there to hold the user's hand throughout each fax.get the picture. HylaFAX is a nice alternative and the port in FreeBSD has been tried and tested by many and it has earned it's stripes. But you will need a modem of some kind to work with it and I doubt that the modem inside the Brother unit you have will work. On top of that, if your client is using Windows as their workstation OS then you wil need a client to interface with HylaFAX unless again you plan on being there to massage and handhold them through the entire process. There are several Windows clients available for HylaFAX, a few of them are free but require more than a point and click process to run. The makers of HylaFAX have an excellent client which works just like a simple print queue process but it costs $35 per seat. Other clients are available and cost a few $$ per seat as well. I have a nice setup with HylaFAX and Windows clients but I just don't fax anymore so I hardly ever use it. I assume the Brother machine will do other tasks like printing, scanning, etc... but to get it to interface with FreeBSD will be a major undertaking. No offense but the users in this group will make suggestions which sounf like you just simply plug-n-play. When in reality, it will take a huge effort for which there will be little or no documentation available and in many cases will never work in the first place because drivers don't exist for what you want to do. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
On Thu, 5 May 2011, Doug Hardie wrote: Thanks. As best as I can tell the Brother unit has a modem built it, but the only interface to it is via ethernet. I suspect it takes a PDF and then sends that, much like printing. The Linux drivers should have scripts for this, like brpcfax and filterBRFAX. Maybe useful as a guide if not directly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Bill Tillman btillma...@yahoo.com wrote: I read the other replies to your post so let me put in my 2 cents worth. For the last few years, I have basically abandoned faxing in favor of e-mailing PDF and other document files. Paperless is not only more efficient but its green too. Believe it or not, there are industries where faxing is still the norm. Many industrial suppliers want purchase orders by fax. It also seems to be the common way that pharmacies communicate with doctors' offices. These are conservative industries where email (and especially, email attachments) are still viewed with some suspicion. A lot of times these days the actual endpoint is a digital fax system, though; sometimes the fax never actually reaches paper. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
On Fri, 6 May 2011 10:30:58 -0700, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Bill Tillman btillma...@yahoo.com wrote: I read the other replies to your post so let me put in my 2 cents worth. For the last few years, I have basically abandoned faxing in favor of e-mailing PDF and other document files. Paperless is not only more efficient but its green too. The paperless office is an utopium since the 60's, and it will be, as printing gets cheaper and cheaper. :-( Believe it or not, there are industries where faxing is still the norm. Don't just think about big industries, also keep small businesses in mind - LOTS of them. A manager writes a letter, prints it, faxes it to the secretary, she then types it, prints it, and faxes it back to the manager. In case the manager requires some changes, he phones her, or makes annotations to her fax and faxes it back. Then she processes the changes and faxes the result again. On both sides, it's an inkpee fax. If it's not used heavily enough, it will dry out. You think: Stupid! Inefficient! Expensive! Fully correct. And it's more the _norm_ than the exception, at least here in Germany. There are enough businesses that could invest in a computer-driven fax system (storage instead of paper, printing if and ONLY IF required), but they are too lazy in mind. Many industrial suppliers want purchase orders by fax. This has to do with a legal situation in many cases. A fax, unlike an e-mail, is often said to have a status like letter with receipt, so the statement: You did get the message. can be made from sending a fax and applying the receipt printed by the fax machine (sending report). Also printing a text, signing it, and then faxing it makes it look more legal. It also seems to be the common way that pharmacies communicate with doctors' offices. These are conservative industries where email (and especially, email attachments) are still viewed with some suspicion. Except it's a greeting card with a dancing bunny that requires you to download SALES.XLS.EXE and have fun. :-) A lot of times these days the actual endpoint is a digital fax system, though; sometimes the fax never actually reaches paper. In bigger business, this may very well apply, as the huge blocks of software used there traditionally include such solutions. Small and medium businesses that use one size fits all kind of software tend to stick to traditional methods, and in many cases (I've SEEN them!) they combine them with inefficient methods and expensive operations. In the past, I've also used the hylafax port with a regular external serial modem, and it worked perfectly. I think the moden was an... Elsa? MicroLink something? Looked like a green toy, but worked very well. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: In the past, I've also used the hylafax port with a regular external serial modem, and it worked perfectly. I think the moden was an... Elsa? MicroLink something? Looked like a green toy, but worked very well. I've used it with US Robotics modems, the cheap Sportster consumer ones. I imagine you can pick these up for a pittance now on the used market. What I found was the sending compatibility of the US Robotics modem was really good, but the receive compatibility wasn't quite as good as our Multitech; a few machines had trouble sending to the US Robotics modem. I used it as a send-only modem in our Hylafax system in order to avoid tying up the Multitech. We were a small manufacturing company and when we got a project started it wasn't unusual for our purchasing department to send off three dozen faxes in rapid succession and get faxed replies back for each one. We had incoming DID with each number routed to a different email address. Hylafax handled it really well. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
On Fri, 6 May 2011 19:50:47 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de articulated: On Fri, 6 May 2011 10:30:58 -0700, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Bill Tillman btillma...@yahoo.com wrote: Believe it or not, there are industries where faxing is still the norm. Don't just think about big industries, also keep small businesses in mind - LOTS of them. A manager writes a letter, prints it, faxes it to the secretary, she then types it, prints it, and faxes it back to the manager. In case the manager requires some changes, he phones her, or makes annotations to her fax and faxes it back. Then she processes the changes and faxes the result again. On both sides, it's an inkpee fax. If it's not used heavily enough, it will dry out. Are you joking? Why would anyone create a document, print it and then FAX it? I create documents all the time in MS Word and then FAX the document directly to the intended recipient. No printing required. And why would the manager FAX it to a secretary to be transcribed and printed then FAXed back? There are so many solutions to this that the only answer that I can conceive of in this situation is that you are describing an office environment from the 60's, unless you were just joking to begin with. You think: Stupid! Inefficient! Expensive! Absolutely Fully correct. And it's more the _norm_ than the exception, at least here in Germany. There are enough businesses that could invest in a computer-driven fax system (storage instead of paper, printing if and ONLY IF required), but they are too lazy in mind. Many industrial suppliers want purchase orders by fax. This has to do with a legal situation in many cases. A fax, unlike an e-mail, is often said to have a status like letter with receipt, so the statement: You did get the message. can be made from sending a fax and applying the receipt printed by the fax machine (sending report). Also printing a text, signing it, and then faxing it makes it look more legal. My legal signature has been scanned and stored so that I can simply add it to any document I created sans the whole wasteful printing operation, assuming that I do not require a hard copy. It also seems to be the common way that pharmacies communicate with doctors' offices. These are conservative industries where email (and especially, email attachments) are still viewed with some suspicion. It is legal in many locals in the US to FAX a prescription into a pharmacy. The same applies to many legal documents for use in courts, etcetera. I have never seen an e-mailed document accepted though. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
On Fri, 6 May 2011 19:09:58 -0400, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 6 May 2011 19:50:47 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de articulated: On Fri, 6 May 2011 10:30:58 -0700, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Bill Tillman btillma...@yahoo.com wrote: Believe it or not, there are industries where faxing is still the norm. Don't just think about big industries, also keep small businesses in mind - LOTS of them. A manager writes a letter, prints it, faxes it to the secretary, she then types it, prints it, and faxes it back to the manager. In case the manager requires some changes, he phones her, or makes annotations to her fax and faxes it back. Then she processes the changes and faxes the result again. On both sides, it's an inkpee fax. If it's not used heavily enough, it will dry out. Are you joking? No, I'm not. I've actually SEEN that MYSELF, more than one time, and after asking, I was told that was the normal procedure for correspondency! Unbelievable you say? Sure, but REALITY. Why would anyone create a document, print it and then FAX it? I create documents all the time in MS Word and then FAX the document directly to the intended recipient. No printing required. I know this is possible. It would even be possible to use the normal way of e-mail for that. But it isn't done. In this specific company, my house of horrors where every sin in IT is business as usual, pirated copies of incom- patible versions of Word are also typical. Those who work there are hardly able to do the simplest tricks of cheap word processing, so how could one expect they'd be able to send an e-mail? And why would the manager FAX it to a secretary to be transcribed and printed then FAXed back? Because they've always done that, and it works. Investing few time into (1st) installing a paperless fax solution and (2nd) training the employees to properly use it is too much. So they keep wasting paper, ink, power, money. But as I mentioned before, they safe a lot of money by using illegal software. :-) There are so many solutions to this that the only answer that I can conceive of in this situation is that you are describing an office environment from the 60's, unless you were just joking to begin with. Ha! It's of TODAY! And NO joke! You think: Stupid! Inefficient! Expensive! Absolutely Well, _me_ too, but my suggestions is just too complicated, and they would be cost-intensive. You know that the majority of users who do not have a clue about what they're doing are resistent to any argumentation and learning. Many industrial suppliers want purchase orders by fax. This has to do with a legal situation in many cases. A fax, unlike an e-mail, is often said to have a status like letter with receipt, so the statement: You did get the message. can be made from sending a fax and applying the receipt printed by the fax machine (sending report). Also printing a text, signing it, and then faxing it makes it look more legal. My legal signature has been scanned and stored so that I can simply add it to any document I created sans the whole wasteful printing operation, assuming that I do not require a hard copy. That's the problem. Certain fields of post-use (e. g. tax matters, insurance issues or documentation in procedures of law) require a hardcopy. In _those_ cases, it's okay to use paper. In many other cases, it's just a waste of resources, and finally of money. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Sending a Fax
One of my clients needs to send a lot of faxes. He has a Brother 8680DN which will fax. Any ideas how to send a file to it and get it to send a fax? I am not finding anything beyond printing for that unit via Google.___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sending a Fax
On 5 May 2011, at 22:19, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Thursday, May 05, 2011 a las 07:21:29PM -0700, Doug Hardie escribió: One of my clients needs to send a lot of faxes. He has a Brother 8680DN which will fax. Any ideas how to send a file to it and get it to send a fax? I am not finding anything beyond printing for that unit via Google.___ Check out HylaFAX in the ports; don't know if your modem is supported; Thanks. As best as I can tell the Brother unit has a modem built it, but the only interface to it is via ethernet. I suspect it takes a PDF and then sends that, much like printing.___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Sending a Fax
One of my clients needs to send a lot of faxes. He has a Brother 8680DN which will fax. Any ideas how to send a file to it and get it to send a fax? I am not finding anything beyond printing for that unit via Google. According to http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/us/us/en/monolasermfc/m fc8680dn_us/spec/index.html, this device does have PC FAX capabilities on Windows/Mac/Linux. Here is the download site for Linux drivers: http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html With some Linux emulator and CUPS tweaking, you should be able to get the Linux PC FAX capability working on FreeBSD. YMMV, HTH. -- Regards, Matt Emmerton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
