Re: FreeBSD 4-10 install, RAM parity errors that don't seem to happen inLinux.

2004-06-14 Thread Derrick MacPherson
On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 11:19, Charles Swiger wrote:
> On Jun 14, 2004, at 1:38 PM, Derrick MacPherson wrote:
> > Derrick MacPherson  mainframe.ca> writes:
> >> I am trying to move as much of our servers as I can to FreeBSD, and
> >> there's a few boxes that they have here that the RAM is a about 2 mm
> >> high and requires the case (1U machines) to press on the RAM when
> >> closed. These machines run RH Linux for months without a problem, yet 
> >> 3
> >> out of 4 I just pulled are giving RAM parity problems during FreeBSD
> >> instalation.
> >>
> >> Does FreeBSD not allow/recover from those types of errors the same way
> >> Linux does? Any solutions?
> >
> > I posted this last week and hadn't seen a repsonse to it, is there 
> > someone that
> > cares to take a poke at this?
> 
> Well, if you are using ECC, normally they will correct all single-bit 
> errors and notice but not correct larger multibit errors.  This is done 
> at a fairly low level in the hardware (which is why the BIOS typically 
> controls the use of ECC), and is not something that is supposed to vary 
> depending on which OS you are using.
> 
> That being said, Linux and FreeBSD might be using different portions of 
> memory which hit different RAM chips, and so you see the errors for one 
> and not the other, but if you've got failing RAM, your systems are not 
> going to be stable under heavy load regardless of what OS you use.  I 
> would expect you to see signs of problems under Linux, too, but 
> consider running memtest86 for a day or so and see what you see:
> 
> http://www.memtest86.com/

Thanks Chuck I will look into running those tests. The machines have had
heavy loads for a couple years now, they have served as rendering
machines for our animators. They are now being put to pasture, and I was
hoping to run FreeBSD, :), and not Linux, :(

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Re: FreeBSD 4-10 install, RAM parity errors that don't seem to happen inLinux.

2004-06-14 Thread Charles Swiger
On Jun 14, 2004, at 1:38 PM, Derrick MacPherson wrote:
Derrick MacPherson  mainframe.ca> writes:
I am trying to move as much of our servers as I can to FreeBSD, and
there's a few boxes that they have here that the RAM is a about 2 mm
high and requires the case (1U machines) to press on the RAM when
closed. These machines run RH Linux for months without a problem, yet 
3
out of 4 I just pulled are giving RAM parity problems during FreeBSD
instalation.

Does FreeBSD not allow/recover from those types of errors the same way
Linux does? Any solutions?
I posted this last week and hadn't seen a repsonse to it, is there 
someone that
cares to take a poke at this?
Well, if you are using ECC, normally they will correct all single-bit 
errors and notice but not correct larger multibit errors.  This is done 
at a fairly low level in the hardware (which is why the BIOS typically 
controls the use of ECC), and is not something that is supposed to vary 
depending on which OS you are using.

That being said, Linux and FreeBSD might be using different portions of 
memory which hit different RAM chips, and so you see the errors for one 
and not the other, but if you've got failing RAM, your systems are not 
going to be stable under heavy load regardless of what OS you use.  I 
would expect you to see signs of problems under Linux, too, but 
consider running memtest86 for a day or so and see what you see:

http://www.memtest86.com/
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-Chuck
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Re: FreeBSD 4-10 install, RAM parity errors that don't seem to happen inLinux.

2004-06-14 Thread Derrick MacPherson
Derrick MacPherson  mainframe.ca> writes:

> 
> I am trying to move as much of our servers as I can to FreeBSD, and
> there's a few boxes that they have here that the RAM is a about 2 mm
> high and requires the case (1U machines) to press on the RAM when
> closed. These machines run RH Linux for months without a problem, yet 3
> out of 4 I just pulled are giving RAM parity problems during FreeBSD
> instalation. 
> 
> Does FreeBSD not allow/recover from those types of errors the same way
> Linux does? Any solutions?
> 

I posted this last week and hadn't seen a repsonse to it, is there someone that
cares to take a poke at this? Just wondering if there's some form of memory
checking that's going on that Linux would not have, or not have turned on by
default. This is failry important as I would MUCH rther be running FreeBSD 4.10
than RedHat 9.

Derrick

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