Re: Is your Thunderbird OK?
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:00:10 +0900 Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: If you can live without the pretty pictures, you can configure Mutt to use an external browser like lynx or links to display HTML. Otherwise, you could give Claws a closer look. ^ After I read your replying mail, I investigated the Claws. I am considering for moving from this Evolution to the Claws. Evolution is quite a bit more than Claws, as it is supposed to be a clone of Outlook (IIRC). But Cleaws is pretty sexy, because is small and quite fast. But still Thunderbird will remain as the best MUA to me. Not to me. Thunderbird is also a newsclient and in that capacity there are several things missing. If you've ever used something like slrn, you'll miss the scorefile like hell. Thunderbird also has one of the main weaknesses of any GUI program: It's slow. If you get up to 60 eMails each day which you not only have to read but also answer, you'll be happy to have a mail- and news-client that lets you keep your handy on the keyboard instead of making one had jump between the keyboard and the mouse all the time. Since I moved to Unix (it was Linux back then), I have always used textbased mail- and news-clients. I started off with elm and tin. Unlike many others, I didn't really have a problem moving on to Mutt. Today I prefer slrn over tin, but at university I still use tin. Both are fast and easy to use. I just like the split screen while reading, because then I can see the thread as well as the current article at the same time. Thank you so much! No problem. Always here to help. :-) Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is your Thunderbird OK?
On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 17:47 +0200, Christian Baer wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:41:53 +0900 Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: Yeah I also like text based MUAs such as mutt or pine. Sometimes I get HTML messages from my co-workers who use webmail. I must read those HTML messages for my work, study. That's why I need windows-like MUAs, not text based MUAs. Is there any other best MUA? I _really_ feel thirsty for best MUA.. anytime.. If you can live without the pretty pictures, you can configure Mutt to use an external browser like lynx or links to display HTML. Otherwise, you could give Claws a closer look. ^ After I read your replying mail, I investigated the Claws. I am considering for moving from this Evolution to the Claws. But still Thunderbird will remain as the best MUA to me. Thank you so much! Byung-Hee ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is your Thunderbird OK?
On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 17:47 +0200, Christian Baer wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:41:53 +0900 Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: Yeah I also like text based MUAs such as mutt or pine. Sometimes I get HTML messages from my co-workers who use webmail. I must read those HTML messages for my work, study. That's why I need windows-like MUAs, not text based MUAs. Is there any other best MUA? I _really_ feel thirsty for best MUA.. anytime.. If you can live without the pretty pictures, you can configure Mutt to use an external browser like lynx or links to display HTML. Otherwise, you could give Claws a closer look. ^ After I read your replying mail, I investigated the Claws. I am considering for moving from this Evolution to the Claws. But still Thunderbird will remain as the best MUA to me. Thank you so much! Byung-Hee ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is your Thunderbird OK?
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 14:34 +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Just been wondering about this for long weeks. I have some complain Thudnerbird's the speed when it start up on FreeBSD. Its speed is very slow. While thunderbird start up, I go to brew coffee. Aside from that, Thunderbird is the best MUA, indeed. i use pine. others use mutt, elm etc. no need to use windows like thing Yeah I also like text based MUAs such as mutt or pine. Sometimes I get HTML messages from my co-workers who use webmail. I must read those HTML messages for my work, study. That's why I need windows-like MUAs, not text based MUAs. Is there any other best MUA? I _really_ feel thirsty for best MUA.. anytime.. Byung-Hee ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is your Thunderbird OK?
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:41:53 +0900 Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: Yeah I also like text based MUAs such as mutt or pine. Sometimes I get HTML messages from my co-workers who use webmail. I must read those HTML messages for my work, study. That's why I need windows-like MUAs, not text based MUAs. Is there any other best MUA? I _really_ feel thirsty for best MUA.. anytime.. If you can live without the pretty pictures, you can configure Mutt to use an external browser like lynx or links to display HTML. Otherwise, you could give Claws a closer look. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is your Thunderbird OK?
Hi there, Just been wondering about this for long weeks. I have some complain Thudnerbird's the speed when it start up on FreeBSD. Its speed is very slow. While thunderbird start up, I go to brew coffee. Aside from that, Thunderbird is the best MUA, indeed. FYI, this is my information: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ uname -v FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p7 #1: Wed Aug 22 08:47:36 KST 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ pkg_info | grep thunderbird thunderbird-1.5.0.7_1 Mozilla Thunderbird is standalone mail [...] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ I _really_ want to share opinions about this topic (Thunderbird's start up speed) with you FreeBSD users. What do you think of? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is your Thunderbird OK?
Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: I _really_ want to share opinions about this topic (Thunderbird's start up speed) with you FreeBSD users. What do you think of? I use Thunderbird on my FreeBSD box without issue. FYI, 2.0.0.6 is the latest, and I have no issue with its load times. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is your Thunderbird OK?
Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: Just been wondering about this for long weeks. I have some complain Thudnerbird's the speed when it start up on FreeBSD. Its speed is very slow. While thunderbird start up, I go to brew coffee. Aside from that, Thunderbird is the best MUA, indeed. FYI, this is my information: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ uname -v FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p7 #1: Wed Aug 22 08:47:36 KST 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ pkg_info | grep thunderbird thunderbird-1.5.0.7_1 Mozilla Thunderbird is standalone mail [...] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ I _really_ want to share opinions about this topic (Thunderbird's start up speed) with you FreeBSD users. What do you think of? Does the problem occur only at startup? What's the size of Thunderbird's image in memory? I'd read somewhere that to speed up things, Thunderbird keeps emails in memory; however I'm not sure if it applies to 1.5.0. Bahman ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is your Thunderbird OK?
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 11:41 +0330, Bahman M. wrote: Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: Just been wondering about this for long weeks. I have some complain Thudnerbird's the speed when it start up on FreeBSD. Its speed is very slow. While thunderbird start up, I go to brew coffee. Aside from that, Thunderbird is the best MUA, indeed. FYI, this is my information: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ uname -v FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p7 #1: Wed Aug 22 08:47:36 KST 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ pkg_info | grep thunderbird thunderbird-1.5.0.7_1 Mozilla Thunderbird is standalone mail [...] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ I _really_ want to share opinions about this topic (Thunderbird's start up speed) with you FreeBSD users. What do you think of? Does the problem occur only at startup? What's the size of Thunderbird's image in memory? I'd read somewhere that to speed up things, Thunderbird keeps emails in memory; however I'm not sure if it applies to 1.5.0. I just use default setting, so I don't know my Thunderbird's memory in detail. However, I took a top(1)'s screenshot while thunderbird is active. Here is the screenshot: http://izb.knu.ac.kr/~bh/stuff/20070924-tb-ss.png [image/png 223k] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is your Thunderbird OK?
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:19:49 +0900 Byung-Hee HWANG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, Just been wondering about this for long weeks. I have some complain Thudnerbird's the speed when it start up on FreeBSD. Its speed is very slow. While thunderbird start up, I go to brew coffee. Aside from that, Thunderbird is the best MUA, indeed. Thunderbird runs just fine here, but I've switched to claws-mail a while ago because I'm running on very slow hardware (500 MHz VIA C3/Eden), where Thunderbird really crawls at a snail's pace (Firefox too, of course). Yet even then, it doesn't take proportionally very long to start up. Thunderbird (and Firefox) are just big resource hogs, that's all. If you experience VERY long start up times, you have another problem. I once had startup issues on a diskless setup, and it turned out to be a weird problem involving gconf2, threading and lockd. It went away after I disabled NFS again and used real disk storage. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is your Thunderbird OK?
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 07:24:34PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 11:41 +0330, Bahman M. wrote: Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: Just been wondering about this for long weeks. I have some complain Thudnerbird's the speed when it start up on FreeBSD. Its speed is very slow. While thunderbird start up, I go to brew coffee. Aside from that, Thunderbird is the best MUA, indeed. FYI, this is my information: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ uname -v FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p7 #1: Wed Aug 22 08:47:36 KST 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ pkg_info | grep thunderbird thunderbird-1.5.0.7_1 Mozilla Thunderbird is standalone mail [...] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ I _really_ want to share opinions about this topic (Thunderbird's start up speed) with you FreeBSD users. What do you think of? Does the problem occur only at startup? What's the size of Thunderbird's image in memory? I'd read somewhere that to speed up things, Thunderbird keeps emails in memory; however I'm not sure if it applies to 1.5.0. I just use default setting, so I don't know my Thunderbird's memory in detail. However, I took a top(1)'s screenshot while thunderbird is active. Here is the screenshot: http://izb.knu.ac.kr/~bh/stuff/20070924-tb-ss.png [image/png 223k] Your machine needs more memory. Thunderbird will be hitting swap on start up, which is why it's slow. If you can't add more memory for some reason, then you'll have to run lighter weight programs. Even just doubling your memory to 512MB would be an improvement but I'd recommend 1GB. I have 3GB and my machine never hits swap. -- Frank Contact info: http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is your Thunderbird OK?
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 12:45 +0100, Frank Shute wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 07:24:34PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 11:41 +0330, Bahman M. wrote: Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: Just been wondering about this for long weeks. I have some complain Thudnerbird's the speed when it start up on FreeBSD. Its speed is very slow. While thunderbird start up, I go to brew coffee. Aside from that, Thunderbird is the best MUA, indeed. FYI, this is my information: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ uname -v FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p7 #1: Wed Aug 22 08:47:36 KST 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ pkg_info | grep thunderbird thunderbird-1.5.0.7_1 Mozilla Thunderbird is standalone mail [...] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ I _really_ want to share opinions about this topic (Thunderbird's start up speed) with you FreeBSD users. What do you think of? Does the problem occur only at startup? What's the size of Thunderbird's image in memory? I'd read somewhere that to speed up things, Thunderbird keeps emails in memory; however I'm not sure if it applies to 1.5.0. I just use default setting, so I don't know my Thunderbird's memory in detail. However, I took a top(1)'s screenshot while thunderbird is active. Here is the screenshot: http://izb.knu.ac.kr/~bh/stuff/20070924-tb-ss.png [image/png 223k] Your machine needs more memory. Thunderbird will be hitting swap on start up, which is why it's slow. If you can't add more memory for some reason, then you'll have to run lighter weight programs. Even just doubling your memory to 512MB would be an improvement but I'd recommend 1GB. I have 3GB and my machine never hits swap. I agree, thanks a lot! Byung-Hee ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is your Thunderbird OK?
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 13:44 +0200, cpghost wrote: On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:19:49 +0900 Byung-Hee HWANG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, Just been wondering about this for long weeks. I have some complain Thudnerbird's the speed when it start up on FreeBSD. Its speed is very slow. While thunderbird start up, I go to brew coffee. Aside from that, Thunderbird is the best MUA, indeed. Thunderbird runs just fine here, but I've switched to claws-mail a while ago because I'm running on very slow hardware (500 MHz VIA C3/Eden), where Thunderbird really crawls at a snail's pace (Firefox too, of course). Yet even then, it doesn't take proportionally very long to start up. Thunderbird (and Firefox) are just big resource hogs, that's all. If you experience VERY long start up times, you have another problem. I once had startup issues on a diskless setup, and it turned out to be a weird problem involving gconf2, threading and lockd. It went away after I disabled NFS again and used real disk storage. Well, I cannot understand your advice because I'm newbie about Unix-like system. Actually I want to use the claws-mail someday. Thanks anyway! Byung-Hee ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is your Thunderbird OK?
Just been wondering about this for long weeks. I have some complain Thudnerbird's the speed when it start up on FreeBSD. Its speed is very slow. While thunderbird start up, I go to brew coffee. Aside from that, Thunderbird is the best MUA, indeed. i use pine. others use mutt, elm etc. no need to use windows like thing ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is your Thunderbird OK?
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 01:02 -0700, Jay Chandler wrote: Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: I _really_ want to share opinions about this topic (Thunderbird's start up speed) with you FreeBSD users. What do you think of? I use Thunderbird on my FreeBSD box without issue. FYI, 2.0.0.6 is the latest, and I have no issue with its load times. For some reason, I could not upgrade to 2.x version. If 6.3-RELEASE or 7.0-RELEASE release in the future, then I'll use 2.x version. Thanks, Byung-Hee ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is your Thunderbird OK?
On Monday 24 September 2007 07:19:49 Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: Hi there, Just been wondering about this for long weeks. I have some complain Thudnerbird's the speed when it start up on FreeBSD. Its speed is very slow. While thunderbird start up, I go to brew coffee. Aside from that, Thunderbird is the best MUA, indeed. I have not noticed this speed issue with Thunderbird. I use kmail for the most part but now and then some mail is not visible in kmail and appears to be just headers with no message body, and in those cases I use Thunderbird to read those emails that I can't see in kmail. Thunderbird comes up as fast as kmail does. The only problem that I do have with Thunderbird is that it sometimes says that I have the maximum number of connections (I use IMAP) open. kmail never says that. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
