Re: [ free_bsd_questions ] selecting a cpu heatsink / fan combo [ a ]
Mark Picone wrote: it's that i don't recognize so many of the manufacturers names. some look familiar, but they might just be similar to something i remember from long ago. q: would anyone care to wax rhapsodic about any manufacturer with whose heatsink / fan combo product[s] they have had good success ? IMO: Pure copper zalman heatsink/fan combo (cant go wrong) thank you, mark. i saw your response first thing this morning. this was one of the names that looked familiar. several retailers have these. attempting research on the product line earlier today, i got more info from them than i did from the manufacturer's web_site [ my pet peeve: more presentation, less content ]. rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ free_bsd_questions ] selecting a cpu heatsink / fan combo [ b ]
Chuck Robey wrote: q: would anyone care to wax rhapsodic about any manufacturer with whose heatsink / fan combo product[s] they have had good success ? OK, I will. I got taught, in extremely clear fashion, about the direct linkage between keeping the temperatures low and even, and the ultimate reliability of your system. I won't go into the war story, but most everyone knows this is true, anyhow. I won't go into the fan either, because it's my personal opinion that there are a large selection of good fans. The item I want to extoll is the Ultimate 120 heatsink from Thermalright. Huge heatsink, and the 120mm fan that you get separately mounts on the _side_, not the top, like you might be used to. One look at this, at the great engineering ... well you might possibly find something else as good, but I bet you'd not be able to find anything better. Get that installed, and you can be really certain you didn't short on the CPU cooling. thank you, chuck. wowie, zowie ! --passion-- !!! this tells me something. yes, getting the heat out is the point. 120 mm ? that's an optical disk. bet it's a blowhard. i'm a fool for great engineering. i'm also a fool for a myrna loy film, but, i digress. on the side, eh ? nothing like trying out a new position. this was followed, very soon after, by marc coyles: thank you, marc. 1 - Don't use tip of finger to apply thermal goop unless finger is within a plastic bag. Grease off your skin will detract from the efficiency of the Thermal Bond, and seeing as the TIM bond accounts for a HUGE proportion of a processor-cooling-solution's c/w rating, it's better to pop finger in a bag, and then apply compound. [ wistful sigh ] another fond memory from my youth: gone forever. [ another wistful sigh ] well, that's what we were doing at the big m in schaumburg. it was almost thirty years ago. what did we know ? we were younger and stupider. besides, most of the watts were going out the antenna [ that would be aerial, on your side of the pond ]. it wasn't any good for clothing, either. 2 - Best of the best is still Thermalright, but there is a price premium as always. I generally go with their Ultra120 Extreme as it supports all sockets and all CPUs on the market, so you won't have to bin it if you switch to something else at a later date... And partner it with a decent 120mm fan of your choosing according to your noise preference. Personally I stick with Nexus fans as they're nice n' quiet... another vote, which is why i combined these responses. yeah, well, something that works well is worth something, just to get rid of the aggravation factor. keeping the number of line_items in my qpl few is always good. i'll look into those. you know, i've been ruminating on this point. i'm starting to think that quiet is more important to me than i had previously thought. i do like to put a bunch of 19th_century chamber_music discs into the changer. The above combo is currently sitting atop a Q6600 cpu in my recording studio system and keeps it at 40 deg C full-load in total silence. If you want better cooling, then find a more powerful fan. the recording studio is the acid_test for quiet. [ ever see the size of the box that a three_color_technicolor camera was in, back in the 1930s ? those things were --loud--. two supply reels, two take_up reels, at right_angles to a beam_splitter. no wonder the actors had to loop their dialogue so much. ] that 40 degree number gets my attention. why, that's barely warmer than i am ! 3 - Meh - Thermal Compound performance is much debated, and any testing done on it isn't done to a sufficient quality to give reliable results. Either way, the Thermalright Heatsinks all come with goop that is plenty good enough for most purposes. on this point, i was more concerned if someone had had a bad experience with stuff that just doesn't work. rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ free_bsd_questions ] selecting a cpu heatsink / fan combo [ c ]
Chris Whitehouse wrote: If you haven't already bought your cpu you could check out how much heat different cpu's produce, they vary quite a lot. Lower power = lower heat production = less stress on heatsink/fan (and = lower electricity costs). Also the overclockers websites and forums usually have opinions about heatsinks. Chris thank you, chris. no, i haven't. i hope to get the cpu order out by friday or mon^H^H^Htuesday. i spent all day today on [ mostly ] intel's web_site pointing, clicking and downloading. all very true. i've been looking for such info but intel's web_site isn't too geeky. i --have-- downloaded new copies of data_sheets, though, so, i have some reading to do. [ this internet thing has potential; i just don't request data_books from manufacturers, anymore. ] keeping my electric bill low is high on my list. it is my understanding that the 65_nm p4 consumes less power than the 90_nm p4. i am of two minds about the gaming community. on the one hand, they --do-- push the cpu hard. it's a form of testing. so, their opinion is worth something. on the other hand, i tend to use multiple boxen to split_up the responsibilities, so, my boxen tend to be idle, more so than those of most others, and, therefore, my environment just isn't the same as that of the gamers. apples and oranges. i used to think that overclocking meant 5_% or 10_%. then, today, i saw one report of a 3200_mhz cpu being clocked at over 8000_mhz ! i have, absolutely, no idea if this is, at all, possible. i do know that --my-- cpu will clock within 1_% of rating. almost immediately after the above, this arrived. Wojciech Puchar wrote: If you haven't already bought your cpu you could check out how much heat different cpu's produce, they vary quite a lot. Lower power = lower heat production = less stress on heatsink/fan (and = lower electricity costs). Also the overclockers websites and forums usually have opinions about heatsinks. and of course - make sure then that your motherboard doesn't overclock by default. no, i'm not joking, it's true but it sounds like a joke. thank you, wojciech. ok, let me revise and extend my remarks, i --think-- it will be within 1_% [ it's a plan, anyway ]. i have --never-- heard of this one. maybe, it's because i check every mobo setting at installation time ? are you certain that this isn't propaganda from the joke in redmond ? please explain. rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ free_bsd_questions ] selecting a cpu heatsink / fan combo [ c ]
i have --never-- heard of this one. maybe, it's because i check every mobo setting at installation time ? are you certain that this isn't propaganda from the joke in redmond ? please explain. ASUS Motherboards have their AI system which attempts to automatically overclock any cpu to improve performance as a for instance. Personally, any motherboard that attempts to automatically overclock a CPU should have such features disabled immediately. If any overclocking is gonna get done, I like to be the one in control. If you want to know which CPU would be best for your uses, head to xtremesystems.org forums (ignore rest of the site) and post in the Intel section with what you'll be using the box for, your requirements (in terms of processing power and noise output) and someone over there'll point you out the best CPU for the job. L8rs! Marci ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ free_bsd_questions ] selecting a cpu heatsink / fan combo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 spellberg_robert wrote: greetings, all --- this isn't exactly a free_bsd question, --but--, since free_bsd is popular w/ the i386 crowd and there are many rugged individualists on these lists who like to roll their own, i figure i'll get way less hyperbole and more practical experience here, than at some of the places i've visited today. i had always been able to find the cpu / heatsink / fan as a sub_assembly, so, i didn't have to deal with this issue. i'm making some new boxen to replace some 800mhz_p3, 256mb units which will be re_assigned. i found a mobo i like; d_ram just keeps getting cheaper; etc., etc. i even found a processor that appeals to me, but, it's oem. it's the p4 641 which is 3200 mhz, 65 nm, 775 case. the mobo maxes out at 2048mb, which is just fine. these are probably the last single_core boxen that i will build. now, back in the day, i had acquired the skill of using my index finger to properly apply that white_stuff, from the good folks at wakefield, to the tops of uhf pa transistors, from the good folks at motorola. no, this isn't a case of fear. it's that i don't recognize so many of the manufacturers names. some look familiar, but they might just be similar to something i remember from long ago. q: would anyone care to wax rhapsodic about any manufacturer with whose heatsink / fan combo product[s] they have had good success ? OK, I will. I got taught, in extremely clear fashion, about the direct linkage between keeping the temperatures low and even, and the ultimate reliability of your system. I won't go into the war story, but most everyone knows this is true, anyhow. I won't go into the fan either, because it's my personal opinion that there are a large selection of good fans. The item I want to extoll is the Ultimate 120 heatsink from Thermalright. Huge heatsink, and the 120mm fan that you get separately mounts on the _side_, not the top, like you might be used to. One look at this, at the great engineering ... well you might possibly find something else as good, but I bet you'd not be able to find anything better. Get that installed, and you can be really certain you didn't short on the CPU cooling. q: is there a short list of manufacturers who are generally accepted as producers of reliable products [ as is, e. g., antec, for cases and power_supplies ] ? q: conversely, are there any manufacturers with justifiably bad reputations ? i have seen several diameters described as appropriate for the 775. q: should i prefer any particular size ? wakefield is still around, but there are other names. q: are there any opinions, pro or con, about thermal compounds ? noise_level is not a criterion in this situation. i'll err on the side of more cf/m. money doesn't appear to be an issue. i've seen a range of $_10 to $_130, so far, but, most are $_15 to $_30 or so. thanks in advance for any advice. please cc. rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAki0Cj8ACgkQz62J6PPcoOlAGACeJQGL9lcY5idUvRMIt+apF5d8 7k4Anipx+yCRA0HMuMdpDVQUqTwxEz5u =Sduw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ free_bsd_questions ] selecting a cpu heatsink / fan combo
greetings, all --- this isn't exactly a free_bsd question, --but--, since free_bsd is popular w/ the i386 crowd and there are many rugged individualists on these lists who like to roll their own, i figure i'll get way less hyperbole and more practical experience here, than at some of the places i've visited today. 1 - Don't use tip of finger to apply thermal goop unless finger is within a plastic bag. Grease off your skin will detract from the efficiency of the Thermal Bond, and seeing as the TIM bond accounts for a HUGE proportion of a processor-cooling-solution's c/w rating, it's better to pop finger in a bag, and then apply compound. 2 - Best of the best is still Thermalright, but there is a price premium as always. I generally go with their Ultra120 Extreme as it supports all sockets and all CPUs on the market, so you won't have to bin it if you switch to something else at a later date... And partner it with a decent 120mm fan of your choosing according to your noise preference. Personally I stick with Nexus fans as they're nice n' quiet... The above combo is currently sitting atop a Q6600 cpu in my recording studio system and keeps it at 40 deg C full-load in total silence. If you want better cooling, then find a more powerful fan. 3 - Meh - Thermal Compound performance is much debated, and any testing done on it isn't done to a sufficient quality to give reliable results. Either way, the Thermalright Heatsinks all come with goop that is plenty good enough for most purposes. L8rs! Marci (ex Over-Clock UK / ThermoChill Radiators) ICT Support - Horbury School ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ free_bsd_questions ] selecting a cpu heatsink / fan combo
spellberg_robert wrote: greetings, all --- q: would anyone care to wax rhapsodic about any manufacturer with whose heatsink / fan combo product[s] they have had good success ? If you haven't already bought your cpu you could check out how much heat different cpu's produce, they vary quite a lot. Lower power = lower heat production = less stress on heatsink/fan (and = lower electricity costs). Also the overclockers websites and forums usually have opinions about heatsinks. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ free_bsd_questions ] selecting a cpu heatsink / fan combo
If you haven't already bought your cpu you could check out how much heat different cpu's produce, they vary quite a lot. Lower power = lower heat production = less stress on heatsink/fan (and = lower electricity costs). Also the overclockers websites and forums usually have opinions about heatsinks. and of course - make sure then that your motherboard doesn't overclock by default. no, i'm not joking, it's true but it sounds like a joke. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ free_bsd_questions ] selecting a cpu heatsink / fan combo
greetings, all --- this isn't exactly a free_bsd question, --but--, since free_bsd is popular w/ the i386 crowd and there are many rugged individualists on these lists who like to roll their own, i figure i'll get way less hyperbole and more practical experience here, than at some of the places i've visited today. i had always been able to find the cpu / heatsink / fan as a sub_assembly, so, i didn't have to deal with this issue. i'm making some new boxen to replace some 800mhz_p3, 256mb units which will be re_assigned. i found a mobo i like; d_ram just keeps getting cheaper; etc., etc. i even found a processor that appeals to me, but, it's oem. it's the p4 641 which is 3200 mhz, 65 nm, 775 case. the mobo maxes out at 2048mb, which is just fine. these are probably the last single_core boxen that i will build. now, back in the day, i had acquired the skill of using my index finger to properly apply that white_stuff, from the good folks at wakefield, to the tops of uhf pa transistors, from the good folks at motorola. no, this isn't a case of fear. it's that i don't recognize so many of the manufacturers names. some look familiar, but they might just be similar to something i remember from long ago. q: would anyone care to wax rhapsodic about any manufacturer with whose heatsink / fan combo product[s] they have had good success ? q: is there a short list of manufacturers who are generally accepted as producers of reliable products [ as is, e. g., antec, for cases and power_supplies ] ? q: conversely, are there any manufacturers with justifiably bad reputations ? i have seen several diameters described as appropriate for the 775. q: should i prefer any particular size ? wakefield is still around, but there are other names. q: are there any opinions, pro or con, about thermal compounds ? noise_level is not a criterion in this situation. i'll err on the side of more cf/m. money doesn't appear to be an issue. i've seen a range of $_10 to $_130, so far, but, most are $_15 to $_30 or so. thanks in advance for any advice. please cc. rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ free_bsd_questions ] selecting a cpu heatsink / fan combo
Mark Picone, Trainee Unix Administrator Information Technology Services Division Phone: 03 5227 8602 International: +61 3 5227 0806 Fax: 03 5227 8799 International: +61 3 5227 8799 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.deakin.edu.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of spellberg_robert Sent: Tuesday, 26 August 2008 11:31 AM To: fbsd_questions Subject: [ free_bsd_questions ] selecting a cpu heatsink / fan combo greetings, all --- this isn't exactly a free_bsd question, --but--, since free_bsd is popular w/ the i386 crowd and there are many rugged individualists on these lists who like to roll their own, i figure i'll get way less hyperbole and more practical experience here, than at some of the places i've visited today. i had always been able to find the cpu / heatsink / fan as a sub_assembly, so, i didn't have to deal with this issue. i'm making some new boxen to replace some 800mhz_p3, 256mb units which will be re_assigned. i found a mobo i like; d_ram just keeps getting cheaper; etc., etc. i even found a processor that appeals to me, but, it's oem. it's the p4 641 which is 3200 mhz, 65 nm, 775 case. the mobo maxes out at 2048mb, which is just fine. these are probably the last single_core boxen that i will build. now, back in the day, i had acquired the skill of using my index finger to properly apply that white_stuff, from the good folks at wakefield, to the tops of uhf pa transistors, from the good folks at motorola. no, this isn't a case of fear. it's that i don't recognize so many of the manufacturers names. some look familiar, but they might just be similar to something i remember from long ago. q: would anyone care to wax rhapsodic about any manufacturer with whose heatsink / fan combo product[s] they have had good success ? IMO: Pure copper zalman heatsink/fan combo (cant go wrong) q: is there a short list of manufacturers who are generally accepted as producers of reliable products [ as is, e. g., antec, for cases and power_supplies ] ? IMO: Antec/Super Micro q: conversely, are there any manufacturers with justifiably bad reputations ? i have seen several diameters described as appropriate for the 775. q: should i prefer any particular size ? No wakefield is still around, but there are other names. q: are there any opinions, pro or con, about thermal compounds ? Eh? We are talking a few degrees here. noise_level is not a criterion in this situation. i'll err on the side of more cf/m. money doesn't appear to be an issue. i've seen a range of $_10 to $_130, so far, but, most are $_15 to $_30 or so. thanks in advance for any advice. please cc. rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
