Bcc field viewable in Mutt generated e-mails

2003-07-08 Thread Wayne Pascoe
Hi all,

If I send an e-mail in mutt and bcc some recipients, I seem to be able
to see the BCC headers in the received e-mails. Now to my mind, this
defeats the object of Bcc.

This e-mail was bcc'd to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Can anyone tell me how to disable this? Is this a mutt issue or an exim
issue ? 

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Re: Bcc field viewable in Mutt generated e-mails

2003-07-08 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 09:45:27AM +0100, Wayne Pascoe wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 If I send an e-mail in mutt and bcc some recipients, I seem to be able
 to see the BCC headers in the received e-mails. Now to my mind, this
 defeats the object of Bcc.
 
 This e-mail was bcc'd to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I don't see any evidence of that in the message headers (check the
message yourself on http://docs.freebsd.org).  What makes you think
otherwise?

Kris


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Re: Bcc field viewable in Mutt generated e-mails

2003-07-08 Thread Wayne Pascoe
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 02:04:47AM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 09:45:27AM +0100, Wayne Pascoe wrote:
  Hi all,
  
  If I send an e-mail in mutt and bcc some recipients, I seem to be able
  to see the BCC headers in the received e-mails. Now to my mind, this
  defeats the object of Bcc.
  
  This e-mail was bcc'd to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 I don't see any evidence of that in the message headers (check the
 message yourself on http://docs.freebsd.org).  What makes you think
 otherwise?

I send a message from my work machine running mutt to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I also bcc that message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I then retrieve the message on my home machine using fetchmail, filter
it with procmail and open it in mutt

Viewing the headers, I can see 
Bcc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
and this is on the mydomain.com address.

I only noticed it because someone pointed out to me that my messages
were coming complete with Bcc fields.

I would guess that possibly the listmanager is removing the bcc field,
so I have included you in this reply and bcc'd it to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Regards,

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Re: Bcc field viewable in Mutt generated e-mails

2003-07-08 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 10:22:26AM +0100, Wayne Pascoe wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 02:04:47AM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote:
  On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 09:45:27AM +0100, Wayne Pascoe wrote:
   Hi all,
   
   If I send an e-mail in mutt and bcc some recipients, I seem to be able
   to see the BCC headers in the received e-mails. Now to my mind, this
   defeats the object of Bcc.
   
   This e-mail was bcc'd to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  I don't see any evidence of that in the message headers (check the
  message yourself on http://docs.freebsd.org).  What makes you think
  otherwise?
 
 I send a message from my work machine running mutt to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 I also bcc that message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 I then retrieve the message on my home machine using fetchmail, filter
 it with procmail and open it in mutt
 
 Viewing the headers, I can see 
 Bcc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 and this is on the mydomain.com address.
 
 I only noticed it because someone pointed out to me that my messages
 were coming complete with Bcc fields.
 
 I would guess that possibly the listmanager is removing the bcc field,
 so I have included you in this reply and bcc'd it to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I still see no bcc in this message.  The relevant headers are:

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:22:26 +0100
From: Wayne Pascoe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Bcc field viewable in Mutt generated e-mails
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i
X-System: FreeBSD i386 with kernel 4.8-STABLE
Sender: Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Kris


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Re: Bcc field viewable in Mutt generated e-mails

2003-07-08 Thread Daniel Bye
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 04:44:22AM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote:
 I still see no bcc in this message.  The relevant headers are:

Not in these examples, maybe - however, I have tested my config (Mutt
1.4.1i, Exim 4.20.1, FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE), and see the same behaviour.  A
test message sent from my home account to my work account, and Bcc:'d to an
alias on the home account, results in the Bcc: field appearing in the
headers of the copy received at work. 

These are the From:, To: and Bcc: from the copy sent to the work address:

From: Daniel Bye [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bcc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


The Bcc: also shows up (naturally enough) in the copy received by www@, but
I, like the OP, am baffled as to why it is visible in the copy received at
work.

A search on Google turned up this http://tony.rocks.cc/muttrc - a forward
search for bcc reveals:

unset write_bcc   # Exim does not removes Bcc headers

So, adding this to mutt's config results in:

From: Daniel Bye [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dan Bye [EMAIL PROTECTED]

and no Bcc: where it don't belong!

I see you are using Exim, as well, Wayne - try `unset write_bcc' in your
~/.muttrc.

HTH

Dan
 

 
 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:22:26 +0100
 From: Wayne Pascoe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Bcc field viewable in Mutt generated e-mails
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 +[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Mime-Version: 1.0
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 Content-Disposition: inline
 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i
 X-System: FreeBSD i386 with kernel 4.8-STABLE
 Sender: Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Bcc field viewable in Mutt generated e-mails

2003-07-08 Thread Chuck Swiger
Wayne Pascoe wrote:
If I send an e-mail in mutt and bcc some recipients, I seem to be able
to see the BCC headers in the received e-mails. Now to my mind, this
defeats the object of Bcc.
You're quite right.

This e-mail was bcc'd to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No BCC: header made it this far, not surprisingly-- the FreeBSD MX's would trim it.

Can anyone tell me how to disable this? Is this a mutt issue or an exim
issue ?
exim, I would think, although that might depend on whether mutt is calling exim 
via the command line, or sending mail via SMTP.

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