RE: Fwd: Serious breach of copyright -- First post
David, I am a published author many times over with more commercial copyrights on material than I believe you will ever have, and I know much of copyright law, as any author does. I am requesting that you kindly blow this out your ass. In any infringement case it is the responsibility of the copyright holder to take infringement action against the infringer. It is not your responsibility as wannabe gadfly to attempt to insert yourself into this. This is between the author - which you have identified as Brett - and the infringer - which you have identified as houfug.org. Not yourself - unless you are indentifying yourself as copyright holder or infringer. As the other poster said this has nothing to do with the list and you need to drop it. I am sure Brett is thankful that you have identified an infringement against his copyright. Once you have done so it is time for you to step aside and let Brett decide what he wants to do about it. If Brett does not take the kind of action against the infringer that you wish, and the infringer does not respond in a fashion you wish, then that is too bad and you may kindly butt out. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Hoffman Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 6:21 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Serious breach of copyright -- First post -- Forwarded message -- From: David Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jun 18, 2006 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Serious breach of copyright -- First post To: Dennis Olvany [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED], thisdayislong [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 6/18/06, Dennis Olvany [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a look at http://www.houfug.org/help/install_freebsd.htm and I am afraid that you will find this article is not eligible for copyright. It constitutes neither an artistic nor literary work. The article conveys only facts and facts are not eligible for copyright. I'm afraid you're incorrect. The work in question is indeed copyrightable under the Berne Convention, which many countries have ratified, including the United States, where the content is hosted. The United States, as well as many other countries, also have national laws which allow this work to be copyrighted. It's also important to note that HouFUG clearly believes the work can be copyrighted, since they have included a copyright notice on the page. This implies tremendous bad faith: regardless of whether or not the article is copyrightable (it is), they have removed any reference to the true owner and have claimed it as their own. This is not acceptable behaviour. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 6/19/2006 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: Serious breach of copyright -- First post
Dennis Olvany [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had a look at http://www.houfug.org/help/install_freebsd.htm and I am afraid that you will find this article is not eligible for copyright. It constitutes neither an artistic nor literary work. The article conveys only facts and facts are not eligible for copyright. You're on to something, but you didn't quite get it right. Copyright law does not care about artistic or literary qualities; and while plain facts are not copyrightable, as you point out, their expression certainly is. A Haynes workshop manual, for instance, is neither art nor literature, and it is full of facts, but it is definitely copyrightable. I can put up a web page describing how to change the starter motor on my brother's Citroën CX (bitch of a job, I'll have you know), but I have to use my own words and photos, not those from my brother's Haynes manual. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Serious breach of copyright -- First post
-- Forwarded message -- From: David Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jun 18, 2006 8:38 PM Subject: Re: Serious breach of copyright -- First post To: Brett [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think a formal apology should be issued by the infringers. Hasn't this gone on long enough? On 6/18/06, Brett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have not received a response in regards to this article, and it still does not hold the proper references. I have posted a DMCA takedown notice, which is available for viewing at http://arbornet.org/~soup/dmca.htmlhttp://arbornet.org/%7Esoup/dmca.html. I urge the webmaster of the infringing site to add the copyright references as soon as possible. Thank you. Bonjour à tous, Je n'ai pas encore reçu de réponse au sujet de cet article, qui ne porte pas ses réferences éxigées. J'ai affiché un DMCA takedown notice (en anglais seulement) sur mon site, que l'on peut voir au http://arbornet.org/~soup/dmca.htmlhttp://arbornet.org/%7Esoup/dmca.html. Je demande cordialement au webmaître du site non-autorisé d'ajouter les références éxigées dans les plus brefs délais. Merci. On 6/18/06, David Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears the page at http://www.houfug.org/help/install_freebsd.htm constitutes a serious breach of copyright. The article, which was originally written and posted to the Internet by the owner of the account [EMAIL PROTECTED], is falsely attributed to the Houston FUG, whose members maliciously removed all reference to its original creator. On a related note, the FUG seems to be part of an organized group to convince all States to adopt English as an official language, a bigoted and misguided policy. Plagiarism should not be tolerated. Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: Serious breach of copyright -- First post
David Hoffman wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: David Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jun 18, 2006 8:38 PM Subject: Re: Serious breach of copyright -- First post To: Brett [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think a formal apology should be issued by the infringers. Hasn't this gone on long enough? On 6/18/06, Brett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have not received a response in regards to this article, and it still does not hold the proper references. I have posted a DMCA takedown notice, which is available for viewing at http://arbornet.org/~soup/dmca.htmlhttp://arbornet.org/%7Esoup/dmca.html. I urge the webmaster of the infringing site to add the copyright references as soon as possible. Thank you. Bonjour à tous, Je n'ai pas encore reçu de réponse au sujet de cet article, qui ne porte pas ses réferences éxigées. J'ai affiché un DMCA takedown notice (en anglais seulement) sur mon site, que l'on peut voir au http://arbornet.org/~soup/dmca.htmlhttp://arbornet.org/%7Esoup/dmca.html. Je demande cordialement au webmaître du site non-autorisé d'ajouter les références éxigées dans les plus brefs délais. Merci. On 6/18/06, David Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears the page at http://www.houfug.org/help/install_freebsd.htm constitutes a serious breach of copyright. The article, which was originally written and posted to the Internet by the owner of the account [EMAIL PROTECTED], is falsely attributed to the Houston FUG, whose members maliciously removed all reference to its original creator. On a related note, the FUG seems to be part of an organized group to convince all States to adopt English as an official language, a bigoted and misguided policy. Plagiarism should not be tolerated. Thanks. ___ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry if im being naive, but what does this have to do with the official FreeBSD project? and even more so, these lists? Ta, Joe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Fwd: Fwd: Serious breach of copyright -- First post
-- Forwarded message -- From: David Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jun 18, 2006 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Serious breach of copyright -- First post To: Dennis Olvany [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED], thisdayislong [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 6/18/06, Dennis Olvany [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a look at http://www.houfug.org/help/install_freebsd.htm and I am afraid that you will find this article is not eligible for copyright. It constitutes neither an artistic nor literary work. The article conveys only facts and facts are not eligible for copyright. I'm afraid you're incorrect. The work in question is indeed copyrightable under the Berne Convention, which many countries have ratified, including the United States, where the content is hosted. The United States, as well as many other countries, also have national laws which allow this work to be copyrighted. It's also important to note that HouFUG clearly believes the work can be copyrighted, since they have included a copyright notice on the page. This implies tremendous bad faith: regardless of whether or not the article is copyrightable (it is), they have removed any reference to the true owner and have claimed it as their own. This is not acceptable behaviour. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: Fwd: Serious breach of copyright -- First post
...facts are not eligible for copyright. I'm afraid you're incorrect. The work in question is indeed copyrightable under the Berne Convention, which many countries have ratified, including the United States, where the content is hosted. The United States, as well as many other countries, also have national laws which allow this work to be copyrighted. At best, the article may be considered a derivative work of the described software/hardware and therefore the intellectual property of the respective manufacturers. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
