Re: portmanager/portmaster like application for packages?
On Sunday 01 March 2009 14:02:19 per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Mel fbsd.questi...@rachie.is-a-geek.net wrote: On Saturday 28 February 2009 23:06:10 Fbsd1 wrote: I am looking for software like portmanager/portmaster but works on the package system instead of the port system. Is there such am application available? Not (yet). Without /usr/ports it's impossible to find out what software needs updating, or you'd have to download and trust the INDEX-7 on the FreeBSD package servers. ... which may not be much of a stretch for those who are prepared to download and trust the packages themselves, from the same place. It is a stretch in practice. The INDEX is based on /usr/ports, which is ahead of the packages that are actually compiled on the buildservers. portupgrade -PP manages somehow. Not somehow, but because it works with /usr/ports. Try renaming your ports directory and see how that goes. Also, -PP wastes a lot of bandwidth. Just look at the ammount of packages that are downloaded which aren't actually installed, because the version is older or equal then installed. BTW, the OP may not realize that the package system is a subset of the port system, rather than an alternative. Packages are generated using the port system. It's an alternative way to install the same software. One can in fact use packages without having /usr/ports present at all. I'm using my own tools, using a custom INDEX format on the build server. But there's still too many raw edges that I'd like the tools released into the wild. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portmanager/portmaster like application for packages?
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:32:10 -0900 Mel fbsd.questi...@rachie.is-a-geek.net wrote: On Sunday 01 March 2009 14:02:19 per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Mel fbsd.questi...@rachie.is-a-geek.net wrote: On Saturday 28 February 2009 23:06:10 Fbsd1 wrote: I am looking for software like portmanager/portmaster but works on the package system instead of the port system. Is there such am application available? Not (yet). Without /usr/ports it's impossible to find out what software needs updating, or you'd have to download and trust the INDEX-7 on the FreeBSD package servers. ... which may not be much of a stretch for those who are prepared to download and trust the packages themselves, from the same place. It is a stretch in practice. The INDEX is based on /usr/ports, which is ahead of the packages that are actually compiled on the buildservers. Well, sometimes by a day or two, so I guess if you're portupgrading daily or whatever. For larger portupgrades after a while (as I tend :) I very rarely miss finding all the latest packages, ie as perryh said: portupgrade -PP manages somehow. Not somehow, but because it works with /usr/ports. Try renaming your ports directory and see how that goes. Also, -PP wastes a lot of bandwidth. Just look at the ammount of packages that are downloaded which aren't actually installed, because the version is older or equal then installed. I don't get your latter point, Mel. Assuming the ports tree is up to date (I can't comment on using just an INDEX without a ports tree) then the package versions obtained using -PP match those in the ports tree; I don't recall it ever downloading older packages than the ports versions? BTW, the OP may not realize that the package system is a subset of the port system, rather than an alternative. Packages are generated using the port system. It's an alternative way to install the same software. One can in fact use packages without having /usr/ports present at all. I'm using my own tools, using a custom INDEX format on the build server. But there's still too many raw edges that I'd like the tools released into the wild. Fair enough, but I think perryh's point stands; many people appear to believe that ports and packages are separate systems. We've even seen people say you shouldn't mix the two methods which is utter nonsense. For a large (likely overdue :) portupgrade session, after updating the tree I start with portupgrade -anPP which fetches all available packages to /usr/ports/packages, without updating anything yet. Sometimes some regional mirrors aren't quite up to date, so I might need to finish off with a visit to somewhere closer to (ultimately) ftp.freebsd.org. Then portupgrade -aP uses the (now local) packages, builds any ports for which there is no package for licence etc reasons, sometimes grabbing a few more dependent packages along the way, but my poor lil' ol' laptop doesn't need to spend days compiling Xorg, KDE, openoffice if you use it, and a bunch of other big ports; it only takes quite a few hours :) and a little extra bandwidth saving days of building is fine by me .. The only largish port that always needs (re)building here is PHP, where the default options and thus the built package - weirdly, in my view - doesn't include mod_php, though I bet most PHP users wanted it for that. cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
portmanager/portmaster like application for packages?
I am looking for software like portmanager/portmaster but works on the package system instead of the port system. Is there such am application available? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portmanager/portmaster like application for packages?
Fbsd1 wrote: I am looking for software like portmanager/portmaster but works on the package system instead of the port system. Is there such am application available? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org portupgrade has an option to install packages if current with the port version ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portmanager/portmaster like application for packages?
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: Fbsd1 wrote: I am looking for software like portmanager/portmaster but works on the package system instead of the port system. Is there such am application available? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org portupgrade has an option to install packages if current with the port version ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I don't do ports if at all possible. I even do the package of the dependents of the ports I am forced to do. So portupgrade is useless to me. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portmanager/portmaster like application for packages?
On Saturday 28 February 2009 23:06:10 Fbsd1 wrote: I am looking for software like portmanager/portmaster but works on the package system instead of the port system. Is there such am application available? Not (yet). Without /usr/ports it's impossible to find out what software needs updating, or you'd have to download and trust the INDEX-7 on the FreeBSD package servers. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portmanager/portmaster like application for packages?
Fbsd1 wrote: Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: Fbsd1 wrote: I am looking for software like portmanager/portmaster but works on the package system instead of the port system. Is there such am application available? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org portupgrade has an option to install packages if current with the port version ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I don't do ports if at all possible. I even do the package of the dependents of the ports I am forced to do. So portupgrade is useless to me. Actually (I have not read the man page in detail) there seems to be a way to say to use packages only now there is good reasons for using ports not packages in that god knows when the package was compiled and under what conditions (i.e. it is rolling the dice to weither or not it will work) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portmanager/portmaster like application for packages?
Mel fbsd.questi...@rachie.is-a-geek.net wrote: On Saturday 28 February 2009 23:06:10 Fbsd1 wrote: I am looking for software like portmanager/portmaster but works on the package system instead of the port system. Is there such am application available? Not (yet). Without /usr/ports it's impossible to find out what software needs updating, or you'd have to download and trust the INDEX-7 on the FreeBSD package servers. ... which may not be much of a stretch for those who are prepared to download and trust the packages themselves, from the same place. portupgrade -PP manages somehow. BTW, the OP may not realize that the package system is a subset of the port system, rather than an alternative. Packages are generated using the port system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
