RE: CDROM Boot Hangs But Only Under 6.x

2007-12-28 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


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 Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 11:15 PM
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 Subject: Re: CDROM Boot Hangs But Only Under 6.x


 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
 SNIP


 
  If your MB is new it should work.  Older MB's have problems with
  the new way to boot off an optical cd.  You can try BIOS/CMOS
  updates from the motherbard mfg if they are available.  Sometimes
  even back-flashing to older BIOS fixes it.

 This is a brand new ABIT mobo w/latest bios on board.

 
  3) Reordering/removing memory sticks made no difference.  I am running
  a memory test ATM just to be sure, but so far, the memory
 seems fine.
 
  4) No amount of poking around in the BIOS settings seems to
 help either.
 
  I am starting to suspect the MOBO.  If I stick a couple of cards in the
  two available PCI slots, the system has trouble taking me into the BIOS
  screen.  I have to remove the cards to reliably get into the BIOS
  settings menu.  I wonder if this is one of those situations where there
  are not enough IRQs to go around.
 
 
  If it's a new MB the PCI cards are probably too old/slow to work right.

 I thought that even modern PCI busses would fall back to the old
 speeds.  I've had not trouble with any of my other rather new
 mobos, running, say, old Adaptec controllers.

 
  Another thing to check is if the MB has any overclock settings turned
  on, these will screw up booting, going into BIOS, and some PCI cards.
  Go to BIOS and select reset to factory settings which turns off all
  the go-fast stuff.  And make sure you confirm the CPU speed in BIOS
  with the actual speed stamped on the CPU.

 I've reset the BIOS to the most conservative mode, no overclocking, etc.

 
  Sometimes you just got to stick a floppy disk drive on the thing and
  boot from the 4 boot floppies then do an FTP install.  I have about
  a dozen servers among the collection I manage that are like this -
  some are even newer ones.

 I would *love* to know just where boot is getting lost.  In the case
 of your servers, do you see the same symptoms I am seeing: The
 kernel loading progress prompt gets painted (most of the time,
 sometimes it does not even make it that far) and the booting
 seizes up?


No, they won't even load the boot loader.  The symptoms your describing
are classic for PIO/UDMA negotiation issues.  In other words, the
connection from the atapi controller to the optical drive is being
negotiated by BIOS as UDMA and negotiated by the FreeBSD boot kernel
as UDMA but a bug somewhere is causing the bus to corrupt data.  The
usual fix is to switch to PIO mode.  The only problem with this
is that you have already swapped optical drives, and I'd assume that
at least one of the swaps didn't support UDMA mode (thus forcing
PIO mode) you also said you already checked this, and even if it did
negotiate UDMA it would be UDMA33 not anything faster that would require
the special high speed IDE cables so we can probably rule out a
crap CDROM cable.  Lastly, the default on the ata driver is supposed
to be PIO mode anyway for optical drives.

Ted

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RE: CDROM Boot Hangs But Only Under 6.x

2007-12-28 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


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 Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 1:07 PM
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 This was a brand new Abit LG-95Z mobo.  The solution was to return it
 and get an Intel mobo instead.  Problem fixed.

Thanks for letting us know this was a problem board.  I would strongly
request you let Abit know what happened as well.  It is only through
feedback like this that motherboard manufacturers will actually test
their stuff under FreeBSD.

Ted
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Re: CDROM Boot Hangs But Only Under 6.x

2007-12-27 Thread David M. Patronis




Not in this case.  As I mentioned in a prior post, I tried booting
with the 7.0-BETA4 ISO and got the exact same results.

Response:

Yes, sorry about that; was in too much of a hurry and missed the later 
posts.


David





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Re: CDROM Boot Hangs But Only Under 6.x

2007-12-27 Thread Tim Kellers
I have 18 brand new Gateway towers at work (I can supply the model 
numbers after school restarts next week).  I wanted to clone them using 
dd and an external usb hard drive.  I couldn't boot 6.x or 7.x  CDs on 
any of the boxes, but I was able to install 7 (I didn't try 6.x) on a 
usb stick, set the BIOS to boot from the device and run FreeBSD (and dd) 
from there.


These machines have CDRW/DVDR drives installed.  I've had no problem 
running any content based media from them at all, but I haven't tried 
booting any other media (like WinXP) from them, either.


Tim

David M. Patronis wrote:




Not in this case.  As I mentioned in a prior post, I tried booting
with the 7.0-BETA4 ISO and got the exact same results.

Response:

Yes, sorry about that; was in too much of a hurry and missed the later 
posts.


David





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Re: CDROM Boot Hangs But Only Under 6.x

2007-12-26 Thread NetOpsCenter

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 25/12/2007, Tim Daneliuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

I am building a new server out of both older and brand new
components.  It is based on a Pentium D 925 and ABIT LG-95Z
mobo.  The DVD-RW is a Lite-On about a year old with very
low hours on it.

So ... here's a fun one:  I can boot and install FreeBSD 4.x (CD)
or Novell SUSE Enterprise Linux Desktop 10 SP1 (DVD) via the
DVD.  But attempting to do this with 6.x (I have tried 6.2R and
6.3-PRE disk #1) causes a hang during boot.  The loader gets
as far as showing the vertical bar that ordinarily spins
to show intitial kernel loading progress and the the machine
just sits there.  There is some further activity on the optical
drive at this point and then the cursor sort of jumps around a bit.

I've not yet tried swapping the optical drive out - though I doubt
this is the problem since I can load the other OSs.  I've tried
removing and moving memory sticks in case this is a flakey
memory problem - no change.  I've tried removing the only
two cards in the machine: 3COM 905C-TX and an Adaptec 2940UW -
no change.

I have one last ditch thing I will try later tonight which is
to force the DVD IDE port into PIO mode and out of DMA mode.
But that's it.  I am stumped.  Ideas anyone?




If it is not hardware, check your bios settings (and mayhap
set back to default or very conservative) (of which the PIO
trick may work).

Also, 7.0 ran extremely well for me back in Sept., you might
try it as an alternative.

HTH

  

Aloha,

I had the same problem with a couple of older mobo's . I ended up 
loading 6.* on a hd on a different machine that I knew worked. I 
physically moved it to the problem box and it Worked.


I think the issue could be the size or the type of HD in my case. Some 
older mobo bios jam up when a HD is more than 60 gig I have found.



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Re: CDROM Boot Hangs But Only Under 6.x

2007-12-26 Thread Tim Daneliuk

NetOpsCenter wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 25/12/2007, Tim Daneliuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

I am building a new server out of both older and brand new
components.  It is based on a Pentium D 925 and ABIT LG-95Z
mobo.  The DVD-RW is a Lite-On about a year old with very
low hours on it.

So ... here's a fun one:  I can boot and install FreeBSD 4.x (CD)
or Novell SUSE Enterprise Linux Desktop 10 SP1 (DVD) via the
DVD.  But attempting to do this with 6.x (I have tried 6.2R and
6.3-PRE disk #1) causes a hang during boot.  The loader gets
as far as showing the vertical bar that ordinarily spins
to show intitial kernel loading progress and the the machine
just sits there.  There is some further activity on the optical
drive at this point and then the cursor sort of jumps around a bit.

I've not yet tried swapping the optical drive out - though I doubt
this is the problem since I can load the other OSs.  I've tried
removing and moving memory sticks in case this is a flakey
memory problem - no change.  I've tried removing the only
two cards in the machine: 3COM 905C-TX and an Adaptec 2940UW -
no change.

I have one last ditch thing I will try later tonight which is
to force the DVD IDE port into PIO mode and out of DMA mode.
But that's it.  I am stumped.  Ideas anyone?




If it is not hardware, check your bios settings (and mayhap
set back to default or very conservative) (of which the PIO
trick may work).

Also, 7.0 ran extremely well for me back in Sept., you might
try it as an alternative.

HTH

  

Aloha,

I had the same problem with a couple of older mobo's . I ended up 
loading 6.* on a hd on a different machine that I knew worked. I 
physically moved it to the problem box and it Worked.


I think the issue could be the size or the type of HD in my case. Some 
older mobo bios jam up when a HD is more than 60 gig I have found.



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 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + [EMAIL PROTECTED] +
 + http://aloha50.net   - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* +
All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol



This was a brand new Abit LG-95Z mobo.  The solution was to return it
and get an Intel mobo instead.  Problem fixed.
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Re: CDROM Boot Hangs But Only Under 6.x

2007-12-26 Thread Tim Daneliuk

David M. Patronis wrote:

Tim Daneliuk wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 25/12/2007, Tim Daneliuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am building a new server out of both older and brand new
components.  It is based on a Pentium D 925 and ABIT LG-95Z
mobo.  The DVD-RW is a Lite-On about a year old with very
low hours on it.

So ... here's a fun one:  I can boot and install FreeBSD 4.x (CD)
or Novell SUSE Enterprise Linux Desktop 10 SP1 (DVD) via the
DVD.  But attempting to do this with 6.x (I have tried 6.2R and
6.3-PRE disk #1) causes a hang during boot.  The loader gets
as far as showing the vertical bar that ordinarily spins
to show intitial kernel loading progress and the the machine
just sits there.  There is some further activity on the optical
drive at this point and then the cursor sort of jumps around a bit.

I've not yet tried swapping the optical drive out - though I doubt
this is the problem since I can load the other OSs.  I've tried
removing and moving memory sticks in case this is a flakey
memory problem - no change.  I've tried removing the only
two cards in the machine: 3COM 905C-TX and an Adaptec 2940UW -
no change.

I have one last ditch thing I will try later tonight which is
to force the DVD IDE port into PIO mode and out of DMA mode.
But that's it.  I am stumped.  Ideas anyone?



If it is not hardware, check your bios settings (and mayhap
set back to default or very conservative) (of which the PIO
trick may work).




I just swapped out the optical drive with a CD-RW - exact same
symptoms.  Fiddling w/BIOS, seems to make no difference, though
I am still poking at it.  I am utterly lost - never seen
very standard hardware like this that FreeBSD could/would not
boot and run on ...

Response:

Its probably an issue with the 6X series. I have experienced something 
similar and just spoke to someone via this list with a similar problem. 
In all cases thus far we were able to install using the 7X series.


David


Not in this case.  As I mentioned in a prior post, I tried booting
with the 7.0-BETA4 ISO and got the exact same results.


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Re: CDROM Boot Hangs But Only Under 6.x

2007-12-26 Thread David M. Patronis

Tim Daneliuk wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 25/12/2007, Tim Daneliuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am building a new server out of both older and brand new
components.  It is based on a Pentium D 925 and ABIT LG-95Z
mobo.  The DVD-RW is a Lite-On about a year old with very
low hours on it.

So ... here's a fun one:  I can boot and install FreeBSD 4.x (CD)
or Novell SUSE Enterprise Linux Desktop 10 SP1 (DVD) via the
DVD.  But attempting to do this with 6.x (I have tried 6.2R and
6.3-PRE disk #1) causes a hang during boot.  The loader gets
as far as showing the vertical bar that ordinarily spins
to show intitial kernel loading progress and the the machine
just sits there.  There is some further activity on the optical
drive at this point and then the cursor sort of jumps around a bit.

I've not yet tried swapping the optical drive out - though I doubt
this is the problem since I can load the other OSs.  I've tried
removing and moving memory sticks in case this is a flakey
memory problem - no change.  I've tried removing the only
two cards in the machine: 3COM 905C-TX and an Adaptec 2940UW -
no change.

I have one last ditch thing I will try later tonight which is
to force the DVD IDE port into PIO mode and out of DMA mode.
But that's it.  I am stumped.  Ideas anyone?



If it is not hardware, check your bios settings (and mayhap
set back to default or very conservative) (of which the PIO
trick may work).




I just swapped out the optical drive with a CD-RW - exact same
symptoms.  Fiddling w/BIOS, seems to make no difference, though
I am still poking at it.  I am utterly lost - never seen
very standard hardware like this that FreeBSD could/would not
boot and run on ...

Response:

Its probably an issue with the 6X series. I have experienced something 
similar and just spoke to someone via this list with a similar problem. 
In all cases thus far we were able to install using the 7X series.


David







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CDROM Boot Hangs But Only Under 6.x

2007-12-25 Thread Tim Daneliuk

I am building a new server out of both older and brand new
components.  It is based on a Pentium D 925 and ABIT LG-95Z
mobo.  The DVD-RW is a Lite-On about a year old with very
low hours on it.

So ... here's a fun one:  I can boot and install FreeBSD 4.x (CD)
or Novell SUSE Enterprise Linux Desktop 10 SP1 (DVD) via the
DVD.  But attempting to do this with 6.x (I have tried 6.2R and
6.3-PRE disk #1) causes a hang during boot.  The loader gets
as far as showing the vertical bar that ordinarily spins
to show intitial kernel loading progress and the the machine
just sits there.  There is some further activity on the optical
drive at this point and then the cursor sort of jumps around a bit.

I've not yet tried swapping the optical drive out - though I doubt
this is the problem since I can load the other OSs.  I've tried
removing and moving memory sticks in case this is a flakey
memory problem - no change.  I've tried removing the only
two cards in the machine: 3COM 905C-TX and an Adaptec 2940UW -
no change.

I have one last ditch thing I will try later tonight which is
to force the DVD IDE port into PIO mode and out of DMA mode.
But that's it.  I am stumped.  Ideas anyone?

TIA,
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Re: CDROM Boot Hangs But Only Under 6.x

2007-12-25 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 25/12/2007, Tim Daneliuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am building a new server out of both older and brand new
 components.  It is based on a Pentium D 925 and ABIT LG-95Z
 mobo.  The DVD-RW is a Lite-On about a year old with very
 low hours on it.

 So ... here's a fun one:  I can boot and install FreeBSD 4.x (CD)
 or Novell SUSE Enterprise Linux Desktop 10 SP1 (DVD) via the
 DVD.  But attempting to do this with 6.x (I have tried 6.2R and
 6.3-PRE disk #1) causes a hang during boot.  The loader gets
 as far as showing the vertical bar that ordinarily spins
 to show intitial kernel loading progress and the the machine
 just sits there.  There is some further activity on the optical
 drive at this point and then the cursor sort of jumps around a bit.

 I've not yet tried swapping the optical drive out - though I doubt
 this is the problem since I can load the other OSs.  I've tried
 removing and moving memory sticks in case this is a flakey
 memory problem - no change.  I've tried removing the only
 two cards in the machine: 3COM 905C-TX and an Adaptec 2940UW -
 no change.

 I have one last ditch thing I will try later tonight which is
 to force the DVD IDE port into PIO mode and out of DMA mode.
 But that's it.  I am stumped.  Ideas anyone?


If it is not hardware, check your bios settings (and mayhap
set back to default or very conservative) (of which the PIO
trick may work).

Also, 7.0 ran extremely well for me back in Sept., you might
try it as an alternative.

HTH

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Re: CDROM Boot Hangs But Only Under 6.x

2007-12-25 Thread Tim Daneliuk

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 25/12/2007, Tim Daneliuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am building a new server out of both older and brand new
components.  It is based on a Pentium D 925 and ABIT LG-95Z
mobo.  The DVD-RW is a Lite-On about a year old with very
low hours on it.

So ... here's a fun one:  I can boot and install FreeBSD 4.x (CD)
or Novell SUSE Enterprise Linux Desktop 10 SP1 (DVD) via the
DVD.  But attempting to do this with 6.x (I have tried 6.2R and
6.3-PRE disk #1) causes a hang during boot.  The loader gets
as far as showing the vertical bar that ordinarily spins
to show intitial kernel loading progress and the the machine
just sits there.  There is some further activity on the optical
drive at this point and then the cursor sort of jumps around a bit.

I've not yet tried swapping the optical drive out - though I doubt
this is the problem since I can load the other OSs.  I've tried
removing and moving memory sticks in case this is a flakey
memory problem - no change.  I've tried removing the only
two cards in the machine: 3COM 905C-TX and an Adaptec 2940UW -
no change.

I have one last ditch thing I will try later tonight which is
to force the DVD IDE port into PIO mode and out of DMA mode.
But that's it.  I am stumped.  Ideas anyone?



If it is not hardware, check your bios settings (and mayhap
set back to default or very conservative) (of which the PIO
trick may work).




I just swapped out the optical drive with a CD-RW - exact same
symptoms.  Fiddling w/BIOS, seems to make no difference, though
I am still poking at it.  I am utterly lost - never seen
very standard hardware like this that FreeBSD could/would not
boot and run on ...



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Re: CDROM Boot Hangs But Only Under 6.x

2007-12-25 Thread Tim Daneliuk

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 25/12/2007, Tim Daneliuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am building a new server out of both older and brand new
components.  It is based on a Pentium D 925 and ABIT LG-95Z
mobo.  The DVD-RW is a Lite-On about a year old with very
low hours on it.

So ... here's a fun one:  I can boot and install FreeBSD 4.x (CD)
or Novell SUSE Enterprise Linux Desktop 10 SP1 (DVD) via the
DVD.  But attempting to do this with 6.x (I have tried 6.2R and
6.3-PRE disk #1) causes a hang during boot.  The loader gets
as far as showing the vertical bar that ordinarily spins
to show intitial kernel loading progress and the the machine
just sits there.  There is some further activity on the optical
drive at this point and then the cursor sort of jumps around a bit.

I've not yet tried swapping the optical drive out - though I doubt
this is the problem since I can load the other OSs.  I've tried
removing and moving memory sticks in case this is a flakey
memory problem - no change.  I've tried removing the only
two cards in the machine: 3COM 905C-TX and an Adaptec 2940UW -
no change.

I have one last ditch thing I will try later tonight which is
to force the DVD IDE port into PIO mode and out of DMA mode.
But that's it.  I am stumped.  Ideas anyone?



If it is not hardware, check your bios settings (and mayhap
set back to default or very conservative) (of which the PIO
trick may work).


Well ... no amount of BIOS fiddling fixes this problem.



Also, 7.0 ran extremely well for me back in Sept., you might
try it as an alternative.



I downloaded 7.0-BETA4 and burned the CD - This exhibits the
exact same boot time behavior as the earlier 6.x releases.

In summary:

1) I can boot 4.x or Linux install CDs.   I cannot boot 6.x or 7.x
   install CD - system hangs at the beginning of loading the kernel
   and the video cursor starts jumping around - presumably because
   the program has lost its way.  (I am assuming that the program
   having trouble is the loader itself, since the kernel is not yet
   loaded at this point.)

2) Changing optical drives made no difference.

3) Reordering/removing memory sticks made no difference.  I am running
   a memory test ATM just to be sure, but so far, the memory seems fine.

4) No amount of poking around in the BIOS settings seems to help either.

I am starting to suspect the MOBO.  If I stick a couple of cards in the
two available PCI slots, the system has trouble taking me into the BIOS
screen.  I have to remove the cards to reliably get into the BIOS
settings menu.  I wonder if this is one of those situations where there
are not enough IRQs to go around.

I remain confused ...

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RE: CDROM Boot Hangs But Only Under 6.x

2007-12-25 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tim Daneliuk
 Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 10:53 PM
 To: FreeBSD Mailing List
 Subject: Re: CDROM Boot Hangs But Only Under 6.x
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 25/12/2007, Tim Daneliuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I am building a new server out of both older and brand new
  components.  It is based on a Pentium D 925 and ABIT LG-95Z
  mobo.  The DVD-RW is a Lite-On about a year old with very
  low hours on it.
 
  So ... here's a fun one:  I can boot and install FreeBSD 4.x (CD)
  or Novell SUSE Enterprise Linux Desktop 10 SP1 (DVD) via the
  DVD.  But attempting to do this with 6.x (I have tried 6.2R and
  6.3-PRE disk #1) causes a hang during boot.  The loader gets
  as far as showing the vertical bar that ordinarily spins
  to show intitial kernel loading progress and the the machine
  just sits there.  There is some further activity on the optical
  drive at this point and then the cursor sort of jumps around a bit.
 
  I've not yet tried swapping the optical drive out - though I doubt
  this is the problem since I can load the other OSs.  I've tried
  removing and moving memory sticks in case this is a flakey
  memory problem - no change.  I've tried removing the only
  two cards in the machine: 3COM 905C-TX and an Adaptec 2940UW -
  no change.
 
  I have one last ditch thing I will try later tonight which is
  to force the DVD IDE port into PIO mode and out of DMA mode.
  But that's it.  I am stumped.  Ideas anyone?
 
  
  If it is not hardware, check your bios settings (and mayhap
  set back to default or very conservative) (of which the PIO
  trick may work).
 
 Well ... no amount of BIOS fiddling fixes this problem.
 
  
  Also, 7.0 ran extremely well for me back in Sept., you might
  try it as an alternative.
  
 
 I downloaded 7.0-BETA4 and burned the CD - This exhibits the
 exact same boot time behavior as the earlier 6.x releases.
 
 In summary:
 
 1) I can boot 4.x or Linux install CDs.   I cannot boot 6.x or 7.x
 install CD - system hangs at the beginning of loading the kernel
 and the video cursor starts jumping around - presumably because
 the program has lost its way.  (I am assuming that the program
 having trouble is the loader itself, since the kernel is not yet
 loaded at this point.)
 
 2) Changing optical drives made no difference.
 

The boot was changed from 4.x to the later series.  I think it was
changed from floppy emulation boot to cd boot or some such
nonsense.  You can get more info by reading up in the handbook
where it talks about how to create a distribution CD.  One of the
options on the cdburn controls this.

If your MB is new it should work.  Older MB's have problems with
the new way to boot off an optical cd.  You can try BIOS/CMOS
updates from the motherbard mfg if they are available.  Sometimes
even back-flashing to older BIOS fixes it.

 3) Reordering/removing memory sticks made no difference.  I am running
 a memory test ATM just to be sure, but so far, the memory seems fine.
 
 4) No amount of poking around in the BIOS settings seems to help either.
 
 I am starting to suspect the MOBO.  If I stick a couple of cards in the
 two available PCI slots, the system has trouble taking me into the BIOS
 screen.  I have to remove the cards to reliably get into the BIOS
 settings menu.  I wonder if this is one of those situations where there
 are not enough IRQs to go around.
 

If it's a new MB the PCI cards are probably too old/slow to work right.

Another thing to check is if the MB has any overclock settings turned
on, these will screw up booting, going into BIOS, and some PCI cards.
Go to BIOS and select reset to factory settings which turns off all
the go-fast stuff.  And make sure you confirm the CPU speed in BIOS
with the actual speed stamped on the CPU.

Sometimes you just got to stick a floppy disk drive on the thing and
boot from the 4 boot floppies then do an FTP install.  I have about
a dozen servers among the collection I manage that are like this - 
some are even newer ones.

Ted
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Re: CDROM Boot Hangs But Only Under 6.x

2007-12-25 Thread Tim Daneliuk

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
SNIP




If your MB is new it should work.  Older MB's have problems with
the new way to boot off an optical cd.  You can try BIOS/CMOS
updates from the motherbard mfg if they are available.  Sometimes
even back-flashing to older BIOS fixes it.


This is a brand new ABIT mobo w/latest bios on board.




3) Reordering/removing memory sticks made no difference.  I am running
a memory test ATM just to be sure, but so far, the memory seems fine.

4) No amount of poking around in the BIOS settings seems to help either.

I am starting to suspect the MOBO.  If I stick a couple of cards in the
two available PCI slots, the system has trouble taking me into the BIOS
screen.  I have to remove the cards to reliably get into the BIOS
settings menu.  I wonder if this is one of those situations where there
are not enough IRQs to go around.



If it's a new MB the PCI cards are probably too old/slow to work right.


I thought that even modern PCI busses would fall back to the old
speeds.  I've had not trouble with any of my other rather new
mobos, running, say, old Adaptec controllers.



Another thing to check is if the MB has any overclock settings turned
on, these will screw up booting, going into BIOS, and some PCI cards.
Go to BIOS and select reset to factory settings which turns off all
the go-fast stuff.  And make sure you confirm the CPU speed in BIOS
with the actual speed stamped on the CPU.


I've reset the BIOS to the most conservative mode, no overclocking, etc.



Sometimes you just got to stick a floppy disk drive on the thing and
boot from the 4 boot floppies then do an FTP install.  I have about
a dozen servers among the collection I manage that are like this - 
some are even newer ones.


I would *love* to know just where boot is getting lost.  In the case
of your servers, do you see the same symptoms I am seeing: The
kernel loading progress prompt gets painted (most of the time,
sometimes it does not even make it that far) and the booting
seizes up?

Thanks for your time,

Tim Daneliuk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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