Re: Burning DVD-R's
On Dec 29, 2003, at 7:43 PM, Brett Glass wrote: At 03:31 PM 12/29/2003, Charles Swiger wrote: Meaning what? You want to make sure the software really works with DVD-R, but you are not willing to test the software yourself? I didn't say that. However, if there's an alternative that's a sure winner, I'd likely want to go with that instead rather than wasting time on something that might not work. Fair enough. I don't know how to make burncd burn DVD-R's. People have been able to use the port I mentioned to burn DVD-R's, at least if their hardware is capable of doing so. The code is also GPLed. I'm looking, if at all possible, for an all-BSD solution. Is the license actually a genuine concern, or are you inventing excuses? The license is a very great concern, for reasons I've mentioned elsewhere. We like to be able to look at and tweak the software we use, and we can't look at GPLed code for legal reasons. Well, you've done me the courtesy of answering my question. I do not see why the GPL would prevent you from looking at or modifying DVD+RW-tools if you wanted to-- unless you plan on selling or redistributing closed-source DVD-burning software (seems unlikely)-- but it doesn't matter whether I understand these "legal reasons" or not. Also, no BSD-based operating system should be dependent upon GPLed code. I'm glad to see that Jeroen and others are working on alternative toolchain components. My opinion is that FreeBSD is better off having tools like "less" as part of the OS. Come to think of it, "less" is now dual-licensed under both a BSD-style license and the GPL. Perhaps you could ask Andy whether he would be willing to make dvd+rw-tools available for your use under a different license? -- -Chuck ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Burning DVD-R's
At 03:31 PM 12/29/2003, Charles Swiger wrote: >>From what I can tell, though, this software is really meant to work >>with DVD+R, which records a little more than half as fast as DVD-R. >>I need the speed, and so need to make sure it really works with DVD-R. > >Meaning what? You want to make sure the software really works with DVD-R, but you >are not willing to test the software yourself? I didn't say that. However, if there's an alternative that's a sure winner, I'd likely want to go with that instead rather than wasting time on something that might not work. >>I'm worried that this ziggurat of utilities will not be anywhere near >>as reliable as a simple utility that goes directly to the ATAPI drive. > >Your concern could be resolved by verifying the data after you burn it to DVD, which, >come to think of it, is a really fine idea when using any type of backup or archival >mechanism. These discs won't just be for archival purposes. >>The code is also GPLed. I'm looking, if at all possible, for an all-BSD >>solution. > >Is the license actually a genuine concern, or are you inventing excuses? The license is a very great concern, for reasons I've mentioned elsewhere. We like to be able to look at and tweak the software we use, and we can't look at GPLed code for legal reasons. Also, no BSD-based operating system should be dependent upon GPLed code. I'm glad to see that Jeroen and others are working on alternative toolchain components. --Brett Glass ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Burning DVD-R's
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 05:31:21PM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote: > On Dec 29, 2003, at 4:18 PM, Brett Glass wrote: > >At 01:42 PM 12/29/2003, Charles Swiger wrote: > >>Yes, FreeBSD can burn DVD-R's. Please see > >>/usr/ports/sysutils/dvd+rw-tools. > > > >I've taken a look at this port. Unfortunately, it's REALLY hard to > >figure out the documentation (which consists of a few Web pages written > >in very contorted -- almost unreadable -- English). > > The man page for growisofs is the primary documentation; it's not a > gem, but neither does it strike me as being far less understandable > than "man burncd", "man mkisofs", or other documentation related to > this topic. I agree (for whatever that is worth :-) > > >From what I can tell, though, this software is really meant to work > >with DVD+R, which records a little more than half as fast as DVD-R. > >I need the speed, and so need to make sure it really works with DVD-R. > > Meaning what? You want to make sure the software really works with > DVD-R, but you are not willing to test the software yourself? Hmm... Well I tried it and it does work with DVD-RW :-) And while the documentation could use some improvement it does state you can use DVD-R. > > >Also, it looks as if this port runs on top of another utility called > >"cdrecord", which itself runs on top of an ATAPI-to-SCSI shim. > > dvd+rw-tools depends on mkisofs (aka sysutils/cdrtools). > For ATAPI burner devices, it will use ATAPI/CAM. I use the "shim" with no problems at all. > > >I'm worried that this ziggurat of utilities will not be anywhere near > >as reliable as a simple utility that goes directly to the ATAPI drive. Well that all depends on your philosophy regarding tools. > > Your concern could be resolved by verifying the data after you burn it > to DVD, which, come to think of it, is a really fine idea when using > any type of backup or archival mechanism. An excellent suggestion. I'm paranoid when doing my backups. After I do them I do a restore -N. If you want to be really check things do an actual restore to a different location and do md5sum's to compare the files. Marc -- Marc Wiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, that really is my last name. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Burning DVD-R's
On Dec 29, 2003, at 4:18 PM, Brett Glass wrote: At 01:42 PM 12/29/2003, Charles Swiger wrote: Yes, FreeBSD can burn DVD-R's. Please see /usr/ports/sysutils/dvd+rw-tools. I've taken a look at this port. Unfortunately, it's REALLY hard to figure out the documentation (which consists of a few Web pages written in very contorted -- almost unreadable -- English). The man page for growisofs is the primary documentation; it's not a gem, but neither does it strike me as being far less understandable than "man burncd", "man mkisofs", or other documentation related to this topic. From what I can tell, though, this software is really meant to work with DVD+R, which records a little more than half as fast as DVD-R. I need the speed, and so need to make sure it really works with DVD-R. Meaning what? You want to make sure the software really works with DVD-R, but you are not willing to test the software yourself? Hmm... Also, it looks as if this port runs on top of another utility called "cdrecord", which itself runs on top of an ATAPI-to-SCSI shim. dvd+rw-tools depends on mkisofs (aka sysutils/cdrtools). For ATAPI burner devices, it will use ATAPI/CAM. I'm worried that this ziggurat of utilities will not be anywhere near as reliable as a simple utility that goes directly to the ATAPI drive. Your concern could be resolved by verifying the data after you burn it to DVD, which, come to think of it, is a really fine idea when using any type of backup or archival mechanism. The code is also GPLed. I'm looking, if at all possible, for an all-BSD solution. Is the license actually a genuine concern, or are you inventing excuses? Sigh. FreeBSD contains lots of GPL'ed code: see /usr/src/gnu and /usr/src/contrib! -- -Chuck PS: You're welcome to use whatever software you want, of course, but the problem you want to solve and issues you raised aren't particularly congruent. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Burning DVD-R's
At 01:42 PM 12/29/2003, Charles Swiger wrote: >Yes, FreeBSD can burn DVD-R's. Please see /usr/ports/sysutils/dvd+rw-tools. I've taken a look at this port. Unfortunately, it's REALLY hard to figure out the documentation (which consists of a few Web pages written in very contorted -- almost unreadable -- English). From what I can tell, though, this software is really meant to work with DVD+R, which records a little more than half as fast as DVD-R. I need the speed, and so need to make sure it really works with DVD-R. Also, it looks as if this port runs on top of another utility called "cdrecord", which itself runs on top of an ATAPI-to-SCSI shim. I'm worried that this ziggurat of utilities will not be anywhere near as reliable as a simple utility that goes directly to the ATAPI drive. The code is also GPLed. I'm looking, if at all possible, for an all-BSD solution. Does such exist? The man page for FreeBSD's "burncd" command hints that it can can write DVDs, but doesn't say how. --Brett ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Burning DVD-R's
On Dec 29, 2003, at 2:57 PM, Brett Glass wrote: Due to inevitable code and data bloat, I need to begin burning DVD-R's instead of CD-R's. However, the man page for FreeBSD's burncd(8) utility doesn't mention whether (or how) FreeBSD is capable of doing this on the Memorex ATAPI drive I have at hand. Can anyone tell me (a) whether FreeBSD can burn DVD-R's; (b) whether it wil work with this drive; and (c) what commands are required to do the burning? All info much appreciated. Yes, FreeBSD can burn DVD-R's. Please see /usr/ports/sysutils/dvd+rw-tools. This port should work fine with an ATAPI burner such as your unit, but you may need to rebuild the kernel with: device atapicam The command used is called "growisofs" and invokes "mkisofs" as needed as a dependency. The manpage includes the following examples: " To master and burn an ISO9660 volume with Joliet and Rock-Ridge exten- sions on a DVD: growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /some/files To append more data to same DVD: growisofs -M /dev/dvd -R -J /more/files Make sure to use the same options for both inital burning and following sessions. To use growisofs to write a pre-mastered ISO-image to a DVD: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso where image.iso represents an arbitrary object in the filesystem, such as file, named pipe or device entry. Nothing is growing here and com- mand name is not intuitive in this context." -- -Chuck ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Burning DVD-R's
> drive I have at hand. Can anyone tell me (a) whether FreeBSD can burn DVD-R's; > (b) whether it wil work with this drive; and (c) what commands are required to > do the burning? All info much appreciated. Check this link. It might help you. http://www.whiterose.net/~mrpink/freebsd/dvdr.php ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Burning DVD-R's
Due to inevitable code and data bloat, I need to begin burning DVD-R's instead of CD-R's. However, the man page for FreeBSD's burncd(8) utility doesn't mention whether (or how) FreeBSD is capable of doing this on the Memorex ATAPI drive I have at hand. Can anyone tell me (a) whether FreeBSD can burn DVD-R's; (b) whether it wil work with this drive; and (c) what commands are required to do the burning? All info much appreciated. --Brett Glass ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
